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Gaffer Tape said: Apparently The Force Unleashed's plot has to do with another of Vader's wacky attempts to dethrone the Emperor, but I've never played it, nor do I intend to, so who cares?

Actually that one is subverted in the game, quite refreshingly. The main character is like Maul, he's trained as a child to an adult as an apprentice for Vader. Vader tells him he's to make contact with the newly begun rebellion, and help him overthrow the Emperor, but when it comes down to the deed, Vader attacks him (the main character) instead, and dumps him in space. Turns out the whole thing was a plan by both Vader and the Emperor to draw out the rebel leaders and get rid of them, using the main character as perfect bait.

Or at least that's the first two acts of the story, I don't know what happens in the third (pretty sure you come back to rescue the rebels and the like)

mrbenja0618 said:

G E Predator said:

DarthPlagueis said:

Yes, though I really liked the voice acting, I can't say the same thing about the microphone quality...

This is obviously not your fault, though! But if mrbenja is planning to redub ALL of the dialogue the quality of the recordings used should be consistent throughout the movie.

The voice test was merely for auditioning purposes only.  I can easily fix the quality of the audio.

And I agree.  The audio quality should be consistent throughout the movie.

 

That's cool man. I just wanted to make sure.... What does everyone think of G E Predator's take on Watto?

 

Very close to the original, though I assume he's only being redubbed for dialogue changes? I've never had a problem with Watto in TPM, and I don't know that I've ever heard in mentioned in the many lists of complaints about the prequels.

Why did you edit the cantina scene at all? What was wong with it before? Now it just jumps forward incoherently.

ChainsawAsh said:

People have been saying that it's so clear that Green = Master up until AOTC ... so why didn't Obi-Wan, who was clearly a Master in ANH, have a green lightsaber?  Because that wasn't the case until TPM.  Blue was good, red was evil, and green was symbolic of a new kind of Jedi in ROTJ ... until the prequels.

To be honest, green was symbolic of how blue doesn't show up well on against an equally blue sky, that was the only reason we got a green saber at all.

Obi-Wan never said he was a Jedi Master, only a Jedi Knight, the only Jedi Master mentioned in the OT is Yoda. What's more, things changed a lot from film to film in the OT. Darth Vader was just a guy in a suit in ANH, he wasn't a cyborg until ESB, which is why his voice changed to be more robotic, and he certainly wasn't Luke's father.

Not saying that saber colours were planned out or anything, they jsut went with what they had, but I'm just saying it wasn't contridicted, since the structure of the Jedi Order was left pretty vague in the OT.

But this the prequel redux ideas, and we're talking about the old, outdated JEdi Order, I just think there should be some structure to it, siince wasn't one of the main points (lost in the sea of bad acting, dialogue and effects) that the Jedi Order was too contrsicted, and set in it's pointless rules? In the film that showed the structure of the old Jedi Order for the first time, TPM, the master had a green saber, and the padawan had a blue. In AOTC, the knight and his padawan both had blue, while the two confirmed masters (Windu and Yoda) had purple and green, the purple not counting since it was a favour to Sam Jackson. ROTS screwed it up by having it random completely, but it screwed up a lot of things.

Overall, I'd just like the saber colours to have some structure in the old Jedi Order, either uniform, or used to denote rank. If anything, it can show how the old system is outdated and over organized, with it being structured like a military organisation instead of an order of monkslike it should be. We won't see it in the films, but perhaps in Luke's New Jedi Order, saber colours won't matter, and there won't be ranks, it'll be more free and open to change, which is the whole point of it being a "new" order.All the old outdated ways of the Jedi and Sith die out with Yoda, Vader and Palpatine in ROTJ, after all. I'm just suggesting ideas, that's all.

Actually, I'll just repeat, what a mess.

Saber colours in the filmsseemed pretty self explanatory up to and including TPM.

Blue = Padawan/Knight

Green = Master

Red = Sith

I would think Luke's green saber doesn't count, since he had to work with what he had.

Then AOTC came along with Windu's purple. Now since he seems to be the leader of the Jedi Council, yo could say that's why he had that colour. Still, there was rather an equal ratio of blue and green in the arena battle, which seemed to say there were as many masters as knights, which makes no sense.

Then bloody ROTS happened. Now it's completely random whether someone has a blue or green, half the people on the council have blue, half have green. Well done with that Lucas.

So something needs to be done. Everyone having blue will make for a real "holy ****!" moment in ROTJ:R when Luke lights up his green saber, which would be cool, but three films of nothing but blue sabers everywhere with a couple of reds would be a bit monotonous. Have some kind of a system at least, so that the colours are given meaning.

Possibility 1:

Everyone has blue.

Possibility 2:

Everyone on the council has green, as does Qui-Gon, everyone else has blue. Windu has green like the rest.

Possilibity 3:

Everyone has blue, except for Windu, Yoda (if his saber is seen at all) and Dooku, who have either green or purple, and they are set up as the three leaders of the council.

Possilibilty 4:

Kept the same. This is the idiotic option.

Possilibty 5:

Everyone has blue, except for Windu and Dooku, who have purple/green, Windu's role is redone to be that of a borderline renegade, Dooku is redone to be a full blown renegade. This has been done before, and it worked well.

For me, I don't want to lose all the green sabers, particularly Qui-Gon's saber, as I felt it designated him as the master, by having a different saber. However, if everyone on the council has a green saber, since they have to be a master, and to prevent colours being random, you'd have to have Obi-Wan in ROTS with a green, when in ANH, his saber, the same one he has in ROTS, is blue. So really, thanks a bunch for the big mess, George, was it really that hard to keep things organised?

I guess the best way to go is number three for me, even if it means losing Qui-Gon's green. Actually, come to think of it, with option 5, you could give Qui-Gon a green along with Dooku and Windu, since he's already borderline renegade with all his defying the council stuff.

What a mess.

If I could, I would donate as much as I could to the project, but I actually wouldn't really want to see the workprint of ESB:R. I'd like to be wowed by the finished project, with nothing but the trailer released to go on.

Plus I'm not very good at reporting what needs to be done here and there anyway.

Actually I wactched it again the other day, and there's something that could be called a mistake, or maybe jsut an inconsistency. When Vader and Obi-Wan meet on the Death Star in the original, Vader's saber is already lit up (which I liked, in that he really was waiting for him right there), in Revisited, it's not on, and he lights it up as he walks towards him. This is grand, but the noise his saber makes as it lights up is not the noise Vader's saber makes in ESB and ROTJ, it's the standard "woosh" of Luke and Obi-Wan's sabers, as opposed to the higher and sharper ESB/ROTJ one.

In the prequels, all the Jedi sabers use the "woosh" sound, all the Sith sabers use the Vader one. I guess this has offically been designated the "Jedi Lightsaber Sound" and "Sith Lightsaber Sound", but I, for one, don't welcome anything from the prequels, so that is moot to me. What isn't moot, is that Vader's sounds different in ESB and ROTJ, and since it was not seen lighting up in the original ANH, I'd call it a legitimate inconsistency.

Pointless complaining now of course, since Adywan is long finished on ANH:R, but it's one of the very few things that bugs me in the edit, so I thought I'd say it.

TheBoost said:

THe new Catholic Bishop of Ohio is named George Lucas. That's mildly funny to me.

Does he still use a physical church for Mass, or does he just have a big greenscreen?

I saw the film (TPM) when I was nine, so I didn't get that he was Darth Sidious until the end of the film, where they basically told you.

I don't get how anyone could go the three films without realising that, they didn't even try to hide it, which was presumably the point.

I'm not really that familiar with everyone here, but was he the guy who was posting those really goofy mockups about weird changes to ESB a good few months back?

Actually, I think I know how every means about the sound being a lot worse on the DVD release, than the original. Now I know nothing about sound, so I'm just guessing, but in the theater, when I saw it in 1999, right at the beginning, when the Trade Federation turns on the Jedi and the turret comes down and blasts the Republic ship in the hangar, my ears nearly got blown off for how loud and bassy it was. On the VHS and DVD I have, there's nothing of the sort, it's just a weak explosion sounds. It's not my set up or volume or anything, it's just missing that impact. Same with the pod race, that was amazing in the cinema, and a big part was how loud and powerful sounding the engines and explosions were. It's bleh on the DVD, nothing special.

Course, I'm likely to be talking rubbish here, but I thought I'd chip my limited experience with sound in TPM.

Mr Ghostface said:

 

Oh, I wasn't offering suggestions for ANH:R, I was just pointing out that it's not all that special and some of the praise Adywan gets for it seems to be borne of an ignorance of how much simpler this is to do than a lot of people realise. And didn't he say that the new CG stuff isn't even his, that another guy did it. I'm not saying this to pull him down; it's more that I feel other editors don't get the same praise when their editing skills are just as good, and some of them are definitely more seamless than Adywan's.

Um, I'm pretty sure it took Adywan two years to make ANH: R. Most fanedits, even very good ones, take between a week and a month to do. Those are simple. All they do is edit the films. It takes a lot of knowledge and skill with editing to make a good fanedit, but it's not a long, time consuming process if you know what you want in the edit.

This, on the other hand, is. Two years is a long time, and if it's simple to this kind of all encompassing special edition type fanedit, why is Adywan the only one doing them? There's hundreds upon hundreds of Star Wars fanedits, it's by far themost popular series to edit, so why is there only one edit of this type, and only one more in the making?

I cringed, actually cringed when reading some of the changes for ANH: R. Why? Because they were things like "re-rotascoped all lasers". I couldn't imagine how tedious, time consuming and dull that must be to do, and for someone to do it just for a fanedit, that took dedication. It's an insult to all the work Adywan did to just dismiss ANH: R as "not all that special.

Also, ANH: R isn't perfect, everyone knows that. Adywan said he was a novice in a lot of the programs he used to create it, when he started it. Some FX could be made to look better, and there's probably still a couple of goofs he missed. But this was his first edit of this kind, and it seems, the first ever done. And it's sure as hell a hundred times better than anything we got from Lucas's own special editions. Look at what's being done for ESB: R, everything that was done for ANH: R is being done, and done better, but also all new models and sets to make the special effects no longer outdated or unconvincing. Now that's dedication, espcially considering he's getting nothing for it, no profit or anything. You're giving him far too little credit for all the work he's done, and is still doing.

Question, was the notorious pink tint a problem from the start or was it only with the DVD releases?

Obviously it's been a decade since I saw the theatrical version so I really don't remember the colours.

I think you'll probably have a much easier time of it working on the PT in a few years, Adywan, not the actual workload, but the fan reactions. It must be pretty conscricting to work on the OT, since any single little change you make  will have a huge backlash from fans. Like that hullabuloo over the killing Lando thing, a lot of fans (including me, unfortunately) simply can't fathom the idea of actually changing the OT's story. I mean, I know it would proably be a lot better as a trilogy with a few story changes, but I'm way too engrained in it, I wouldn't be able to accept it the same as I would for any other fanedit. I mean, I know ROTJ has the weakest story of the three, and I know it's the weakest film of the three, and it is quite flawed in general, but I still love it regardless, it was my favourite as a kid (which was probably the point, Ewoks and dumb jokes and all that), so even trying to improve it plotwise, I can't really fathom.

So it must be really hard to deal with all the naysayers (like I said I didn't want to see the story changed, but I never actually said anything about it, that would be rude and ungrateful, it's still your edits, and you're doing these out of your own pocket after all).

The PT on the other hand, I, and most likely the majority of fans, couldn't give a toss about the original story/characters, so you can do whatever you like to them without all that backlash. In fact, I think it's clear you'll only be encouraged to slice it up and make something worthwhile out of it. Of course, it'll probably take a lot of work to tone down the flashiness of the trilogy, and reworking scripts, characters, music and plots won't be easy, but at least you'll have total creative freedom with them, which will surely be a relief. Sort of like you're given a blueprint, that you can modify however you see fit before building the house, and people will be pleased no matter what, so hated the original blueprint was. Thogh this is sort of off topic, and years away as it is.

P.S. Sorry to hear about the back problems, my dad has serious back problems so I know how crippling they can be for someone.

AOTC is by far the worst of the prequels. ROTS and TPM are heavily flawed, and downright poor, but AOTC is simply awful.

TPM, as I've seen in fanedits, is the easiest of the three to "save", and make a decent film, without seeming chopped up like many AOTC and some ROTS edits.

Why not just go the magnoliafan route and subtitle Jar Jar?

That way you can make his character anything you want, without worrying about lip syncing or aught.

Excellent news, Christopher Lee is a national treasure. This knighting is long overdue

For me, LOTR's extended sets are the standard for both commentaries and makings of. Everything and everyone got covered in those, and I would lose that treatment for SW, but as many of said, GL's claims about the OT these days are often quite false, so I don't know if it would be worth doing.

tehwallaby said:

I have an idea, what if all of Count Dooku's appearances are replaced with Darth Maul, making him a main character. Remove the rest of the battle in TPM where Obi-Wan kills Maul, and instead have him run away while Obi-Wan is stuck behind the red shields.

It would take quite a bit of editing, and a lot of tweaking of dialogue, but it'd be interesting to see it done.

Not only would that be pretty much impossible to do, due to lack of footage, and the fact that Maul has two lines of dialgue in total, I don't see why you would do it. Maul was cool, and all that, but he had no character other than a bred killing machine. I would have liekd to see more of him, but only in the role he had in TPM, not as a actual main character. A recurring role would have been good for him (him in place of General Grevious for instance).

With tweaks, we've already seen Dooku can be a very interesting character (making him an ambigious renegade Jedi). If anything, we need more Dooku in the PT.

He should have been in TPM, like the people above have suggested. Have him on the council,, with one line maybe, just so we know in AOTC "hey it's that guy", rather than "another new character without warning, yay"

It's May 21st for the trailer/anniversery, right?

Someone is saying here that because Dooku uses force lightning (it's actual name), he's automatically evil. All he does in the film (fanedit anyway) is to use it to knock down Anakin, he doesn't keep in on him any longer than needed.

I don't see how that qualifies as evil. As someone else said, Luke briefly uses force choke in ROTJ, does that make him evil?

Also, really now, how can you make it so black and white. Jedi = good, sith = bad? Did you see what Obi-Wan did to Anakin in ROTS? His former friend (and "brother" no less), and he lops off his limbs, and leaves him to burn alive, until he's died of suffocation. That's cold. If he was really a rightous Jedi, he would have finished him off to spare him such a painful death. What was stopping him going down there and quickly cutting off his head to give him a merciful death? It certainly wasn't "he couldn't bare to", he could bare to mutilate him and watch him burn.

That's not much of a Jedi, and I don't see anything Dooku does, especially in these fanedits, that's worse than that.

I've watched AOTF, and TOTR so far, and the'yre pretty good. i still have some niggles, only a couple in AOTF, jsut a couple of lines or tiny cuts I disagree with, but there's a few scenes in TOTR I think should have been cut, or left in. Some scenes definitely felt "cut up", the dialogue didn't flow (not that any of the AOTC romance scenes flowed though) right, like they stopped and started a lot. I love what you did with Dooku though, he's a more interesting character now that's he's truly not Jedi nor Sith, but grey. I'm looking forward to TBKR, now, though I'm confused as to how the movie's climax will work without the Yoda/Sidious duel (not saying it was  any good, but won't Yoda just sort of vanish, without even trying to stand up to the Emperor?).

EyeShotFirst said:

Hollywood really sucks. How many people watch action movies nowadays were somebody flips a car or something to that effect and cannot help but say BULLSHIT? Movies like Star Wars are ment to show the impossible that is why I like it. But you have movies like wanted were they curve bullets and fly. It is all crazy. I can't watch fighting movies at all. Sorry for the rants. When I make a movie I am not going to do it under hollywoods wing. Too many movies with big potential get screwed over by my country the supposed great US. I hate our television. How many reality shows are on nowadays? Too many as far as I am concerned. Then you have spin offs of reality shows. Who the crap cares about flava flav? Who cares about some ho who won on his show. Their is a double standard in this industry. What happened to my awesome cylons in battlestar. The coolest characters of all turned into people. I deeply apologize for going way off topic but I ponder these things every single day. Is it as bad outside the states? Do you all have to watch horrible shows and movies and spinoffs of horrible shows and movies? Or is it all wonderful and exciting? oh and other words. Beverly Hills Chiauaua (sorry cant spell). Need I say more? I just hate that we keep are big noses in celebrities buisiness. I gotta sit for hours watching tv hearing about all the sluts in the media. You know what really grinds my gears? Every year their is another pixar movie. What happened to disney's animated films from the 30's - 90's they had some masterpieces. Damn I need to go bitch somewhere else.

I hope you're not saying this is a bad thing, almost all of Pixar's film are masterpieces themselves.

EyeShotFirst said:

Jedi Dark Knight said:

Jar-Jar? "I have a bad feeling about this"...as a side note: I can't imagine what pushed GL to creat a creature such as Jar Jar....he could have gone with something "chewie" like and have that character be the "Chewie" of the PT for Anakin, of course he could have died at the end or what ever but why pursue a creature so.....utterly..........OK! Back to ESB.

 

Among one of those things of doing "something just because you can", how about showing the googles of the AT-AT that recognize the power generator be more flashhy? hehehe ok, turbolaser time now.....

I know how to make jar jar stand able. Re-dub his voice. Ah ha. He can keep a Jamaican accent  but a cooler Jamaican accent. Like he's about to roll up a big fatty in the middle of tattooine. More like Hermes from Futurama.

 

Magnoliafan's Balance of the Force TPM re-edit did that, he gave him an alien voice with subtitles, which I think is the best way to go. He completely change Jar Jar's character with the new dialogue, from the thing he was before  into a sort of arrogant prick character, which I actually enjoyed (I can't believe I typed that, I atually enjoyed having Jar Jar on screen).

I just watched TPM and AOTC ( the Phantom Edit versions) yesterday, and I must say, AOTC is aging horribly already. TPM, like you said, is faded looking, and has that pink tint, but it actually holds up well in the special effects and sets department, a bit of colour correction and it'll look great.

That picture of Dooku on Geonosis up there is terrific, the rock reminds me of Egypt now, and looks convincing. That needs to be done for pretty much every scene in AOTC. The special effects mostly look horrible, and the sets are very obvious green/blue screened (I can often almost see the mattelines around the actors, it's disgraceful looking). Jar Jar looks better in TPM than he does in AOTC, for instance, he looks very CGI in his movements, wheras, annoying as he was, he looked more or less believeably "there" in TPM.

The scenes on Kamino are almost hilarious, you've got Ewan McGregor looking completely uncomfortable and awkward, as he's meant to be sitting in a room, talking to a character, when you can easily tellhe's sitting in front of a bluescreen, talking to thin air. I actually felt embarrassed for him, to be put in such a situation (it definitely affected his performance as well, he was very unsure-looking in the scenes).

I've not watched ROTS in a while, so I don't know how it's aging, but I see it having the same problems AOTC has, after only a couple of years, though to a lesser extent.

Seems that TPM will ultimately age the best out of the three prequels (in looks department anyway). AOTC is going to need some serious amount of work to hide the shoddy effects that appear in almost every scene.

Considering this is now going to have all new model work, and ROTJ: R will have even more, and big story changes, I wonder how it'll be in ten years time when ROTS: R is out, with all the experience, skill and new tech Adywan will have gotten in that time, and he might look at ANH: R, and I think "I can do better than that", and starts up ANH: R 2, and the whole thing starts over again.

P.S. That was a very long sentence.