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#108063
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Luke's ROTS Review (plot holes included)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/108063/action/topic#108063
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Couple of things:

Want to make sure that everyone knows that the security hologram WAS not from the office, but rather in the Jedi Temple. If you rewatch it, you will see it is a different exchange.

Yes, that is probably a continuity error with the Emperor line, as Obi Wan calls him the Chancellor during the rest of the film.

Burn victims have difficulty breathing on their own, but can do so without the appareatus. It's difficult and they couldn't get through every day life, but they can make it. Also, that room could have very much been like an iron lung, as was Vader's little pod on the Executor. We don't know.
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#107892
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a fresh rant about ep.3
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107892/action/topic#107892
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Originally posted by: TIEBomber70Why is ESB considered to be the best film overall, superior even to ANH? My opinion is it's the direction. GL should have found a suitable director for ROTS, but its all water under the bridge at this point. I submitted a review on IMDB reflecting this point of view, and I'll close with the the same close there: I'll wait for Magnoliafan's version.



Empire is considered better than Star Wars, partly because of directing, but more because of the tone and pacing of the film. It's more somber, with ending on a downer note. Instead of some giant celebration which was totally impractical. The Rebels destroyed the Death Star, yay! Apparently they forgot about all the Star Destroyers that now know EXACTLY where they are. They should probably chill on Yavin for awhile, get all gussied up and line all the troops up in one spot so it would just take one laser cannon blast to crush the Rebellion.

While at the same time alot of the 'best movie ever stuff' will die down, so will alot the the OT diehards that feel they must defend the sanctity of the OT against a possibly good PT film.
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#107746
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107746/action/topic#107746
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
"will Dooku be revealed as a Sith Lord or is he still just a fallen Jedi who got suckered?"

Dooku was a Sith Lord, Darth Tyrannus.


Not necessarily...
In fact, late in the film, Obi-Wan may even mention that Dooku was right all along...


But I would assume that Obi-Wan would still believe that Dooku was fooled, much like Anakin. I mean, we don't want to comprimise Obi Wan's moral standing here.

You're edit is your own, but sitting here re-reading the script, alot of the dialogue between Obi Wan and Anakin is great at the beginning of the film. I would cut down the space between "Hold on, you're not helping anything" and then "You're right, bad idea". There is a weird space between the responses that kills the comedic timing. However, one line that is CLASSIC: Wait a minute, how'd this happen! We're smarter than this.
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#107729
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107729/action/topic#107729
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Watch it. Professin admiration for anything Lucas does could get you shot at by certain members of this forum who shall remain namless. *coughbecauseidontwanttofalselyaccuseanyeonecough*

I can't really speak for MagFan, but as far as I know the current versions of Ballance and Clone War are the final versions. You could ask him yourself... I agree that the alien dialogue tracks are very distracting.




Check the EP III: Fan edit thread. He talks about these.
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#107742
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The character of Obi Wan
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107742/action/topic#107742
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I think, one of the main things about the prequel trilogy is how it fleshes out Obi Wan Kenobi. While I could go on and on, I wanted to quickly point out what brought about this thread:

While watching Star Wars, the scene in which Obi Wan has the talk with Luke in the hut about the days that would make up the prequel trilogy, you just have to have a smirk on your face the whole time he is talking. Alec Guiness, through pure luck, plays the whole thing as if he is hiding ALOT from Luke. I don't know if it was intended at the time, or just Guiness's nature. However, now that we know the way Lucas wanted the past to play out, you can almost feel Obi Wan manipulating Luke to get him to join him as he had one day hoped he would. Everything from the droid showing up, to Luke's involvement is all very "Now is the time"ish. I think it makes the scenes that much better.

Of course, I'm sure most will disagree.
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#107605
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107605/action/topic#107605
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Well, I think you can leave Maul as Maul in the first film, because doing so allows for the 'REVEAL' when the camera pans in tight on Greivous eyes. I think using a simple audio editor, you can alter GG voice to a lower, slower tone that will be closer to that of Maul's, but yet different enough as was Vader's. The whole point is to shock the viewer when you get close up and all of a sudden, he is Maul underneath. Even change the blade colors to Red for his sabers and leave the other Jedi's alone.

I too, would like to know what this Obi-Wan edit in the OT is about. :grin.
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#107717
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Stages Of Accepting the Prequel Trilogy
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107717/action/topic#107717
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I've always feared that George would die before the age of 90 and thus the Star Wars universe would cease to exist.

He's made it pretty clear that it is his vision and his alone. Video games and other merchandise will continue, but films, cartoons, television shows will not. The door is always open for 7, 8 and 9 as long as he is alive. The television show will continue without him, but only when he approves the scripts. If he isn't there to give creative decisions Star Wars won't exist, as it should be.
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#107681
Topic
a fresh rant about ep.3
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107681/action/topic#107681
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1's and 0's are computer code. On and off.

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Now that it is all over I bet you Ewan will be coming clean about how bad an experience it was. After all, he was a huge fan too, he must feel really let down and humiliated. I may return to comment on particular individual gripes about ROTS but it is getting late and that could take some time.


I doubt it. Most critics have heralded this last prequel film. Not only that, but most of those that aren't geeky fan-boys have had their hugest complaints with things such as Jar Jar and others that were geared more towards children. Most have spoken about how well Christiansen and Portman were on screen together in this film. If you think that the acting was bad in this film (ROTS) then don't aim it towards George. He hired a dialogue coach to work with most of the actors as he would be too busy this time around with the action.

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I'm a 34 yr old guy from the UK who was just the right age when watching Star Wars for the first time in 1977.


That would make you 6 when the original was released. I highly doubt that dialogue and acting were something you were looking at with a harsh eye at the time. If you go back and really look at the acting in the originals, they really aren't they great from certain actors. There is a reason Mark Hamill hasn't had a film career after being in three of the most popular films of all time. Sure, there are some great actors giving great performances (JEJ, Frank Oz, Ford, Sir Alec, Ian) but there are PLENTY of bad ones. Jabba the Hutt? Are you kidding me. Talk about pacing, ANH is the SLOWEST film from the introduction of the driods until we meet Obi Wan. Large amounts of silence and non-action. It isn't until we get to the jumping off point 'Mos Eisley' that the film actually picks up a tolerable speed. Dialogue? How about the celebration on Yavin? How about the X-Wing pilot APOLOGIZING for having been shot in the battle? Please.

The OT is ripe with much of what you have complained about the PT having. Is the PT better? No, of course not. ROTS is the only one that I hold in the class of the other films. However, to rail against them as if the OT was perfection is a bit misguided. You were a child when you first saw them, so bad dialogue wouldn't have burned you as bad. As you grew up watching them, you would have been used to most of the bad dialogue and not cared. Most of the children that have left my theater have been loving it, eating it up, as I'm sure you were at 6.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I'm a big QT fan, but he would have done unspeakable damage to this franchise and Soderburgh seems to have lost his talented directing style over his last few films.

The PT isn't the OT, it was never intended to be. The characters were not intended to be the same. Anakin's angst is different than that of Luke's. There is common thread, but they were never to be carbon copies. The tone of the films changes as they would over a 40 year span.
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#107547
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107547/action/topic#107547
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"Because, I don't understand why he decided to quit at that point. Well, I do, but the falling cape just doesn't impress."

I didn't quite get that reference. What does it mean? (To you, anyways.) I kinda wondered as to what prompted his "Into exile, I must go" line, so in that respect, you are right - putting the Qui-gon V.O. there would be an excellent idea.


It doesn't make any sense to me, really. Much like the Yoda meditaiting scene didn't make any sense until I found that there was a deleted section there. It just seems like there was something intended to be there, but is missing.

Anyone else notice the dialogue change on Mustafar? When Padme says "Obi Wan told me terrible things" and Anakin replies "What things?" His mouth moved really weird. I watched it again yesterday and realized that he originally said "Like What". Probably something they had changed in post.
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#107535
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107535/action/topic#107535
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You say you have Qui Gonn dialogue elsewhere. Watching the film, I thought it would be brilliant to have him do a voiceover (ala Obi Wan) when Yoda is laying down on the floor of the Senate looking up. Because, I don't understand why he decided to quit at that point. Well, I do, but the falling cape just doesn't impress.

In case none of you knew, ROTS made $108 million this weekend, plus the 50 on Thursday, putting it at $158 million + for 4 days. WOW!
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#107402
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107402/action/topic#107402
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
Sorry to disappoint you naysayers, but recutting III is going to be cake.
I've got a rough assembly already sitting on my hard drive.

And I doubt George is too upset and trying to spite me, as I was invited to a screening at the ranch in pre release.


Did you tell him that he had a great movie in The Phantom Menace, if he would just recut it dropping alot of the Jar Jar humor in a special edition?
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#107396
Topic
Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107396/action/topic#107396
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I think you need Vader asking about Padme, simply because it ties the two trilogies together.

I know it's going to get edited, as he's said he is going to edit the OT as well to help it flow with Mag's vision. I appreciate that.

I will offer one suggestion though:

There is no music AT ALL during the 'bridge' scene on Greivous ship. I thought of how cool it would be if the music from ROTJ played when Anakin and Obi Wan use R2 to help them escape (ala Luke and the Skiff). That's about all I would change.

Seriously, a fan edit will be nice to see, but I really do love this film.
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#107407
Topic
How do you rate EpIII?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107407/action/topic#107407
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I've seen Revenge of the Sith 7 times now, and it still holds up. I think what alot of us are forgetting is that the OT had it's fair share of bad acting and cheesy dialogue. Revenge of the Sith suffers from it about as much as A New Hope does, and some of Luke's dialogue in Empire. It doesn't suffer the way the first two prequels do.

What I said before still holds true.

The Definitive Trilogy:
Revenge of the Sith
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back

not rank wise, just order wise, ya know?

Now, you can take about 70 % of Jedi and about 50% of Attack of the Clones and you've got two good movies. Remove alot of the non-believable love stuff from AOTC and the Ewoks from Jedi and you've got some worthy films.

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#107316
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Episode 3 was disappointing on many levels...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107316/action/topic#107316
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Well, I'm glad you got to vent fans own the trilogy, but you want to talk about how 90% of the film is CGI. In 1977 people I'm sure complained that 90% of the film is special effects. CGI is just the new 'models'.

Also, excellent use of adjectives, but you bring nothing to the conversation by not telling why the story was 'pointless and lame'. Furthermore, what 'All this small talk of"?

And then when I was just about ready to see this as a valid post, you act like a child by insulting MeBeJedi.

"Hey, mebejedi, quit trying to explain this crap and finish the damn xo project, oh nevermind i'm getting the cowclops version. late!"

So now, it's pretty apparent that you came in here to be a troll.
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#107193
Topic
The Liam Neeson Mystery (spoilers within but questions answered)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/107193/action/topic#107193
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Another quick snip that was filmed:
187 EXT. CORUSCANT -PADME'S APARTMENT-VERANDA-AFTERNOON

The cockpit of the sleek yellow Galactic Speeder opens, and a HOODED FIGURE emerges and walks onto the veranda. An ALARM GOES OFF deep in the apartment. The FIGURE stops before a security curtain that protects the veranda. C-3PO enters the veranda and approaches the FIGURE.

C-3PO: Hello, might I help you . . . Oh, it's you, Master Kenobi. Come in, quickly.



The security curtain disappears, and the FIGURE lifts his hood. It is OBI-WAN. The alarm stops sounding.



OBI-WAN: Has Anakin been here . . . ?

C-3PO: Yes . . . right after the attack on the Jedi Temple.

PADME comes down the stairs in a robe. THREEPIO leaves.

PADME: Master Kenobi . . .

She embraces Obi-Wan.



PADME: (continuing) Oh, Obi-Wan, thank goodness . . . you're alive.

OBI-WAN: The Republic has fallen. Padme . . . The Jedi Order is no more . . .

PADME: I know, it's hard to believe everything to which we've dedicated our lives is gone.

OBI-WAN: I believe we have been part of a plot hundreds of years in the making.

PADME: The Senate is still intact, there is some hope.

OBI-WAN: No. Padme . . . It's over . . . The Sith now rule the galaxy as they did before the Republic.

PADME: The Sith!?!

Film Begins:
OBI-WAN: I'm here looking for Anakin . . . When was the last time you saw him?
.....