JadedSkywalker

Well Lucas said for decades that Luke and Leia were always meant to be twins and Vader was always intended to be Luke Skywalker’s father. Is that lying or mythologizing, it’s hard to say. He might have said it so often and so many times since Return of the Jedi wrapped production that he actually believes it.

Its a big turn from not caring about Vader in the Splinter of the Mind’s Eye story conference, to after The Empire Strikes Back rejiggering the entire Saga to be about his downfall and redemption, instead of Star Wars from the Adventures of Luke Skywalker.

I do know Lucas originally thought of Leia ending up with Luke, Luke is more devoted to her he said in the making of Star Wars, and he also said let her run off with the Wookiee at one point. In the Splinter conference. Does that sound like he thought Leia was of cosmic importance or Anakin’s daughter. Or how about wanting to kill Vader off.

The idea that he had all 6 episodes planned out from one big script is laughable.

Even the prequels as we have them have many discontinuities and retcons form the original films. and plot holes. And are not at all the prequels he was going to make or envisioned in the 1980s.

Reading that he saw Yoda as spiritual guru and Yoga master does not scream Lucas wanted a cartoon Yoda jumping around with a lightsaber. I do accept the view now Of his being ashamed of having been in and leading the Clone Wars. And why he thinks wars not make one great. Its the only way I can forgive those awful scenes in the prequels, if I make up a headcanon. Like I like the idea of Palpatine using a lightsaber as mockery of the Jedi religion and their traditions, but I also doubt Lucas ever intended him to have one at all.

Leia remembering her mom and her dying right after Leia was born makes no sense. Her mom should have survived into her early childhood on Alderaan. And where was the great starpilot or good friend, Anakin was none of those things in the prequel. He wasn’t a cunning warrior. The dude lost every lightsaber fight he ever was in, except the one where he murdered Dooku. Oh, I get people will say the Clone Wars cartoon the Filoni one, filled in some of these things. But you shouldn’t need outside media.

The Padme dying of a broken heart giving birth to the twins, as suited Vader is born on an operating table is powerful, but it broke the OT canon of Leia remembering her mom as a child. I only sort of can forgive it because it creates a poetic scene and has visual symmetry, but Lucas should have adhered to the OT. Like Vader creating Threepio may be interesting because he becomes more machine than man, but that was not originally Threepio’s backstory.

I do like the idea of Anakin being the author of his own pain and the iron mask of Vader being his prison or punishment, because he had a vision of the future and by trying to change Padme’s fate he ensured it. I like the idea of Palpatine being this very evil character, Anakin makes a devil’s bargain. I think the scene in the Opera house is fantastic. It might be the only mention of Midichlorians I don’t really mind, since Sidious could have been lying.

I do wonder if George’s sequels would have been better simply for acknowledging the prequels exist, and therefore a coherent work if you will. A prequel 2.0. Since he had no desire to redo the original trilogy. And Disney’s trilogy was rebels VS empire again. I’m not sure if I wanted to see Hayden as Anakin’s ghost, If that concept was a part of Lucas sequel. On one hand I think Hayden and Mark having a scene together would be cool. On the other hand Luke only knows Sebastian Shaw Anakin. So, I can see why Rian chose to use Yoda.

For me it would be the prequel doctrine on attachment I disagree with. Because Jedi had families and children in Star Wars lore before the prequels. Just like how the chosen one thing was made up and so was midichlorians.

To get the Jedi celibacy thing you have to go all the way back to discarded script drafts for the original film, the son of the suns prophecy for the chosen one thing. Midichlorians came from nowhere.

You hit the nail on the head the Fox acquisition in 2019 meant Disney owned the original 1977 film.

As to whether Lucas had a legal clause I thought he would do so to spite the fans. But there was never any evidence.

I thought they were going to do a Grey Jedi thing where she embraced the light and the dark. Just from watching The Last Jedi. But that is not what Lucas meant by balance of the force. It wasn’t Yin and Yang equal light and equal darkness, except maybe in Filoni’s mortis.

Balance meant Anakin killing Sidious. and ending the Sith menace. With his and his master’s death. Balance restored would be Luke restoring the Jedi, and Leia restoring the Republic as Chancellor.

I don’t see how it even would work out in George’s idea. Maul being the new Big bad that means the Sith and Empire threat remains. Maul ruling with Talon by his side the Imperial Remnant or criminal underworld whatever it was. Means the rule of two endured.

We don’t have any idea what Disney did with the negative or At least I don’t. I do know it was conformed to the 1997 edit. This news of new photochemical restoration. Did they revert the negative to its original state?

I guess I should not even ask the only people who would know is this mysterious Ali group.

The Casey Hudson whose new studio died to lack of funding and his game that was supposed to be everything we wanted from mass effect andromeda dead as well. Human origin is dead. And you aren’t wrong the end of Mass Effect 3 was a disaster. But he is lucky he isn’t associated with whatever BioWare became after he left. They’ve had a decade of failure. Dragon Age inquisition was their last hit. mass Effect Andromeda was a disaster, Anthem was an MMO dead on arrival. And the last nail in the coffin was Dragon Age the Veilgard. I would never trust them on a Mass Effect 4 specially after who recently purchased EA. Kotor and Mass Effect will remain a memory I cherish and Mass Effect Legendary edition was fantastic. Why didn’t they just remaster Kotor.

As for this studio making a new knights of the old republic game I have no idea about that, considering I hate MMO and never was a fan of anything but the first two Kotor games and never liked the old republic. I like single player story based games. I would have loved to have gotten Kotor 3.

I don’t think Star Wars story ran its course unless it’s just the Saga of Darth Vader 1-6. We never got Luke’s story post episode VI on film. I mean I guess you could claim the Saga was complete with Return of the Jedi. from a certain point of view. The Disney trilogy is the end of his journey, and it was only beginning in episode 6.

Star Trek by its episodic nature could go on forever. You can never have enough Kirk and Spock and The USS Enterprise.

And as for Marvel I’ve waited forever for an X-men film. All I wanted out of Marvel was a good X-Men film, and maybe a Fantastic four and then I was fine with being done with it. I’m not a fan of Disney Marvel I’m a fan of the comics.

The only other thing would have been a Raimi Spider-Man 4 with Tobey that was not a realistic thing to want. Sony and Marvel’s partnership and all that being what it is. I don’t at all care for the new Spider-Man movies except for that last one. But the nostalgia and multiverse stuff is getting stale.

Star Trek post Kurtzman is going to be a hard road for whoever takes the reigns. They can continue to do reboots and nostalgia and prequels or they can do something new, move the timeline beyond Picard season 3 and do a show in the 25th century.

Same for Disney Star Wars they have to move beyond the sequel trilogy timeline. They have to own The character of Rey Skywalker and the future of their own intellectual property.

Rob Reiner. It is a horrible way to go. And shocking. And still being investigated as homicide.

I still don’t get this iteration its way different than the Supergirl I know. I don’t remember her standing around in a trenchcoat. Its radically different than classic Supergirl.

Well I guess they have to try something; they can’t exactly do what the tv show did or the Helen Slater film did.

The tone sells it as Guardians of the Galaxy meets Captain Marvel. Let’s see what happens.

I’d likely rebuy Phantom Menace in 4K if it was the theatrical cut without the extreme DNR. The other two films I will never likely buy again. And Disney isn’t going to revert Phantom Menace. We aren’t getting creepy Puppet Yoda and the shorter edit of the film.

Fanedits that restore deleted scenes Is well a fanedit. I wouldn’t mind extended cuts of the prequels but then I would likely watch them only once.

oojason said:

JadedSkywalker said:

George wasn’t going to make sequels he was going to make Star Wars underworld and that never got made.

Disney’s priority was to make a commercial for a theme park. And to sell toys. Other ancillary merchandise. Storytelling was never as important as corporate planning was. They have shareholder calls and meetings, corporate boards and governance. Quarterly quotas.

Yeah, for me his ideas for Underworld sure seem a lot more intriguing than what we’ve learnt of his Sequel Trilogy outlines. 👍

A pity we never got to see that - especially given the writing talents assorted for the series (though some aspects of it have been rejigged for stories in other SW series since?).
 

Some of his sequel ideas have also been repurposed. If Mando and Grogu holds to be true they will be facing warlords running the remnants of the Empire. And Dave Filoni is using George’s ideas in Darth Maul Shadow lord with Darth Talon.

Wasn’t Luke as a colonel Kurtz like character allegedly in George’s treatment. That sort of ended up in the Last Jedi if not in the way George would have handled it. The astral projection/ Luke is a legend stuff. and not a straightforward redemption arc. That does not sound like George at all. I also don’t picture Lucas making the prequel Jedi failures and Luke’s meta narrative. Chuck the lightsaber it’s time for the Jedi to end. Burn the tree with the Jedi texts, oh that is right Rey stole them.

I do like the idea that the force is bigger than the light side and the dark side and its vanity that the force dies if the jedi religion dies. The balance being bigger than the jedi and Sith conflict is interesting and then its abandoned.

Is this the US laserdisc?

Edit: Nevermind the Embassy release is the Japanese. The one I’ve been looking for.

George wasn’t going to make sequels he was going to make Star Wars underworld and that never got made.

Disney’s priority was to make a commercial for a theme park. And to sell toys. Other ancillary merchandise. Storytelling was never as important as corporate planning was. They have shareholder calls and meetings, corporate boards and governance. Quarterly quotas.

I much prefer the 1977 Dolby Stereo.

I don’t want much done to the original mix except to replicate the original fidelity. I’d like it as is. No noise reduction, no attempt to make a near field mix.

I haven’t watched Die Hard in years. Its on my watch list but I don’t have the 4K.

Snubbed by the Globes except for Diego is wild. Genevieve was the standout of the series.

Didn’t the Special Edition restoration take 2 years to do? These things do take time.

At least when you are doing them properly and with quality in mind. Not a 30 day turnaround like the 2004 Lowry DVD.

To be honest I can’t wait until they release the trailer for this. Its going to be epic.

2022 makes perfect sense because the Fox deal finalized in 2019. The 40th was skipped for Star Wars but celebrated for Empire and Jedi which Disney had the rights to. So the 50th anniversary is kind of a big deal, even more so being the original.

Nothing of this magnitude has happened since the 1997 Special Edition, and the original Star Wars hasn’t been seen since the 1980 reissue. 1981 being the year A New Hope was added and they redid the crawl and starfield.

In 2027 it will have been almost 46 years since anyone has seen the original cut of Star Wars. As of this year it has been withheld for 44 years.

RM4747 said:

charlynne said:

I honestly thought that George would never do it, but I’m glad to be proven wrong. With so many changes made to this movie, a re-release of the original version and in higher quality was very due.

As of last year, George still seemed opposed to releasing the originals. He was asked directly at Cannes 2024, and grumbled about “We released them on DVD, but no one wanted them! Everyone said they looked terrible! It would cost millions of dollars to restore them! It’s my movie and I can change what I want!”

Once he sold the company in 2012, he gave up all control over things like this.

I seriously doubt they asked for his blessing, since they don’t need it. And Bob Iger supposedly doesn’t get along well with him anyway since he rejected his story ideas for Episodes 7-9 and he didn’t like the sequels.

What confuses me is why they waited so long.

Disney could’ve done this immediately after buying Lucasfilm, or for the 40th anniversary.

So I wonder who changed their mind, and why.

No they couldn’t for the 40th. They didn’t own Star Wars until 2019. The original film belonged to Fox.

Is Grauman’s going to show Star Wars in 2027?

They must still have the filmout tape which is the completed and finished negative. And the print master used to create cinema release prints. And the later DI which likely reflects the changes made for the 3D release and the 2011 Blu-Ray.

I think it’s kind of funny the 1997 edits on home video are stuck on primitive telecine to VHS, laserdisc and vcd. There is no DVD.

Lucas original vision never was on anything of higher quality except 35mm theater prints.

I don’t see Disney preserving those or the theatrical Phantom Menace.

They will do the originals only.

Howard Kazanjian a producers life. I had no idea the reason Tom Selleck was not available for Indiana Jones was because of a tit for tat spat over Universal being sued over Battlestar Galactica and Glen Larson getting even with Lucasfilm. Or that the Dykstraflex was used to film Galactica. And Lucasfilm was also suing to recover the equipment.

I also had no idea Richard Dreyfus refused to appear in both a second and third American Graffiti film.

Hell has indeed frozen over. Now if they could restore THX 1138 and American Graffiti. I doubt there is a lot on money on the table like Star Wars.

It would have been nice twenty years ago but late is better than never.

Though to watch the originals be restored in better quality than the special editions would be an irony indeed.