Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Ryan McAvoy said:
Plus ROTJ introduces us to great characters like Jabba and The Emperor who are easily as good as ESB new characters (Lando and Boba).
Disagree with you there... the best new character in ESB is YODA, the best of the bunch.
Can't believe he forgot Yoda?
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
I like how the emperor at the end acts as though he is enjoying inflicting pain on Luke. The more Luke writhes in pain, the more the emperor smiles like he's getting off on it. I know it would be more complex and sophisticated if there remained some ambiguity about the balance between order and freedom. But I think a lot of what the empire, Vader, and the emperor did is more easily explained when you realize that at the center of it all is this crazy man who is just bad, and just enjoys hurting people
im sure if the Emperor had a wallet it had 'Bad MotherF***er' written on it.:)
The power behind the Empire was to be big and imposing and strike fear throughout the Galaxy. That's how the Emperor liked to roll. They did learn the lessons from the 1st Death Star. While construction was being completed it was being protected by the force field. I'm sure once it was all done it would've been able to generate its own field. Access to the inners for repairs and stuff meant there had to be big shafts. Otherwise, how are you going to carry out such work? It wasn't meant to be a weakness, they were there for practical purposes.
NeverarGreat said:
With Star Wars, pretty much everyone is in agreement as to what is cool about it. There's no need to defend it. Same with Empire.
Jedi however is uneven. There are brilliant bits, and some of the worst moments in the trilogy. I think that watching the first two can make you think that Star Wars is naturally awesome and this is its natural state. When you watch Jedi, you realize just how badly things could go, and how easily. It is the trilogy at its best and its worst, and for this it seems the most relatable, the most, should I say, human. If that makes any sense.
Hmm not really. A film having flaws doesn't make it more relatable IMO. A story with flawed characters makes it relatable. Not a flawed story. That's poor story writing. The characters and story of Empire (and Star Wars to a lesser extent) were pretty much spot on.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Hey, it's me. said:
And your right, whoever puts ROTS close to Jedi needs a labotomy. Or has already had one.
TPM and AOTC provided the lobotomy.
Reverend!
TV's Frink said:
Hey, it's me. said:
Now ya see, ya said Chuck Testa there which is obviously an American 'joke' I was totally unaware of. I looked it up and can't see the comedy in it. I suppose you had to be around at the time (shrug) if I started quoting Blackadder (I'm from the UK) and Red Dwarf you'd have no idea what I was going on about. Did you quote it to belittle me so other members would find it funny? Maybe I've got you all wrong?
But I've heard of Black Adder and Red Dwarf.
And I only said "Chuck Testa" so that xhonzi didn't have to. Had nothing to do with you.
Forgive me Frink I'm new here. Still trying to understand what everyone's about. Must apologise.
Jabba and the Emperor were quality. Only 2 aspects of the film gave it a slight tinge of disappointment (I won't go into those) but they didnt detract from the overall enjoyment of the film. And your right, whoever puts ROTS close to Jedi needs a labotomy. Or has already had one.
Now ya see, ya said Chuck Testa there which is obviously an American 'joke' I was totally unaware of. I looked it up and can't see the comedy in it. I suppose you had to be around at the time (shrug) if I started quoting Blackadder (I'm from the UK) and Red Dwarf you'd have no idea what I was going on about. Did you quote it to belittle me so other members would find it funny? Maybe I've got you all wrong?
Heartbreak Ridge?..
Yep, that's him.
TV's Frink said:
Hey, it's me. said:
By the way, I've come to regard Frink as the 'Tom Highway' of this forum. Ya know, the grizzled ol' vet who's seen it all come n go. And who doesn't suffer fools gladly lol
I don't know what this means, so...thanks?
You don't know who Tom Highway is?
By the way, I've come to regard Frink as the 'Tom Highway' of this forum. Ya know, the grizzled ol' vet who's seen it all come n go. And who doesn't suffer fools gladly lol
I certainly don't hate ROTJ, far from it in fact. It was the 1st OT film I saw at the cinema as a kid, so I will always love it on that basis alone. I don't think a film can be made entirely around the premise of selling merchandise (as some have said) but it was certainly lacking that 'something' the previous instalments had. Could it have been better? Offcourse. Everyone will have their own ideas of how they would've made it better, me included. But, it is was it is I'm afraid. A competent final act of an epic trilogy that should've been so much more but, regrettably, failed to live up to the previous instalments. (Especially part 2 lol)
DuracellEnergizer said:
Hey, it's me. said:
Who would you rather, Leia or Padme? (Sorry, not a pertinent question I know. But one that needs asking I feel :))
From a physical standpoint, Leia. When taking the personality into account, however, I'd have to go with Leia.
The personality decision was a no brainer. Padme didnt have a personality.
SilverWook said:
With a 2015 release date, the wheels on this thing have probably been turning far longer than anyone thought. It wouldn't surprise me if there's concept art already being done.
This is what I think. Read today that Disney has sent Fisher a personal trainer so she can get in shape. Leads me to believe we may be looking for shooting to begin before the years out. Possibly after the summer, say Sept/Oct time?
SilverWook said:
When universes collide!
And Erin Gray is still a major space babe in my book. ;)
Ditto to that!
SilverWook said:
imperialscum said:
twister111 said:
Cute. :)
Well there is something I like about AOTC after all.
Natalie's AOTC outfit gave me pleasant 1970's flashbacks first time I saw her in it.
Mmm...Erin Gray..she was sweeeeeet!!
That's incredible. Hats off to the man, it looks brilliant!
Who would you rather, Leia or Padme? (Sorry, not a pertinent question I know. But one that needs asking I feel :))
DuracellEnergizer said:
NeverarGreat said:
Hey, it's me. said:
imperialscum said:
Diego said:
Speaking of which, what the hell was Luke's plan for rescuing Han? As much as I love ROTJ, I've never been able to make any sense of the plan.
Here is how I see it. First he sent Lando to infiltrate and get familiar with Jabba's habits. He found out that Jabba care about his rancor and that his worst punishment is throwing people into Sarlacc pit. So Killing his rancor would ensure "Sarlacc". Luke knew he couldn't defeat all the thugs and bounty hunters packed together in Jabba's palace so he intended to confine them to the sail barge through "Sarlacc punishment". In order to guarantee Solo will be part of the punishment, Luke sent Leia and Cheewie to melt him out of the carbon. He knew he would be stripped of his lightsabre after killing rancor therefore he hid it into R2 so he was able to use it at the Sarlacc pit.
Yes I know this plan could be ruined by a single flaw but still... that is the only reasonable way I can think of.
I understood it this way. Now initially, Lando was sent undercover for reconnaissance. How long he'd been there? Who knows? Now this left Leia, Chewie and the droids. Leia concocts her plan to disguise herself as a BH with the wookie as her captive. And remember, Luke isn't around at this point. So what are they supposed to do? Hang around til he turns up with a plan? They've got to try something. Leia fails which leaves the droids. Luke turns up and gets the SP from the droids of what's been going on and that no one has returned. So Luke devises a plan to send the droids ahead with a message from himself prior to his arrival. Now Jabba being the infamous gangster he is, Luke knows full well his offer will be spurned. So giving R2 the lightsabre is back up. Luke now has full control over his powers and his sabre is a last resort. IF he gets captured lke the others, Jabba will not be in possession of his lightsabre. No one knew how it was going to pan out? That's ridiculous. It was a risk which had to be taken.
I think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be. Through the Force, Luke saw the future. He saw how everything was going to go down, and sent in everyone as his vision dictated. The only thing that he was unsure of was how Jabba would react to his offer, as Jabba is the only being there who can thwart Luke's power. When Jabba sentences them to the Sarlacc, you can see Luke nodding as if remembering his vision. At this point, he knows that nothing will prevent Jabba's death, as he is simply acting out his vision of the future as seen through the Force. The fact that everything works out in the end simply means that Luke trusts the Force.
That makes things boring, IMO.
Precisely. And if Luke was 'supposedly' unsure how Jabba would react to his offer then how could his force vision of the future be accurate and play out how he had seen? Explaining things like this with the 'it was the will of the force' is a cop out, its utter nonsense. When Yoda tells Luke the "future you will see" its meant in a subjective way. It's not literal and fact. It's what could be. The whole Han rescue was not planned out by Luke from the beginning. I don't buy that for 1 second. Sorry.
You'd get very good odds on that bet. I'd call it a 'banker' :)
Great pics! Where are their sort from the behind the scenes of the PT? (Silence..tumbleweed..
NeverarGreat said:
Hey, it's me. said:
imperialscum said:
Diego said:
Speaking of which, what the hell was Luke's plan for rescuing Han? As much as I love ROTJ, I've never been able to make any sense of the plan.
Here is how I see it. First he sent Lando to infiltrate and get familiar with Jabba's habits. He found out that Jabba care about his rancor and that his worst punishment is throwing people into Sarlacc pit. So Killing his rancor would ensure "Sarlacc". Luke knew he couldn't defeat all the thugs and bounty hunters packed together in Jabba's palace so he intended to confine them to the sail barge through "Sarlacc punishment". In order to guarantee Solo will be part of the punishment, Luke sent Leia and Cheewie to melt him out of the carbon. He knew he would be stripped of his lightsabre after killing rancor therefore he hid it into R2 so he was able to use it at the Sarlacc pit.
Yes I know this plan could be ruined by a single flaw but still... that is the only reasonable way I can think of.
I understood it this way. Now initially, Lando was sent undercover for reconnaissance. How long he'd been there? Who knows? Now this left Leia, Chewie and the droids. Leia concocts her plan to disguise herself as a BH with the wookie as her captive. And remember, Luke isn't around at this point. So what are they supposed to do? Hang around til he turns up with a plan? They've got to try something. Leia fails which leaves the droids. Luke turns up and gets the SP from the droids of what's been going on and that no one has returned. So Luke devises a plan to send the droids ahead with a message from himself prior to his arrival. Now Jabba being the infamous gangster he is, Luke knows full well his offer will be spurned. So giving R2 the lightsabre is back up. Luke now has full control over his powers and his sabre is a last resort. IF he gets captured lke the others, Jabba will not be in possession of his lightsabre. No one knew how it was going to pan out? That's ridiculous. It was a risk which had to be taken.
I think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be. Through the Force, Luke saw the future. He saw how everything was going to go down, and sent in everyone as his vision dictated. The only thing that he was unsure of was how Jabba would react to his offer, as Jabba is the only being there who can thwart Luke's power. When Jabba sentences them to the Sarlacc, you can see Luke nodding as if remembering his vision. At this point, he knows that nothing will prevent Jabba's death, as he is simply acting out his vision of the future as seen through the Force. The fact that everything works out in the end simply means that Luke trusts the Force.
Hmm I like to think Luke turned up and decided to take a risk seeing as though everything else had failed. Not that Leia, Chewy getting captured were conducive to his 'grand plan' as seen through the force. Remember he wasnt a Jedi at that point, no matter what he thought (as Yoda later told him)
imperialscum said:
Diego said:
Speaking of which, what the hell was Luke's plan for rescuing Han? As much as I love ROTJ, I've never been able to make any sense of the plan.
Here is how I see it. First he sent Lando to infiltrate and get familiar with Jabba's habits. He found out that Jabba care about his rancor and that his worst punishment is throwing people into Sarlacc pit. So Killing his rancor would ensure "Sarlacc". Luke knew he couldn't defeat all the thugs and bounty hunters packed together in Jabba's palace so he intended to confine them to the sail barge through "Sarlacc punishment". In order to guarantee Solo will be part of the punishment, Luke sent Leia and Cheewie to melt him out of the carbon. He knew he would be stripped of his lightsabre after killing rancor therefore he hid it into R2 so he was able to use it at the Sarlacc pit.
Yes I know this plan could be ruined by a single flaw but still... that is the only reasonable way I can think of.
I understood it this way. Now initially, Lando was sent undercover for reconnaissance. How long he'd been there? Who knows? Now this left Leia, Chewie and the droids. Leia concocts her plan to disguise herself as a BH with the wookie as her captive. And remember, Luke isn't around at this point. So what are they supposed to do? Hang around til he turns up with a plan? They've got to try something. Leia fails which leaves the droids. Luke turns up and gets the SP from the droids of what's been going on and that no one has returned. So Luke devises a plan to send the droids ahead with a message from himself prior to his arrival. Now Jabba being the infamous gangster he is, Luke knows full well his offer will be spurned. So giving R2 the lightsabre is back up. Luke now has full control over his powers and his sabre is a last resort. IF he gets captured lke the others, Jabba will not be in possession of his lightsabre. No one knew how it was going to pan out? That's ridiculous. It was a risk which had to be taken.
georgec said:
ray_afraid said:
georgec said:
The best aspects of Jedi are on par with the best parts in the other films.
Absolutely. Mark Hamil's performance is his best in the series and the stuff between Luke, Vader and the emperor is great.
Not only that, I just never had a problem with Ewoks. Their presence might seem silly, and I can concede that the battle with the stormtroopers is a bit uneven in allowing the imperial forces to be so easily overtaken by Ewoks hitting their helmets with sticks. But, it simply doesn't detract from the movie for me.
That's right. Seeing the ewoks appear didnt make me suddenly dismiss the whole film. "What the f**k are those things? And what the f**k are they doing to the stor..? Never entered my mind. They're part of it. And if you've bought into the film and the story, then you won't question it.
