Hardcore Legend

Chewielewis said:

Hardcore Legend said:
Ok, but we just have to assume that because she knew who Luke Skywalker was?

We dont have to assume that, we can deduce that through the evidence shown through the text.

So how did she know that Jedi can control minds. Just look at the film and the most likely answer is that since she knew OF the Jedi she probably knew what the Jedi could do. In TFA she get excited when she hears the name Luke Skywalker, Its a moment of “I know that guy and everything about him”, we can deduce that she’s heard the stories and knows them back to front. In TLJ She says the force is for “Lifting rocks” without ever seeing a Jedi lift rocks. Rey is basically an In universe star wars fan.

What evidence? It isn’t that she knew about Luke because he was a Jedi, it was that she knew the stories of the Rebel Alliance. She was just as much a fangirl of Han Solo. Can we deduce she knew how to fix/fly the Falcon bc she knew everything about Han Solo, back to front? If so, no wonder Owen never told Luke stories about his father. He’d have become the best star pilot in the galaxy and a cunning warrior right there on the ground in the desert.

Chewielewis said:

Hardcore Legend said:
I watched TFA again the other day on TBS and I disagree even more now. Unless knowledge of how to use the force transferred to her from her mind link with Kylo, the simple fact that she on her own thought to use the Jedi mind trick needs some sort of explanation…unless I am forgetting something. Like, you don’t just come up with a Jedi force skill out of thin air at exactly the moment you need it. She doesn’t have to be a Skywalker, she doesn’t have to have a lineage of importance, but she has to have had some training early in life.

She knew about the Jedi, that much we know. And I’m sure that knowlege of the Jedi included what kind of powers they had such as the Jedi mind trick. She probably thought “Hey the force let me get inside Kylo’s head, let’s try it on this guy”.

Ok, but we just have to assume that because she knew who Luke Skywalker was?

DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

This could all be fixed if it’s revealed she had a bit of training as a toddler by some forgotten survivor of the Jedi purge. 😉

I’d find that neither satisfying or necessary.

I watched TFA again the other day on TBS and I disagree even more now. Unless knowledge of how to use the force transferred to her from her mind link with Kylo, the simple fact that she on her own thought to use the Jedi mind trick needs some sort of explanation…unless I am forgetting something. Like, you don’t just come up with a Jedi force skill out of thin air at exactly the moment you need it. She doesn’t have to be a Skywalker, she doesn’t have to have a lineage of importance, but she has to have had some training early in life.

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I find it interesting that they specifically said Carrie’s stuff would be unused TFA footage, implying that they won’t also be using any unused TLJ footage on top of that.

I think there probably just isn’t any unused TLJ stuff.

Which is a shame, I much preferred the lighting and costume from TLJ - she just looked so regal.

Totally agree. I’m kinda hoping they do some minor CG adjustments to her TFA outfit to at least make it seem different (there’s also the possibility that they’ll keep her as-shot long braid).

I think she will be heavily CGI’d. The performance will still be hers, the face and words all hers, but I imagine they will change her outfit and location to fit more closely with the film.

One rumor is that they are returning to Yavin base and it will be destroyed by the First Order. I could see them repurposing her scenes inside the command center in TFA to be in the Yavin base and she ultimately meets her death
helping them escape?

I imagine they will over-compensate with all of the fan criticisms from the last film and JJ will try to make everyone happy this time around. I can’t see him taking a lot of risks. So, expect to see Luke be a super-jedi, Lando have an important role and Hux not be a comedy device this time.

shrugs shoulders

Anakin Starkiller said:

When Doctor Who ended in 1989, they didn’t kill off the Doctor.

Wut?

This isn’t called Skywalker Wars.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Hardcore Legend said:

The playing up of the “end of the Skywalker Saga” is putting a ton of pressure on this film to wrap up an 8 film juggernaut. It also pretty much confirms that Kylo gonna die.

I really don’t get why people are saying that. Before Disney, people would’ve said the Skywalker Saga ended with RotJ, and Luke didn’t die in that. It’s not the end of the Skywalker lineage; it’s the end of a saga that just so happens to be in large part about the Skywalkers.

Before Disney, I think people more than likely would have said the story of Anakin Skywalker ended. After the prequels, the 6 films had a purpose and were tied up nicely. Before the prequels, the 3 films had a purpose (destroy the Empire) and were tied up nicely. By making this the conclusion of the “Skywalker Saga” , what is the main arc they are trying to wrap up? That the Skywalkers suck and the galaxy should be rid of them? Luke’s dead. Leia likely will die. That leaves Ben. If he is redeemed, then it is just Anakin’s story all over again without the 30 years of being the 2nd baddest dude in the galaxy and the 20 some years before that of being a Jedi warrior.

That doesn’t mean to criticize a film they haven’t even filmed yet. I just don’t see a) what there is to wrap up of the entire saga vs just wrapping up this trilogy and b) that there is no way they don’t continue this story in a decade with these characters/cast.

So, to me, the only way this “concludes the Skywalker Saga” is if the Skywalker bloodline ends with this film.

The playing up of the “end of the Skywalker Saga” is putting a ton of pressure on this film to wrap up an 8 film juggernaut. It also pretty much confirms that Kylo gonna die.

Humby said:

Hardcore Legend said:

If I don’t get the Solo sequel to finish where they were going with Maul/Dawn and Lando/Han…

I’d rather they carry the Maul storyline into another movie rather than a sequel to Solo.

As much as I actually enjoyed Erenreich as Han, I’m ready to move on. He can pop up for a few scenes in other stories, or even the Boba Fett movie if it ends up happening, but he doesn’t need a sequel. And I seem to be one of the very few people who thought Donald Glover’s Lando was the worst part of the movie, so I hope we don’t see him again at all.

And that’s fine. I think having this be a trilogy or sequels that overlap characters but don’t follow one character directly is perfect. Some series of films involving Han/Chewie/Boba/Lando/Maul/Crimson Dawn/Jabba works for me. I just don’t know that Boba Fett can carry a film. Unless they play him like the Man with No Name.

If I don’t get the Solo sequel to finish where they were going with Maul/Dawn and Lando/Han…

a_o said:

Han hasn’t been fully double-crossed by Qi’ra, left to become the jaded and cynical smuggler we meet in the first Star Wars film. He was tough (war is hell) and had some moral center (deal with Enfys) but the ‘price on my head, and my best girl left me, you guys can’t be serious about this ~the force~ stuff’ Han Solo doesn’t exist quite yet.

so, this is like the prequels, but for Han Solo and not Anakin Skywalker.

He ends the movie literally seeking out jabba the hutt.

This presumes there is not the intention of more Solo films existing. If the point of this film was to get Han from youth to the guy we meet in ANH, it failed. But I don’t think that was the plan.

TV’s Frink said:

TPM gave you optimism?

The film ended much like ANH: they lost someone important but they won the battle, stopped the invasion, found Anakin Skywalker.

Not the quality of the film.

The next two featured a galactic war breaking out, the Jedi being murdered. TFA saw Han murdered, the entire galactic government dead and the First Order actually evacuated (unlike Tarkin). Rogue One everyone died. TLJ, there are like 7 rebels left and Luke is dead.

It’s been a run of increasingly serious Star Wars films. Good films but not the most uplifting subject material. I’d wager this is maybe the first one since TPM that kids could fully get behind, which is what launched Star Wars to begin with.

Her story did have an impact on the main character. It also had a direct impact on all the characters. Qi’Ra betrays her master, Han risks his life and breaks up the crew to help Nest, Beckett is killed because of it.

They aren’t above criticism, however I personally believe they understand the original nature of Star Wars and treated the story, the characters and the franchise with care.

I dunno. I can’t remember leaving a Star Wars film not thinking “I wish they had done it differently” in over 30+ years. This one was the first one during that time. Hell, outside of TPM, this is the first one that gave some optimism.

You mean like when they reveal Ben Kenobi is actually Obi Wan Kenobi, a Jedi Master who was friends with Luke’s father but we only just met him?

I get what you are saying but we are dealing with Ron Howard, a close friend of George’s (whom George asked to direct the PT) and Kasden, who gave most of our beloved characters their depth we now take for granted.

This has all the fun of ANH, in my opinion. ESB, ROTJ, TFA and TLJ all have been tied down (not a bad thing) with raising the stakes over and over again and resting the fate of the galaxy on the events of the film. This time, like ANH, there was no burden. Just make a fun, sci-fi flick.

Also, I think part of loved this film so much is there weren’t major consequences. Unlike the ST, there is no second guessing the direction they are taking the series or what they are doing with the character. Everything was true to character and the story was fun, exciting and didn’t massively impact the galaxy as a whole but still had room to tell more!

Perfect for a summer spinoff.

Han is naive in this film. He’s had a hard life but he thinks being a thief is great and the life will be glamorous. As this film progresses, he learns that you can lose the ones you love, you can die alone, the people you trust can betray you and other people in the galaxy are suffering too. I imagine that if there is a sequel, he will be broken and jaded somehow by Q’ra. She will either be killed by Maul or betray Han to the point where he doesn’t trust women or “sticks his neck out for no one”.

There is growth in this film. It just doesn’t hit you over the head with sweeping orchestra and slow motion realization.

suspiciouscoffee said:

My whole theater clapped and laughed frequently, my brother and I were actually outliers.

YMMV but the theater I was in, which was only like 80% full didn’t applaud at the opening like most SW films but was clapping and squealing when Maul showed up. It and Lando abandoning the crew got the loudest pops.

I think I was the only person who laughed outloud at Lando’s “Mining colonies are the worst” line. Even my brother thought I was nuts.

DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

Maul is only fan service if he isn’t setting up a future film.

That’s not how that works.

If Maul is there just bc he’s that guy from TPM-> fan service
If Maul is there bc he’s important to this off-shoot film series going forward->not fan service

Maul is only fan service if he isn’t setting up a future film. If he’s just there so people are like “hey, I know that guy” , I get it. But if he’s the big bad in the next film, then it is worth it. If he’s written half as good as he was in Rebels, I’m in.

Only concern I would have would be having Solo interacting with Force users after he is so dismissive of the Force in ANH.

This film is tracking poorly. I wonder how much of that is bad PR, how much is TLJ carryover, how much is fatigue and how much is people just not caring about this film?

Worry what it will do to future stand-alone, let alone a SOLO sequel.

If Jabba’s palace is on Tattoine and Jabba has a bounty on Solo’s life, why would Han chose to hang out in a bar on Tattoine when he has the REST OF THE GALAXY TO HIDE in?

andyw715 said:

bromeo said:

I just watched some explanation / theory videos on YouTube. Darth Maul isn’t a Sith anymore and he is (most likely) the big boss running the Crimson Dawn? No wonder I felt so out of the loop during that cameo! I guess I really need to watch the animated series now.

In the credits the character is just “Maul”

He isn’t a Darth anymore. He gave up the ways of the Sith after the Emperor betrayed him and killed everyone he knew/loved. His main mission in Rebels is to gain power to destroy the Emperor, until he discovers Kenobi is still alive. At some point, he becomes trapped on Malacor for “years”, which is where the Rebels crew meets up with him 3 years before Battle of Yavin. This film ends 10 YBBY, so there are 7 years for them to play out any sequel with Maul involved.

dahmage said:

I enjoyed it, wasn’t sure what I would think going in. In fact my ticket purchase was a last minute thing today after work.

Mostly empty theater at a 10pm showing, so it was a quiet movie.

There was only one scene that got a chuckle out of me, and I now forget which it was.

I dunno, probably a 6/10 for me, but maybe it will grow on me?

“Mining colonies are the worst”

Sadly, I’m worried this film is going to do poorly at the box office but it is hands down the best Disney Star Wars film so far (no offense to the other offerings). This film sets the stage for sequels that I actually am interested in seeing. The Maul cameo has me extremely intrigued where that thread is going.

I thought the only really weak performance was by Clarke. After thinking they had no shot at believably replacing Ford, they managed to make it believable. Chewie was great. Glover was charming as Lando. I thought his passion for his Droid was really well done as well.

The plot was exactly what you’d expect from a Han Solo film, chaotic, borderline seeming completely off the rails only to nicely make sense at the end. Ron Howard did a fantastic of putting this film together in no time and Kasdan wrote the characters in a way that doesn’t damage established performances.

Can’t wait for a sequel. Hoping for maybe a trilogy where Han works for Jabba in the next film, dumps the shipment with a heavier Imperial presence in that one only to have the final film be about Boba Fett chasing him at the request of Jabba. Or not. I don’t care. I want more of this story, especially if Howard and Kasdan are at the helm!

8/10. May be best SW film since RotJ. Has something for every kind of Star Wars fans.