CO said:
Hoth-Nudist said:
Im right there with ya GF. I dont really think Luca$ is a trickster, just an overrated, talentless shmo that got lucky and made lots of shrewd business decisions. Personally I dont hold Luca$ in the same light as I did from 77'-99'. I used to think the world of him. For the past 13 years Ive learned the UOT to be a collaborative effort, but with Luca$ name on it. Originally George just wanted to make a Flash Gordon film, when that was rejected, he cobbled a bunch of space characters/ideas around on paper, and with TONS of collaborative help and editing and direction from REAL creative minds, we got ANH in 77. Years ago at TF.N we had a forum called the "bashers sanctuary", which was created at the time of TPM, for obvious reasons. Its shut down now, but I do recall there being many articles posted on Luca$'s original unedited scripts for the OT. They were as circus-bad as the writing for the prequals. I find it a blessing that Luca$ had executives telling him what he can't do and honest colleagues standing up to his silly ideas. All in all I dont think Luca$ a trickster, but I do think he has held a grudge against all the people REALLY responsible for making the UOT spectacular, and has gone to great lengths to change and distort the UOT in order to avoid paying royalties and to thumb his nose at them.
HN, we go back to the TFN days at the Bashers Sancttuary, and I think both sides goes too far in praise and criticism of Lucas.
I think the Pro-PT think Lucas had EVERYTHING to do with the success of SW, and think of him like a God and state that when they say, "Its his movies, so he can do what he wants with them." So in that respect, they're wrong as they were more collaborative and there were others should be acknowledged for the success of SW.
But I think our side is wrong sometimes when they say Lucas is a talentless hack. You can make that argument today, as I believe once he built Lucasfilm he was never going to be that renegade director who tooks chances. But we must acknowledge whether it was collaborative or not, that he deserves alot of credit for the OT movies. Of course Kersh, Kasdan, Kurtz, Hirsch, Marcia Lucas and others should get credit, and the 7 Academy Awards will always make that point.
I have always said Lucas is a like an athlete or musician and he was making SW in his prime, and making the PT well PAST his prime. I mean Jedi isn't as great as SW and ESB, but that happens in every movie series. Lucas isn't a GOD, but he's not a hack either. He just a jerk for not releasing the OOT.
I see your point GF, W_C and CO, and appreciate your opinions. I agree that both sides do go too far, and Ive been guilty of that every so often. Currently , Im trying to accept the fact the Luca$ did what he did, they're his movies. But after all Ive read the past 13 years, and observing Luca$'s behavior, not to mention the shoddy prequals, I stand by my earlier post. But, my main frustration is from his not making the UOT on bluray.
