Icecream2448

George can be a little silly with his choices, and ret-cons were a staple between the OT and PT.

Jonh also has the Sebastian Shaw version to finalize 😉

Whoa! Great job, everyone.

StarkillerAG said:

Brewzter said:

^Did we ever learn what the third lesson was off-screen? I’ve read the novelization and such but I can’t remember

The “third lesson” was that scene in the TLJ novelization (it was in the deleted scenes too) where Luke claims that the Caretaker village is being invaded by pirates. He tells Rey that a true Jedi wouldn’t save them, but Rey runs off anyway. Once she gets there, she finds that it was actually a big party all along. Luke tells her that it was supposed to be a lesson on how Jedi beliefs don’t matter anymore, but Rey gets pissed and storms away.

Some fan edits have added that scene back into the movie, but Hal’s didn’t, so Cinefy’s idea was supposed to be another way of incorporating a third lesson into the trilogy.

I know. If this third lesson scene was in TLJ, then the lesson would be… things don’t appear how they seem. She’s already learned that from Luke ending up being a hermit instead of the epic Jedi she (and we) all thought he would be. I suppose it is a major theme in the film, but it’s unnecessary to do this again, when Rey has already been unintentionally taught this lesson from the very beginning of the film. And whole the setting of her going to like a fun Caretaker party is just one I don’t really like, honestly lol.

So in the context of the film without that scene, I think what I took from it still stands. Rey’s third lesson is one you don’t need to be sat down on a rock and told, like a typical Jedi Master and Padawan. That aspect of the Jedi should be gone. It leads to horror every time. Or something like it. Or maybe I’m completely wrong and some edits are way better with that scene included; I haven’t seen many for TLJ outside of Hal’s!

I like the idea of adding the lesson 3 to TROS, but, in defense of the lack of a third lesson in TLJ…

Rey’s third lesson is something she “learns” on her own. Don’t nail your destiny on anyone, or you’ll be disappointed. Basically.
But more importantly; screw this religion with its specific rules and lessons. She metaphorically doesn’t NEED a third lesson taught to her in the old Jedi way, because its about doing things your own way for the greater good. Not following a specific, flawed guideline. Something like that.

Yeah, it’s character and story-wise wrong, like Hal said. But then it’s too loud (and wrong) or too quiet (and thus pointless) either way you edit it.

Adding a line ruins the comedy beat him staying silent brought, and it also makes the scene too corny. Finn insists Poe take his hand and say “for Chewie” as Poe rolls his eyes (showing to the audience to not take this rejoice so seriously). And then 3PO joins and DOES take it seriously. The three of them (or just Poe, annoyed) look at 3PO strangely, because he’s a silly robot who doesn’t get it and wants to feel like he’s helping. It’s awkward on purpose. If you add him saying something with them, it takes away the awkward comedy moment, makes it more corny because now they’re all taking the “for Chewie” thing a little too seriously. And just makes it an overall forgettable moment now. I don’t think anything needs to be added here; C-3PO staying silent isn’t an issue, really. MAYBE if we can extend the shot of Poe looking frustrated at C-3PO AFTER he says “For my friend!”, then we can retain the comedy beat… but I don’t know. 3PO saying anything distracts us from Poe’s annoyed expression.
Perhaps have 3PO say a line as he’s walking over. So the silent part of Poe being annoyed is still retained. But everyone seems to be adding the line to fill in this silent gap, so I dunno haha.

Little word-y there, but I hope you get my point. And to be fair, Finn and Rey are taking the hand thing and “for Chewie” seriously. So maybe everyone sees it differently. Just overall not really feeling this change. It was perfectly, awkwardly C-3PO.

Yeah, I love that idea a lot. Imagining Palpatine, y’know, having a biological child is weird. And a failed clone doesn’t make sense in this context.

Wow. A Palpatine-less edit. Would the final battle be on the Death Star II wreckage? Rey just impales Kylo and then it ends.

The “Weak. Like your parents” line could still work in a movie where they were scumbag nobodies. I like that.

Rey’s dad just had midichlorian dysfunction, and Palpatine was REALLY embarassed about his clone son.

I know it was from the novel, but I was asking if there are any even subtle hints at all that this is the case in the actual film. This was already answered to me, but thank you for confirming it!

Vidmaster said:

Icecream2448 said:

Were there any explicit references to Rey’s dad being a failed clone of Palpatine?

I do not think the timeline would add up on that, plus it would feel really forced. Another clone? Fully with HAL on this one, we should not even try.

I was asking if there was any direct implication of it in the theatrical film. Because that actually is the explanation in canon; Rey’s father was a “failed” Palpatine clone. I want any trace of that gone just as much as anyone else does, lol.

There is too much moaning and groaning for me to handle in that video, lol.

Burbin said:

I think the line works either way.

It’s either “I know where she’s going”, we wonder how he knows, and then we see that the KoR are tracking Ochi’s ship.

Or we see the KoR are tracking the ship, and then we see Kylo knows this.

Either way gives us a sense that Kylo and the KoR are working together, it’s so seamless that the first time I watched one of the early workprints I didn’t remember that scene came so much later originally and it just made sense to me that’s what he was referring to.

You could argue he doesn’t really know where she’s going yet, but he’s waiting for the intel from the KoR which he gets in a latter scene, so what he’s saying is true, from a certain point of view. He knows the KoR are still on her track.

And it even works to soften the awkward moment where he lets them get away on Passana, as now it’s clear he has a plan. In the original film it’s not made clear if the KoR decide to track them on their own and if Kylo knew this, now it’s clear they are working together.

Agree with this, I think.

If a replacement for this “Oh, Chewbaac!” line isn’t found, have him not say anything.

I kinda liked 3PO not saying anything. It was cute and awkward in a C-3PO way the way it played out.

Yeah that part doesn’t quite make sense. I mean, to be fair, the group just do just look at each other confused and curiously follows him in this version. They weren’t running super fast behind him. I could see it working. But as it is without some heavy tweaking, it’s very awkward and random that Lando just appears in this way.

pleasehello said:

I really do like music leading into the ending credits the way Hal has it configured currently. Though the transition between the Rey theme and the credits wipe still seemed a bit off,like there was some undesirable audio bleed on the crossfade. I made an attempt to create a cleaner transition: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-r_k2ogPR2IFIih-e2dLQYCsL5gI9Igb/view?usp=sharing

EDIT: Link is now accessible

That feels right to me. That’s all I needed to be altered with it. Thank you.

I figured it would be the same as the film; Palpatine had Ochi try to find little baby Rey (because Palpatine’s spirit sensed how strong she was in the force; new Chosen One.) And Ochi still killed her parents in the process of trying to track her down. So Rey is still vengeful against Palpatine at the end and edging towards the dark side. The only difference is that she’s not blood related to Palpy. Everything could happen the same without her being related to him, maybe. I was okay with Kylo telling her that “they were filthy junk traders” wasn’t the full truth. And maybe her finding out that her parents were good, and sensing Ben there, is her rejection from the dark?

But I guess this is just even weaker than Rey Palpatine and way too convenient for the story, lol. I’d prefer it if her parents were just scum and that’s it. But her parents being noble isn’t the worst thing ever after TLJ.

Were there any explicit references to Rey’s dad being a failed clone of Palpatine? It’s been a while since I’ve watched the original film. But… y’know, just in case they said he was a clone, I hope we don’t overlook it and accidentally leave that stuff in the Rey Nobody cut.

“He killed my mother… and my father.”

Maybe it’s just the brown cloak that’s big. And when he’s wearing that, he’s even wider than he already is.

“Goodnight… but not… goodbyeeeeeee…” Hyperspace, cut to credits.

Probably this music cue. It’s what I personally intend to use.

https://youtu.be/D6K6ETASu1E