JadedSkywalker

Well the Phantom Menace certainly could be restored from the camera negative. But going back to that instead of the filmout tape, will never be done. 2000 or more shots? and nearly every shot altered digitally in some way. You are talking about remaking the movie from the camera raw.

There would be diminishing returns to redo II and III. They have digital masters. They could certainly bring back the theatrical color timing for Episode II, and remove the DNR they applied to both II and III.

Re-rendering already 2k resolution images for 4K would make little sense.

There are cheaper solutions for Phantom Menace go back to the filmout tape before the DNR processing for the 3D conversion or use an interpositive/internegative.

Also why not restore the theatrical cut with Creepy Puppet Yoda. And the same timed edit as 1999.

You’d be surprised just how many shows have vanished audio or video masters, or they simply were junked and thrown away. If they aren’t just lost somewhere and or mislabeled.

I’m speaking of anime in general I don’t have any idea about Toei in general. It does disgust me, that they continue to upscale videotape if they do have film sources to scan and restore.

R.I.P. June Lockhart. Lost in Space and Lassie.

I was not alive in the 60s. I watched reruns decades later on television of Lost in Space.

If we can get the original Star Wars trilogy in 4K why stop there. Restore American Graffiti and THX 1138. From the techniscope negatives.

Yeah, that will never happen but It would be a nice thing. We could just pretend the existing 1998 cut in 4K slathered with DNR for American Graffiti does not exist.

What was the story? he returns as a light side Jedi for Reylo. Is that it. Rey has a bunch of Skywalker kids. They all live happily ever after.

Meanwhile the ghosts of Luke, Han and Leia do what. Time to party.

The entire Disney trilogy is a disaster. Follow through on your decision and make that Rey movie or don’t.

The only one I’ve used frequently is Paramount plus and the quality is less than desired for old shows like Star Trek Deep Space Nine and Voyager.

The compression issues and the problems watching videos over a Wi-Fi connection. I can’t speak to a wired connection.

When there is not issues TNG remastered, TOS remastered, Enterprise in HD are all excellent. Frasier the old version in HD is a blast.

I hated Strange New Worlds season 3 I never finished it, I also never finished the second season of the Frasier continuation It was lame.

true I was one of the people that requested episode 2.5. I had been in one of the pif chains back in the day and shared these with a few people. Along with the darth editous hybrid. and I had been given by a former friend rips of ADM extended editions superman edits. I think most of those discs are junk now.

If Luke did not return from the netherworld of the force in Episode 9 the Rise of Palpatine, there is no way dollar store Jacen Solo is coming back.

2009 PAL DVD for Star Trek IV and First Contact. These are Lowry masters,lol. They were also under ten dollars each.

I have too many even of the terrible Lowry master. I have the region 1. and a mix of region 2 and 4 for Pal format. Plus i have the region 2 Japan. As well as the gout DVD bonus discs for each.

I have every edition on DVD except 2011 and 2020 the last two special editions. Not every region do I have nor every language territory. There are a lot of various foreign releases.

I actually like Lucasfilm laserdiscs more than DVD because you can get the Theatrical versions except for SW 1977, with the caveat you can get the 1981 cut. You can get THX 1138 1977 cut, you can get American Graffiti 1978 cut without any added cgi redone sunset or new title card.

So far I have everything I want except for THX 1138, Tucker the Man and his Dream. Radioland Murders. Howard the Duck I don’t have that,lol.

Melody is a lovely woman. I’m happy for him. That Museum looks beautiful and is a quite an achievement. He looks good and healthy for an 81-year-old man. With a bit of a paunch. Nice suit but he has his plaid shirt under it. Who does not love George for his sweaters and plaid shirts. His known attire of tennis shoes.

Other than withholding the originals from the fans. He seems like a genuinely nice person. He does a good deal for charitable causes.

I really love Jamie’s projects. Thanks for this Jason.

Are they doing the original VistaVision first gen material. Because that would be like Oh my god. You have no idea how many years I’ve wanted to see those scanned at the highest resolution.

Seeing other films restored from VistaVision its quite amazing actually.

And the idea they found all the so-called lost trims and CRI that was claimed to be junked.

Were we lied to or mislead for years. Or did they really not know where all this material was.

doubleofive said:

JadedSkywalker said:

Verboten said:

It’s darkly amusing to me that I’m already reading stuff about this release, like re-composited effects shots and alternate dialogue takes, that means it won’t pass some peoples’ purity test.

Yeah. The Indiana Jones 4K was recomposited according to Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader.

I started a VisComp, Indy was not recomposited, the bluescreen elements have been rotoscoped from the final composite and stretched and warped to cover up the matte lines. It’s hilarious in A/B comparisons.

That’s not what we’re seeing here.

I stand corrected. So What they cgi rotocoped them? It’s like having to play Columbo.

I hope they hire Mike Matessino and Neil S Bulk to do the John Williams scores. That would be a dream. But It won’t happen.

Verboten said:

It’s darkly amusing to me that I’m already reading stuff about this release, like re-composited effects shots and alternate dialogue takes, that means it won’t pass some peoples’ purity test.

Yeah. The Indiana Jones 4K was recomposited according to Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader.

I remain skeptical but hopeful. They won’t do a total botch job like Maclunky right? or American Graffiti 4K.

Lowry can go under a new name but Lowry will Lowry. Reliance Mediaworks. They did the 4k UHD 2020 edits.

I merely assume the 2012-2013 scan and DNR that was done to it was for the 3D conversion. And they did not have a version pre of the DNR and post processing?

To quote Jyn Erso. Rebellion’s are built on hope. I only say that with as much pessimism as I can, in as tongue in cheek A way as I can.

Someone else will say it with conviction. I’m a glass half full/ doubting Thomas on this original trilogy getting restored business.

A physical disc release in Dolby Vision that Sony doesn’t charge a million dollars for in UHD please and thank you. That is what I want. To be able to buy them one time and to not have to buy them again.

I’m still not convinced and won’t believe it’s real until a release happens.

We go through this like once a decade and no release happens.

The only slight difference is Disney did not own Fox until 2019.

If a release was to happen it would have been planned since 2020 or so.

Damn that sucks I love his cover for the Korean pressing of Temple of Doom on laserdisc.

Superweapon VII said:

As with ROTJ in general, I’d love to discard it, but I begrudgingly accept it if only because so much of the post-ROTJ EU I love can’t exist without it.

A very wise and fair point. But I like the Luke and Leia dynamic. They didn’t need to end up together no one is suggesting that it just seems incredibly lazy on Lucas’s part.

Like the father Vader thing in Empire, it wasn’t well thought out. Lucas just sloppily retcons things and makes things up as he goes. He can pretend omniscience and it was always planned. It’s in the purview of the author to play god, and make their story however they want it. He mostly got away with it on the originals, but ran into problems on the prequels.

You’d have a lot more people with issues if there wasn’t a cult of personality surrounding the perfection of Lucas canon and by the Extension the EU. It’s all perfect and there are no issues with continuity. That is the opinion of the religious devoted to their sacred texts. But everything Disney does is not canon and can’t be worthwhile because Lucas sold the farm. I sort of halfway believe in the control of the author over their own works, or an established consistent world within the framework of their secondary universe. But I dislike the idea of canon because it reminds me of the Gospel tradition and how we got our New Testament. Which gospels are canon. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

I don’t know about alternate versions. But the film was shot in super 35 if you are talking about the Drew Barrymore movie.

A super 35mm film can have the matte opened up. Sometimes tv versions do this.

Yes even more now. I hated them making Leia the sister. It was a lazy way to wrap up the other, and to not have to make the original second Luke trilogy. Where his sister was out there and he would confront the Emperor. Only Vader would be confronted originally in film 3. Whether it was going to be Nellith or they would have settled on another name, it was not Leia.

Leia still could have heard Luke above Cloud City and been Force sensitive, without having to be a Skywalker.

The Chosen thing was originally about the Sun of the Suns. In the time of greatest despair their shall come a savior and he shall be known as the son of the suns. Journal of the Whills. Luke was the son of the Suns. Not Anakin. The Saga of Darth Vader was a very late edition.

You know how I know the balance of the force did not exist until the prequel. Because Luke fights a reborn Palpatine in Dark Empire and that was canon.

Just like the original lore had Jedi marrying and having children and there was no fear of attachments. No Jedi celibacy except in the Rough Draft 1974 screenplay.

Lucas was thinking Buddhism with Yoda though.

I did vastly prefer the previous director’s edition of Star Trek the motion picture for instance because they tried to make it match what was done in 1979. The 4K was much more like a Lucasian affair. I may enjoy it as an alternate cut but I would hate if they had decided to not allow the 1979 version. But in an expensive boxed set they allowed you to have not one and not two, but three cuts of the movie including the special longer tv cut in widescreen with the matte for the Kirk finally finished. My biggest complaint was not the DNR applied although there was some on both the theatrical and directors cut, no it was the original stereo mix only being available on the special longer version.

Out of all 6 TOS Star Trek films none of them had original stereo mixes except for the TMP. In that set.

I’d would really dislike to get Star Wars 1977 and for it to have a new Atmos mix and to be missing the 35mm Stereo, the 70mm or Mono mixes. They likely wouldn’t be that stupid would they if they wanted to do a new 4K of the original?

As for Blade Runner I luckily was able to buy the mediabook blu-ray of all 5 cuts at auction. before the prices went way up.

I think it’s especially egregious that Lucas engaged in film revisionism and not just with Star Wars. He has done it to his films even television. The fact Spielberg and Cameron and Peter Jackson also engage in it doesn’t absolve him.

You can’t get the original Young Indiana Jones Chronicles on DVD. You can’t get American Graffiti the director’s cut from 1978 except on laserdisc or VHS. You can’t get the THX 1138 1977 directors cut without watching it on VHS or laserdisc.

When he changed a film or tv show he did not preserve the original.

Even the Indiana Jones films were recomposited for 4K if Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader is correct. Spielberg again and Lucas.