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#66831
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Help Wanted: A little audio help for/from those making fan-edit DVDs...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66831/action/topic#66831
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That's a good question. More than likely you would either a) have to lose the surround, create new wavs using the score and the new voices. Go through 'phases' to quiet the dialogue to place in each channel for that scene, and replace all the sound effects by editing them out and then back in. b) well, there is no b, because I don't know of another way.
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#66598
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Kevin Smith question
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66598/action/topic#66598
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Since we are talking about Kevin Smith, why wasn't he in the DVD Feature about directors influenced by Star Wars? He makes so many references to the films along with a film based (somewhat) on making a Star Wars-esque film, that I would have thought him a lock for that feature. Instead, we get Ridley Scott, who is a great director in his own right, but really only had his point of view 'changed' for ALIEN, not inspired to take said career path.

Blah.
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#66545
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It is truly a matter of time
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66545/action/topic#66545
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Lucas is a film maker first, business man second. I'll accept your badmouthing him on not giving you the OT, but I won't accept you discredting his ability as an 'artist'. The man knows what makes a story, from Greek Mythology, to English legends, to Samuri tales. He was good friends with Joseph Campbell, the uttmost authority on all things myth throughout history. Listening to him talk on Charlie Rose's program, I rediscovered the feeling of admiration I had for Lucas before I let the mentalities of Internet Message boards degrade him. He is a visionary in storytelling and the technical aspects of making film.

The 'story' of the prequels is good. The execution (mostly editing) is where it fails. When you see all 6 films together you will understand the diffrences in the tone, pacing and approach. You basically go from the story of a grand republic with knights as it's guardians to a renegade rebellion against an empire, after almost 10 years of Civil War. The tones are obviously going to be diffrent.

Anyways, this isn't really directed at anyone in particular. It's just something I wanted to get off my chest. In the anger many have over the changes, let's not lose sight of the wonderful story telling that takes place. Hell, the Jabba scene in ANH is almost neccesary if you look at the movies as a Saga. If he is not in EP III, what you have is a character who disappears at the end of EP II, reappears in EP IV in a "I'm still here/What's he doing there" cameo, to EPV "Oh crap, he's back and this is what he was doing in EP V, to EP VI in which his name is uttered on screen for the first time in '25 timeline years' and he meets his doom.
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#66395
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What original versions? There is no such thing!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66395/action/topic#66395
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Originally posted by: Bossk
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
To quote Vera Farmiga:
"Yeah, uh...thank you Sir Alec Guiness"


I know who Vera Farmiga is, but where did this quote come from out of curiosity?



The pilot episode of Touching Evil. David something to her like 'You'll blah blah blah" very sage like, and she starts to respond, stops, looks at him and off hand says, "Yeah, thank you Sir Alec Guiness." and then carries on with her response.
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#66215
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Help Wanted: A little audio help for/from those making fan-edit DVDs...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66215/action/topic#66215
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Originally posted by: Figrin__Dan
What program are you using to rip the AC3 track?

I used Smart Ripper, I tried it with DVD Decrypter too but couldn't get a final AC3 file.

I'm going to try DVD Decrypter again, maybe Smart Ripper didn't rip the 5.1 channels into the AC3 file or something.



Yeah, DVD Decrypter is the best way to go. Be sure to remove the French, Spanish and English 2.0 tracks through Stream processing. I left all the subtitles on, simply because I felt like it, but you could take them off too.
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#66212
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Help Wanted: A little audio help for/from those making fan-edit DVDs...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66212/action/topic#66212
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi[/i
"Hope that helps. I am still getting the sped up version of my AC3."

HL, do you have a Hex editor? I know than when I've turned my 2-channel recording into a 6-channel recording, I have to go in and change the WAV header. It sounds to me like the header information might be messed up.

Do the individual wav files sound okay by themselves? Do you have a Hex editor? After you edited your files, did you save them at 44Khz or 48 Khz?

Hardcore Legend, please turn on your PMs.


Yes, each individual WAV plays fine.

No, I don't have a hex editor, and even if I did I am not fimiliar with the process. The source for the 5.1 audio comes straight from the new dvds released today. When I encoded the wavs, I matched the bitrate and quality from the soundtrack to the dvd files as to not have problems when I mixed the two files into 1 mono wav. The files are at 48000 khz, 768 kbps and 16 bit mono. Two problems I have run into are not being able to remux them into an AC3 and then when accomplishing it through a batch, it is sped up and only at 300 someodd kbps. I want to preserve the quality for the audio and video. I made no conversions or re-encodes and kept everything at the dvds standards.

I had Adobe Premiere 6.0, but it turned into more of a hassle than a help. Video quality constantly had to be re-encoded down for it to handle it, the audio output leaves something to be desired. However, the transitions and filters are nice.

My PMs are now on. I thought I had switched them on before. Probably explains why I never got PMs back EVER from people I sent them to.
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#66164
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Help Wanted: A little audio help for/from those making fan-edit DVDs...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66164/action/topic#66164
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Can you tell me what settings you used for Besweet?

On the top row, where you choose 'Use AC3 Decoder', that option was the only one I checked. All others on that row are turned off, and everywhere else for that matter.
The only other options selected are under 'Log File' and 'General - > Color all supported switches'.

Hope that helps. I am still getting the sped up version of my AC3. Sony Vegas is a $600 program and I'm not really too enthusiastic to spend that kind of money on a program that I'll only use 15-20 times a year. I'll probably give it one more try and then give up.
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#66160
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Help Wanted: A little audio help for/from those making fan-edit DVDs...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66160/action/topic#66160
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Thanks man. Yeah I do use Besweet Gui. It lets you set the input and output. For the input I set the AC3 and for the output I select "6 separate wavs". Is this what you did? When I do this, I get 6 wavs alright, but 4 of them are 700mb worth of silence while the other 2 tracks contain all the sounds. I've definitely ripped the 6 channel AC3 and not the 2 channel file too. Its really frustrating me!


I've never gotten a wav file that was 700 mb. Of course, I like to do the films in sections, so that may be why. I'm not sure why you are getting that, unless your original source isn't 5.1 If it isn't, then yes, you will get those silent files. Other than that, I can't figure out why you are having problems. Check Doom9 for all the filters and plugins, and hopefully that will resolve your problem.

MeBeJedi,
What I have are the SE re-releases of the OT soundtracks. On them are included stereo recordings of the original soundtracks, with the included never before used tracks. Also included are alternate cues, such as the alternate Binary Sun theme, as opposed to the reuse of Obi-Wan's.

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#66147
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Help Wanted: A little audio help for/from those making fan-edit DVDs...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66147/action/topic#66147
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Well, I am not sure why you recieved the messed up files. However, use BeSweetGUI. It is much simpler to navigate. You select the AC3 and where you want the WAVS to go. Hit the AC3 to WAV button, sit back and watch.

I figured out how to recompress the files, unfortunately now they sound like the chipmunks. So, I'm tinkering with that.
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#66139
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Help Wanted: A little audio help for/from those making fan-edit DVDs...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/66139/action/topic#66139
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I got through watching the trilogy on DVD today (yes, I know BLASPHEMY!), but I quickly dove into it and worked on some editing. To do so, I had to break the AC3 Dolby Digital sound down into individual mono WAVS. Well, I have done all my editing and I’m ready to recompile the WAVS into an AC3 until I realized, I don’t have the foggest how to.

I thought I could simply use the program I already had and re-encode, but that doesn’t do it. So now I’m turning to you fans out there who have done anything in the realm of digital video editing. Especially MagnoliaFan. All of your edits have been in Dolby Surround, and I assumed you used an AC3 file or something of that effect for your audio.

I also open this thread up to others to post questions or tips about other ‘fan-editing’ techniques. Hopefully if one question is answered it can help someone along the way.

So…

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#65122
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Editing the '2oo4 Editions' - which changes would you revert?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65122/action/topic#65122
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Not bad at all. The way to fix your drop off problem is to either use the ambient noise from the Original ESB mixes or isolate the channel for the ambient noise from the new mix. Have this play the entire time, not edited. Then the sound will not fall off. Also, if you could get access to the ESB: SE soundtracks on CD, they prove a great asset as I was able to do about the first 10 minutes of the film with Williams original score.
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#65118
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Question: Why is Greedo different?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65118/action/topic#65118
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"The way it was cobbled together at the time, it came off that [Han] fired first. He didn't fire first."
...
"It's a correction. [When I made Star Wars] I said, 'Well, I don't have that shot, so I'll just fudge it editorially.' In my mind [Greedo] shot first or at the same time. We like to think of [Han Solo] as a murderer because that's hip-I don't think that's a good thing for people. I mean, I don't see how you could redeem somebody who kills in cold blood."

In Enterainment Weekly, on newstands now.
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#65046
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It is truly a matter of time
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65046/action/topic#65046
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Originally posted by: RowMan
Nice try, Jimbo, but you know that most people here want the original films as they were presented in '77, '80, and '83. The documentary in no way contains all of the original footage necessary to do this properly. C'mon.


Well, I think that all that is really missing that isn't shown in the doc is Han shooting first. Of course, unless you mean without ANY tweak (being extended corridor or changes in text on screens) then I don't know what to tell you.
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#64545
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64545/action/topic#64545
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Originally posted by: [Lucas wanted to give us Lukes perspective on things...
we're contantly seeing things from looks point of view...
thats just what i think anyway...

plus i just dont believe anything that comes out of Lucas' mouth anymore


Actually, we are seeing everything from the Driods point of view. Thus, we are introduced to them first and they lead us to all the principles. Of course, when it comes to the Empire, it gets alittle fuzzy, but I think you get the gist.
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#64317
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64317/action/topic#64317
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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
It may just be me, but I've never pictured Star Wars to be all about Darth Vader. I can see it in Episodes I-III, but not IV-VI. That was definitely more of the story of Luke. Vader was a major player, but I wouldn't consider him the star.

Patrick


I agree and disagree. On the surface it looks like the story of Luke Skywalker. But if you look at the films alittle deeper, you will see that everything that happens in the films are a result of Darth Vader, and thus Anakin Skywalker. Vader/Skywalker is the thread that ties everything together. So, like I said....I agree and disagree.

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#64312
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64312/action/topic#64312
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Originally posted by: Patrick R.
I wonder how placing Hayden Christensen as a ghost over Sebastian Shaw at the end of ROTJ is an improvement. That is one of the biggest screw-ups yet. You know why? It wasn't Darth Vader who picked up the Emporer and threw him down the Death Star's chasm. It also wasn't Darth Vader who asked Luke to, "Take this mask off, so that I can look on you with my own eyes.". It was Anakin Skywalker. He died as Sebastian Shaw and that is how his ghost should have remained (except not all mangled). Lucas has really lost it.

Patrick


I know the scene was short, but did it look to you as if Yoda had labored breathing or was coughing, struggling to stand in the final ghost shots? I wondered, because when he died, by your definition his physical ailments should have transcended into the spiritual self.
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#64149
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Star Wars Media Day
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/64149/action/topic#64149
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
wow both great links...
looks like Kershner didnt like GL SE after all....
someone should show jimbo this so he stops his rants on how Kershner preferred the changes made to the SE

That may be how you read it, but I read it as he is ambigous. He doesn't care either way. If he were outraged, Kershner strikes me as the type of man that would say so.

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#63934
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2004 DVD, Changes in Sound?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/63934/action/topic#63934
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This is more than likely an instance of Burtt going back to the stems and finding the original audio. Alot of the audio intended to be used for the film was replaced in order to make the soundtrack 'work' for the original release. Diffrent takes, alternate dialogue, things of this nature were used to fit all 6 stems in.

Then again, I could be way off.