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Sebastian Shaw saying “Rey” right at the same time Alec Guinness says “Rey” would make me melt into goo. 😭

Maybe keep the closeup of that one kid, but replace the audio with children cheering “woo!” instead of all laughing?

ok fine… yeah you guys are right… get rid of the laughing child… 😢

Would it be possible to play the shot of the puppet stage, then reverse it, to make it double the length if needed? Or would that look weird in this case?

unless you absolutely have to, i guess… 😉

I really really love this puppet idea, so so much… but please do not cut the closeup of that cute little laughing alien baby, whatever you do!!!

It would have worked much better if it was the dice she was holding, that is definitely true. But Chewbacca getting the medal is a decent send off, thus having Leia holding the medal be… acceptable. I’ve seen people be more 50/50 on that Chewbacca part, rather than straight up everyone hates it and thinks it’s horrible fan service. It is, and it isn’t.

I should also bring up that Luke gave Leia ghost dice. It’s unclear what Luke did with the real dice after pulling them down from the Millennium Falcon’s rear view mirror. So, they went with the medal. But even still, it could have been more poignant to use the dice and finish off the “arc” of the dice. However, the medal isn’t completely egregious…?

It was supposed to be Leia’s doing. That’s why she dies doing it. She did a force thing similar to Luke’s death causing move in TLJ, with a hologram of someone.

It took Leia all the effort she apparently had to get the “spirit” of Han over to Ben. With that in mind, it would make sense that it took a little bit of time for him to get there. It’s unclear exactly how long it took Luke to get his hologram over to Crait.

By the time the lightsaber fight is over, the Falcon arrives to pick up Finn and Jannah off the wreckage. So, with it now up and running, it could have taken the Falcon any amount of time to get from (now Endor) to the Resistance base via hyperspace. The gap of time isn’t that bad here. It’s not hours on end. It could have been like a half an hour or less.

Leia has the medal. She probably brings it with her everywhere, especially after Han’s death about a year before EP 9. If we are to argue semantics and locations and timeframes, well then keep in mind that the dice are on the Falcon. Which Leia was not on or around when she decided to make her final move. So there you go, lol.

And yeah, they went with the medal so Chewbacca could get it. Because of the silly joke, sure, but it also still holds a meaning for these characters in-universe. Han, Luke, Chewbacca and Leia’s lives all changed after they met, and the medal symbolises that turning point for them. Han’s dice mean something to him alone, while the medal(s) mean something to the whole group. That feels kinda phony and silly to say, but it kinda works? Ehh?

These edits are just making all of this a little bit clearer.

You guys… lol. Come on.

She’s holding the medal because of Han showing up 5 minutes later. She’s touching the medal as a sort of memento connection back to Han, that’s how she gets a physical representation of his memory over to Kylo to push him over the edge back to the good side. The medal is required to convey what’s going on without words, because Carrie Fisher wasn’t with us anymore to properly act/explain this clearer, and they had to piece together something for Leia to do as a final heroic act. This was a fair trade off. Context, guys.

And just be a closeup of her rubbing her hands together in that shot? 😄

She’s holding the metal because she is basically conjuring Han for the scene a little after where Han and Kylo “speak” again. That’s Han’s medal.

I like the placement of the medal shot too, and I thought of the same explanation for it that’s been said. It makes the shot of her suddenly holding the medal as she lays down… not so random anymore. I like it, it improves that moment for me.

Was Ochi also tasked with getting Darth Vader’s wayfinder on Mustafar as well? But he died before he could get to either Vader’s or Palpy’s (after pointlessly killing Rey’s parents)? Why exactly did Vader also have a wayfinder triangle?

So I guess Palpatine’s was on Death Star II because he was planning on staying there for the foreseeable future? Or does he just bring the triangle around with him everywhere he goes?

Yeah, really don’t like any of this trailer music, lol. It’s way too bombastic and “This is awesome because they are winning now!!! Feel excited about what is happening!!!” when that’s not really appropriate. Really takes me out of the movie. It’s trailer music for a reason.

I like what you wrote, Hal. Thank you!

“There’s that word again, ‘dyad’…”

Palpy/Snoke just didn’t realize it was leading towards a dyad. One hasn’t been seen in generations. I dunno.

The Force did not whill their relationship to be as strong as a dyad. We’re just working with what we have here, lol.

Burbin said:

Palpatine clearly says “the life force of your bond… a dyad in the Force” so it’s not something they were born with, but a connection that grows within them. So it doesn’t contradict Rey being a nobody, if anything it would strengthen that point if a nobody could develop such strong connection in the Force. And I also don’t see Snoke bridging their minds as a contradiction, but rather a step towards such a strong connection developing. Maybe it would help if Kylo said “What Palpatine doesn’t know is we’ve become a dyad in the Force, two that are one”.

100% agree with this, this is my mindset.

TestingOutTheTest said:

I am against a “Rey nobody” edit; it would undermine her trilogy-spanning arc of overcoming her subconscious and irrational core belief that she is inherently worthless.

A lot of those points can also be used towards arguing that Rey being a nobody was indeed the point in TLJ and is what should have continued to happen in TROS! It’s a debate that will go back and forth for a long time, I think.

I’m very much a pro TLJ person, but I like their relationship turning into a mystical dyad force.
They already had a force connection before TLJ; Snoke just opened the door for them to actually verbally communicate with it (I guess you could debate on what Snoke actually allowed them to do here, but the point is neither he or Palpy knew it was inadvertently creating a vessel for the dyad relationship to really blossom. “What Palpatine doesn’t know… is we’re a dyad in the force, Rey.”) And the abilities of their dyad are so unbelievably powerful, again, still unbeknownst to Snoke/Emperor, that they can instantly transfer items back and forth through the force itself. Kylo getting water on his face is like a foreshadowing to that, which is paid off with the lightsaber transfer at the very end.

I don’t see it as Rey was born with this ability, they just somehow latch onto each other and it creates a dyad. (Maybe through a love thing.) The dyad happens now because of their place in the story and the galaxy. Rey is still a nobody. Still works for me. Getting rid of the dyad bit in TROS belittles what the Rey-Nobody TLJ sets up. So if anything, a Rey Nobody TROS should be the one keeping the dyad, lol. At least in my eyes, I mean I dunno.

I might be grasping at some straws here, but hey.

My interpretation (with this trilogy of edits) is that the dyad began its inception during the interrogation scene between Kylo and Rey way back in TFA. The seeds were planted there for the dyad.
And then in TLJ, Snoke bridged their minds together so they could now Skype call, which really got the dyad ball rolling. (Not really the smartest plan ever, but hey. Snoke is a fool and thought Kylo would finally try to surpass his grandfather instead of doing the same killing-his-master thing Vader did. It’s fine.) But then they could continue the force Skype calls after Snoke’s direct influence was gone, because the dyad had become that much more powerful and just naturally flowed to take that form of communication. It’s a very Force-ey unexplainable spiritual thing, and I’m fine with it. (Emperor or Snoke didn’t know it could still go on afterwards, maybe?)
And finally, The Emperor wasn’t controlling Snoke’s every move; he just “made” him, as in trained him. And set him up as a figure head in the First Order, as Emperor was trying tirelessly to get a working clone of himself in order. So, he didn’t know what exactly was going on in Rey and Kylo’s heads, other than what Kylo was directly telling the Darth Vader helmet and to Snoke (who, I guess, was relaying it back to Palpy.) The Emperor knew they had a bond, he even says it’s a bond. He’s just surprised that it’s as powerful as it is, sending items back and forth. (He also didn’t know Ben was there in the other part of the building, so that’s also why he was shocked when the Skywalker saber disappeared) He might have only known that Snoke bridged their minds, not that it had materialized into a full blown “unseen for generations” style dyad.

Something like this. I dunno. That might not make sense, or somehow contradict itself somewhere, but hey. It’s what I have to work with to make these movies connect properly.

I’m back and forth on the “every voice inside your head” line. On one hand, I can see how it’s kind of unnecessary to have both “I made Snoke” and “I’ve been every voice you have ever heard inside your head” lines back to back. One or the other is enough. But on the other hand, having both lines there doesn’t really take away anything for me, it’s just more explanation. I don’t mind the fan servicey presentation of it. Maybe, yeah, just remove the Vader breathing perhaps, if anything HAS to be changed there.

Basically, I’d only be upset if both lines are totally removed. I need SOME explanation in the actual film. We need to know that Palpatine “made” Snoke. It is important in trying to make this all makes sense, to directly connect Palpatine to Snoke. Not just the First Order, but to Snoke. At least for me. With the removal of the jar of Snokes in this edit, it leans more towards The Emperor meant he merely propped up Snoke, rather than literally created him, which is what we all want to have happen in Ascendant. But we need some of this dialogue to explain it. It’s messy and a little confusing and maybe still unnecessary to some, but I think it should be there. I’m also open to repurposing the lines for later on in the Vader helmet scene, like has been mentioned. Although, it would be weird to not have the Emperor tell Kylo at the start… but I digress. Either way, the line(s) need to not be completely removed, I feel.

When the TIEs are directly in front of the castle, they appear to be considerably more fakey fake computer generated (maybe because of the way they move) than any other shot. I think that alone is throwing some of us off.

Let’s start now. I love this film and everything that happens in it! Okay, now gimmie, Disney!

I’ll take a link as well, lol.

The logic of going with the Shuttle works for me. But I can’t not love the symbolism of Luke’s X-Wing next to Vader’s TIE from a purely visceral fanservice standpoint! This is tough.

Solid. Looks good to me.