Icecream2448

You have to tap into the dark side to sense the secrets the blade holds. (Which is why it’s important to not have the sith whispers until after we find this out.)
Why would Rey internationally do dark side things out of nowhere? She doesn’t know how to get it to work until they decipher what it says, and so she then taps into the dark side and sees Endor. And that ties into “the quick and easy path” as Yoda calls it. Rey is slowly giving into the dark side.

CaptainFaraday said:

sherlockpotter said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Yes, but at some point you have to consider whether it’s worth removing parts of the film in order to accommodate for something that only some people take issue with.

On the other hand, Jar Jar, flip that around. A lot of people think the dagger plotline is stupid. Is it worth including all of that nonsense, just for the sake of one joke that only some people care about? If we have to cut a single joke in order for the story to actually make sense, I personally think that it’s worth it.

So it seems like the consensus is to use V2, but keep the “Heads up” line, and trim the gap before Rey starts talking?

I personally think the gap before Rey speaks should stay as it is, not trimmed. It lets the tension hang in the air a little more, and prevents the scene feeling rushed. The timing of the dialogue just feels more natural to me with it there.

If there’s a consensus in favour of cutting it, though, it’s not a hill I’d die on.

I agree.

I can see v1.2 being the one to pick, but I prefer v2. v1 doesn’t feel right. Him speaking before Rey feels way more natural.

Although out of his mind C-3PO being as sassy and conscious as regular C-3PO still doesn’t fully work for me either way, so maybe I’m wrong.

I’d like the timing of when he begins to speak from the first clip, the sound byte of him saying “I am a highly trained resistance spy!”, but with some sort of reaction shot of someone looking at 3PO annoyed perhaps?

Don’t need to stop the scene for way too long and have Iron Man slowly roll his eyes. But there needs to be something to make the joke punch, I think. I fear most people would go “wait, huh? what did he say? That was kinda awkward and fan edity.” And then the movie quickly continues talking about important things before you can fully process the joke, and the sequence is left with a weird feel to it.

Yeah, some line breaking it up in between would make it work. As is, it’s a little too sudden for Jannah to say they’ll help them, even with the later context of her being an ex-Stormtrooper. Her being so helpful immediately feels unnatural.

Edit: It feels too sudden dialogue wise. Cutting to silent reaction shots still doesn’t work for me either.

Would love to hear this. I like the rhyming a lot, and I think it’ll work so well with how creepy C-3PO looks and should sound during this sequence.

Burbin said:

If the edit can somehow properly, clearly convey it like this… then we have a winner here. Wow.

Let’s just go back to her pulling a compass out of the dagger. That was much better and way more convenient and satisfying!

I’m sure getting the highest quality source (maybe even the DNR version of 4K83) and adding some sort of filter over it and a recolour (all to match TROS) could pass enough to fit in for a split second shot. If we really wanted to show a before and after with ROTJ. I like the idea of it.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I said this before, but I really dislike the idea of removing anything else from the movie at this point. Much more interested in additions/changes.

RogueLeader said:

I think the dialogue discussions are interesting, but could be moved over to the General thread, rather than all of these discussions happening on Ascendant in particular. Especially since their more speculative, rather than serving some goal that has already been set for Ascendant.

Agree, not trying to be a Debbie Downer.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I would argue the tension is released when the stormtrooper is killed. Who the guy is after that shouldn’t keep the audience concerned.

This. Keep in mind the flow of the whole scene in the context of everything else. (This is a film after all, not a series of clips. debatable depending on who you ask…)
Tension begins to build with the gang on the move running in danger, rises to a peak with a Stormtrooper catching them… and then releases with getting rescued. Who is under the mask isn’t really supposed to be a suspenseful thing, we know he’s good because he helped them out.
Him mentioning Leia sending a transmission doesn’t detract from any hypothetical suspense either. He could be lying or it could have been this whole thing of Leia didn’t know this old friend of hers turned evil and sells the gang out. Just like a DJ character or something, whatever.

Also I just wanna add, Leia sending Lando a transmission can work with the both ideas that he was already on Pasaana or that he was not. I personally also prefer if he wasn’t doing a Luke 2.0 (he was just keeping low and wearing a mask around the galaxy.) Keeping the line about recieving a transmission helps out that headcanon by giving it more of an explanation, so hey.

I don’t know, I don’t really see the point of removing this one line. It really doesn’t change enough to be worth it to cut, so what’s the point. Just leave it be.

I felt the music that plays in the theatrical when The Flash realizes Superman can see him out of the corner of his eye was better. It was weirdly silent in the Snyder Cut and kinda sucked the comedy out of the little bit (it should be funny, Flash makes a funny face realizing).
Maybe I’m just used to the music cue selling the little sequence in the theatrical, and it’s not actually that good from an unbiased perspective, but I dunno. I definitely prefer it over the almost no music version that plays in the Snyder Cut.

And up for interpretation, that only a book can provide, for who the boy is.

I vote for the two-shot version.

I worry that first time watchers won’t immediately tell what exactly they’re looking at in the new lava shot.

Starting on a giant red ball. Then to a close-up of random formations of lava that are hard to tangibly grasp or even wrap your head around what angle the camera is facing (is it down towards the earth? In a way, it’s now a super fast zoom from space to the Mustafar ground or something.) Then an alternate closer angle, with the TIEs popping back into the motion of the scenes.

It’s a little all over the place and kinds breaks the pace.
I like showing some lava instead of immediately seeing the castle, but it needs more connective tissue.

One like that is a little too on the nose and kinda distracting to me.

Cinefy said:

Would have been really nice if the Sith cultist choir had echoed subtle DOTF, tried testing it a few times.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702816288342278207/822925192031764530/preview_DOTF.mp4

Could be pulled off a lot better.

I think I like this better, it’s subtle and not just here’s Duel Of The Fates!!! like some other edits to this part that I’ve seen. In the original movie, when I first hear the start of the chant, I clench up and prepare to hear the duel of the fates chant. But then it’s kinda anticlimactic and fizzles out lol. Here in this, it’s subtle enough that it’s actually a little Duel of the Fates and just generally sounds more satisfying.

Anyone else notice how Batman’s modulated voice was, like, turned off half the time? I noticed it first during the scene where they have to save Cyborg’s dad. It sounds like Ben Affleck (or honestly someone else) was just doing a super deep weird voice, and there was none of the digital voice altercation. I’d understand if he just had it off while around the team, but… it came and went. Was this just my copy? It was kinda distracting, lol.

If one was to not include any of the Whedon cut, then remove the bit where Wonder Woman and Batman awkwardly reach for the mouse at the same time in the Snyder Cut. That goes nowhere in this. But it would if we kept their little drama squabble and bantering from the Whedon cut. Not sure if that’s any good, been a while since I’ve seen it. And I dunno if it’s totally necessary (why would anyone make the movie longer than it already is…) But I didn’t really get a strong dynamic between them in Snyder Cut, and I did in the Whedon cut. So surely some of it can be used.

Aquaman desperately needs some stuff from the Whedon cut too. He felt even less of a character to me in the Snyder Cut, lol. It was almost funny how unnecessary he feels in the film. Might as well add more of the comedy to make him at least a little more memorable, relatable and likable. I dunno.

I’d opt to incorporate Batman having the Lois Lane plan for Superman. In Snyder Cut, Batman stands there and hopes his words and gauntlets work (only to just take them off) and just hopes that he doesn’t die. Lois just happens to be walking by (unless I missed something.) Again, it might have been more poorly written by Joss, but I liked that Batman had that plan. And I actually liked Superman holding Batman by the neck and reversing the Do You Bleed thing back at him (as potentially silly as it probably is), sans the stupid CGI face. I liked the closeup of Batman there, and it sounded like he genuinely understood the error of his ways.

These were my bigger initial fanediting thoughts as I watched it.

Oh yeah no, I wasn’t suggesting anyone actually try to recolour her clothes for the rest of the movie lol. I was just trying to say that the idea of a clothes colour swap only really works if it’s going from dark to light colours in Rey’s case. A whole new outfit incorporating some darker colours into the design would be it. Because I don’t think there’s much design space to add colour to it without it, yeah, clearly looking recoloured. And on top of that, it still doesn’t work right thematically.

If she turned evil in the end, then I’d be all for her wearing dark.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to have Rey wearing dark clothes throughout the film, then end on her wearing white? Like Luke in his all black ensemble and the white flap at the very end. Black and dark gray colour clothes in Star Wars thematically means evil, or conflicted at the very least. What’s the message of her wearing some darker colours at the end of this? sorry if im missing something.

Edit: Is it that she’s now okay about her evil Palpy heritage, and wearing dark at the end is like a badge of honour? “Here are my scars, but I’m really a Skywalker at heart.”? Is that necessary? I’d prefer it if “Rey Skywalker.” was her first time wearing all white in the film, if things were different.

Similar to Justice League, however, TROS is still kinda fundamentally flawed, even if you add cut footage back in. Ugh.

sade1212 said:

Anyone else get slightly irritated every single time anyone calls Kylo Ren just “Ren”? Especially in this movie, since it establishes there are other Knights of Ren. IIRC in TLJ when it’s shortened, it’s shortened to Kylo (like in the real world), and Rey calls him Ben for the latter half of the movie. Obviously it doesn’t make sense for her to call him Ben early on in TROS because that’d ruin the impact of the moment when she does, but I would’ve enjoyed more consistent use of either Kylo or Ren across the movies.

Anyway, obviously it’s not feasible to change it, but my point is that cutting “Ren’s ship” is one fewer uses of “Ren” instead of “Kylo”, which I see as a good thing.

Well… Obi-Wan calls Darth Vader just “Darth”…

And they like to rhyme everything, including original trilogy inconsistent mistakes like that, so I dunno. Maybe it’s a reference to that? Probably not.

It’d be better to chop out the frames on your own if anything. I doubt they would release something not 1:1 with the theatrical cuts going forward; that’s the whole point of 4KXX’s existence.

If First Order presence on a planet makes no sense with also having a puppet show… then just say that the one patrol trooper in that densely populated village had a lot of ground to cover.

I’m sure you could write a wookieepedia article about the guy who runs this puppet show. I bet he has a rich backstory and history of trying to teach kids the real truth about the universe as the evil dictatorship breathes down his neck, unaware of his secret antics. Whatever, lol.