JadedSkywalker

Fruit672 said:

With the amount of money they’re spending? They’re for sure going to release it beyond the theaters. Unless that was part of George’s agreement that they only show it in Theaters and not release it physically but I don’t even know how George is ok with this since last I heard he was opposed to releasing the “original” version.

Why should he have any say at all, if Disney paid 4 billion dollars?

It would be completely insane for the Original theatrical trilogy to be restored and then not released because of one person. None of this would even be a thing if they had just released the original restored alongside the special edition decades ago. Lucas is the one behind this entire set of circumstances. And he created the restore the original trilogy movement with his stance on the originals. This site and others like it would likely not exist if not for his incredible arrogance. I say that as a huge devotee of Lucas and Lucasfilm, who is fan of everything he did since his student and Zoetrope days. All the way up to the Star Wars Prequels.

His lack of caring about the original director’s cuts of THX 1138 and American Graffiti, I find to be quite ridiculous. As in re-editing the young Indiana Jones Chronicles on VHS and DVD. He just can’t leave well enough alone.

Sensible people would allow people to see the television shows and films as they original were as catalog releases. And I’m not saying he can’t continue to edit his work as long as he preserves the original copies in the same quality.

There is room to argue in favor of his ability to make changes, for the Special Edition of Star Wars. His film. But I don’t think he should have been allowed to change The Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi. For one Richard Marquand was dead, and Lucas taking over these films as if he was the director is ridiculous. He promised Kersh final cut in 1980. He went back on his word. At least he kept his word to Steven and never recut Raiders.

Disney Lucasfilm should give fans the opportunity to own Theatrical prequels and the 1997 Special Editions too. Though one last OOT set and never needing to buy them again would be great.

Give us THX 1138 and American Graffiti both theatrical cuts, 1971 and 1973, and 1977 and 1978. and the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles on Blu-Ray with all the documentaries. Lucas can keep the cgi versions of Graffiti and THX I don’t want them.

After nearly a decade of false starts and multiple scripts and pulling our legs, they finally decided to cancel the Kelvin timeline. There won’t be a 4th JJ film.

To me that was the worst part of Rogue One Vader far too prequelly. In fact every appearance of him since the prequel except in Rogue One before the hallway scene has been prequely.I also found the Darth Maul scene in Solo to be lame.
I liked Vader with the red lenses and don’t choke on your aspirations, that was very OT Vader. Rogue One. I liked the unused alternate takes of Red Leader being used in the battle of Scarif from the original 1977 film. Doctor Evazan and Ponda Baba was bit much.

As for Finn I felt like Force Awakens was setting up him and Rey to be a thing, and then last Jedi all of sudden Reylo happens. Which reminds me of Hayden Skywalker/Padme from the prequel. The bad boy psycho romance. Rey is all I can save him I can fix him. There is still good in him.

Why was there a map to Luke if he was just someone who left the fight and wanted to die? that just wanted Rey to get off his island. I feel like JJ made Luke a totally worthless maguffin in the first of the Disney trilogy, and Rian made Luke do what he wanted for his film. And then JJ brought him back, as a Key jangling filler fan service in the third. With far less to do than Trevorrow had. Of the three Luke only had story purpose in TLJ to pass the torch to Rey I suppose, only by astral projecting himself.

Do people forget Yoda was a grouch or curmudgeon in TESB to test Luke. Luke was not doing that though. He really wanted to burn himself and the force tree and the Jedi texts.

It reminds me of the rant of Denethor in the Lord of the Rings Novel, the West has failed. I go to my funeral pyre to burn or something like that.

Then he snaps out of it thanks to Yoda. And says the rebellion is reborn today and I won’t be the last jedi. Rey by the way steals the texts Luke wanted to destroy in his book burning.

Lukes Nihilism did it serve a point. I only know one truth its time for the Jedi to end. Let the past die kill it if you have to. Kylo said. Rey does not find a new path she chooses the light side and the Jedi. The Sith/Jedi dichotomy continues. Luke was not wrong in wanting to restore the Jedi order, He merely was incapable of it. Rey will do it.

Some interesting Info on how the original and Special Edition mixes were done. But very confusing to the layman who does not work in the industry. It’s a good article despite all that.

Burtt explaining the mono mix being redone from scratch, that I had never known. The initial 35mm stereo being the least complete I have heard that, and I’m very familiar with that mix.

I just received my gatefold laserdisc for Never Say Never Again. And damn it looks brand new for a 41 year old videodisc it is awesome. I might watch that tonight, it’s an unauthorized James Bond by none other than Irvin Kershner. Not bad for 10 bucks. When film tickets are like 20-30 dollars. Inventing in old dvds, VHS or Laserdisc seems quite cost effective.

I can’t wait for my Arrow Lost in Space 4K to arrive. I haven’t seen that in well ages, probably since it came out. Or on VHS.

I was referring to how Obi-Wan did not lie in Star Wars because Darth Vader killed Luke’s father. A young Jedi named Darth Vader who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil. Helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights, he betrayed and murdered your father.

Now it’s just Kenobi lies all the time. Certain point of view. OH I Never owned a droid, and Yoda was my master wink wink. Except for this guy Gui-Gon. In the prequel he has r4. He does own a droid.

And Anakin never said a thing about wanting his kid to have that Lightsaber he did not even know about Luke’s existence. He knew he a child by Padme that died with her in childbirth. Not Twins.

Well The ROS was focused on Rey like Return of the Jedi was focused on Luke. It’s not the prequel trilogy Kylo is not the main character. Vader was not the central character of the OT either.

Lukes story purpose is given to Rey though, restoring the Jedi order. Passing on what he had learned.

We still don’t know why the New Republic failed or was incompetent and had no army to fight the first order. Or what happened to the Empire. Or is the New Republic going to be restored post ROS since it clearly failed. And Luke, Han and Leia were failures.

I suppose some of these things are described by Disney in novels and comics. Goody more homework. They made Star Wars like MCU. You have to watch a bunch of shows to explain their bad movies. If they even fill in any blanks at all.

The Making of Star Trek III. That just recently came out. I hope more making of Star Trek film books can be done. They should have done one on the Kelvin timeline when Bob Orci was still alive to be interviewed.

They will have to rely on archival material if at all like with Leonard Nimoy for Star Trek III. He is not around to be interviewed.

The best book on TMP is unauthorized Return to Tomorrow. No images were allowed as part of its publication. It could have used editing.

They only need to make a book on Star Trek IV, V already exists in Lizbeth Shatner’s book on the making of that film but could use updating. VI is a combination of articles and not a book proper by Mark Altman they should redo that one or expand it. There is no making of Generations, There is one on First Contact. None on Insurrection or Nemesis. There is one on the art and making of 2009 from JJ Abrams but no making of Into Darkness. No making of Beyond.

When watching some of the visions I was thinking of Captain Future and Ulysses and Star Blazers and stuff like that. None of this stuff comes close to that. I thought the first Ronin Episode of Visions was better than the second.

I watched this short. BUT I don’t know what to think of it. The 9th Jedi has decent animation I suppose.

Lots of different styles from different studios. Reminds me of animatrix or that Batman project where they had different submissions from different animation houses.

I’m not saying I hate Legends aka Visions. But I’m more likely to dip back into Leijiverse and watch Galaxy Express 999, Captain Harlock. Space Battleship Yamato.

I will say an actual series with a dedicated budget, like if it’s actually supported and not done on the cheap could be good.

Seeing how Disney is slashing the budget of Ahsoka season 2 what can animation hope for. The days of Clone Wars level budgets is likely gone. I wonder if they give Dave Filoni peanuts to make Darth Maul Shadow Lord.

I got The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi Evergreen Japanese releases Sample copies laserdisc with OBI. One is sealed. I got Mamoru Oshii Complete Works laserdisc with OBI primarily for the Urusei Yatsura films. I got Fairy Tale Dragon Cry region 2 DVD. Star Trek III region 2 dvd Lowry 2009 DVD. Maclunky Star Wars the original trilogy, The Disney trilogy both are region 2 used. Mary Poppins Returns region 2 used. Seller did not have the prequel trilogy. Star Wars was ten bucks for the entire OT 2020 Disney DVD. Of course, it’s the 4th special edition and not the original.

I also got Never Say Never Again Japanese Gatefold with no OBI. All of these were items on discount or I haggled on the price. Except for Mamoru Oshii complete works that was super expensive. But I now have Beautiful Dreamer and Only You in Letterbox and I won’t need the reissue of The Perfect collection I own already in 4:3 format. Just for the reissue of those.

Yeah on the Seven Dogs war they are in CLV instead of CAV but that late issue 1997 set goes for hundreds of dollars. This with Patlabor 1 and 2 and Angels Egg and such is a better value.

Well the Phantom Menace certainly could be restored from the camera negative. But going back to that instead of the filmout tape, will never be done. 2000 or more shots? and nearly every shot altered digitally in some way. You are talking about remaking the movie from the camera raw.

There would be diminishing returns to redo II and III. They have digital masters. They could certainly bring back the theatrical color timing for Episode II, and remove the DNR they applied to both II and III.

Re-rendering already 2k resolution images for 4K would make little sense.

There are cheaper solutions for Phantom Menace go back to the filmout tape before the DNR processing for the 3D conversion or use an interpositive/internegative.

Also why not restore the theatrical cut with Creepy Puppet Yoda. And the same timed edit as 1999.

You’d be surprised just how many shows have vanished audio or video masters, or they simply were junked and thrown away. If they aren’t just lost somewhere and or mislabeled.

I’m speaking of anime in general I don’t have any idea about Toei in general. It does disgust me, that they continue to upscale videotape if they do have film sources to scan and restore.

R.I.P. June Lockhart. Lost in Space and Lassie.

I was not alive in the 60s. I watched reruns decades later on television of Lost in Space.

If we can get the original Star Wars trilogy in 4K why stop there. Restore American Graffiti and THX 1138. From the techniscope negatives.

Yeah, that will never happen but It would be a nice thing. We could just pretend the existing 1998 cut in 4K slathered with DNR for American Graffiti does not exist.

What was the story? he returns as a light side Jedi for Reylo. Is that it. Rey has a bunch of Skywalker kids. They all live happily ever after.

Meanwhile the ghosts of Luke, Han and Leia do what. Time to party.

The entire Disney trilogy is a disaster. Follow through on your decision and make that Rey movie or don’t.

The only one I’ve used frequently is Paramount plus and the quality is less than desired for old shows like Star Trek Deep Space Nine and Voyager.

The compression issues and the problems watching videos over a Wi-Fi connection. I can’t speak to a wired connection.

When there is not issues TNG remastered, TOS remastered, Enterprise in HD are all excellent. Frasier the old version in HD is a blast.

I hated Strange New Worlds season 3 I never finished it, I also never finished the second season of the Frasier continuation It was lame.

true I was one of the people that requested episode 2.5. I had been in one of the pif chains back in the day and shared these with a few people. Along with the darth editous hybrid. and I had been given by a former friend rips of ADM extended editions superman edits. I think most of those discs are junk now.

If Luke did not return from the netherworld of the force in Episode 9 the Rise of Palpatine, there is no way dollar store Jacen Solo is coming back.

2009 PAL DVD for Star Trek IV and First Contact. These are Lowry masters,lol. They were also under ten dollars each.

I have too many even of the terrible Lowry master. I have the region 1. and a mix of region 2 and 4 for Pal format. Plus i have the region 2 Japan. As well as the gout DVD bonus discs for each.

I have every edition on DVD except 2011 and 2020 the last two special editions. Not every region do I have nor every language territory. There are a lot of various foreign releases.

I actually like Lucasfilm laserdiscs more than DVD because you can get the Theatrical versions except for SW 1977, with the caveat you can get the 1981 cut. You can get THX 1138 1977 cut, you can get American Graffiti 1978 cut without any added cgi redone sunset or new title card.

So far I have everything I want except for THX 1138, Tucker the Man and his Dream. Radioland Murders. Howard the Duck I don’t have that,lol.

Melody is a lovely woman. I’m happy for him. That Museum looks beautiful and is a quite an achievement. He looks good and healthy for an 81-year-old man. With a bit of a paunch. Nice suit but he has his plaid shirt under it. Who does not love George for his sweaters and plaid shirts. His known attire of tennis shoes.

Other than withholding the originals from the fans. He seems like a genuinely nice person. He does a good deal for charitable causes.

I really love Jamie’s projects. Thanks for this Jason.

Are they doing the original VistaVision first gen material. Because that would be like Oh my god. You have no idea how many years I’ve wanted to see those scanned at the highest resolution.

Seeing other films restored from VistaVision its quite amazing actually.

And the idea they found all the so-called lost trims and CRI that was claimed to be junked.

Were we lied to or mislead for years. Or did they really not know where all this material was.

doubleofive said:

JadedSkywalker said:

Verboten said:

It’s darkly amusing to me that I’m already reading stuff about this release, like re-composited effects shots and alternate dialogue takes, that means it won’t pass some peoples’ purity test.

Yeah. The Indiana Jones 4K was recomposited according to Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader.

I started a VisComp, Indy was not recomposited, the bluescreen elements have been rotoscoped from the final composite and stretched and warped to cover up the matte lines. It’s hilarious in A/B comparisons.

That’s not what we’re seeing here.

I stand corrected. So What they cgi rotocoped them? It’s like having to play Columbo.

I hope they hire Mike Matessino and Neil S Bulk to do the John Williams scores. That would be a dream. But It won’t happen.