Hardcore Legend

Indianamcclain said:

I’m sure this has been discussed at some point but let me reiterate. At the end of New Hope Han gets enough money to pay off Jabba the Hut, but in Empire he still has a price on his head. I don’t understand why he didn’t just pay off Jabba first, then meet up with the rebellion on Hoth. Is there a reason for this that I missed?

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ZkinandBonez said:

Well, just remember that “close” is quite relative when dealing with a map that covers an entire galaxy.

Yeah, I get that. It is just further shrinks the Star Wars galaxy. I understand the need to have Scarif near Tatooine in order for the events of ANH to kick off.

I’m beginning to wonder if Disney has in mind an update Special Edition that fixes the 90’s special effects added and increases the amount of starfighters/Imperial fighters scattered throughout ANH. Especially with how much Disney is trying to tie-in all their other materials (Clone Wars/Rebels/etc.)

Will be interesting to see how they clean it all up at the end of Rogue One.

Ronster said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Well, it could be that we only see the DS over Jedha. Since it’s already in ANH there’s no need for it to appear throughout the entire movie, especially since Scarif is where they steal the plans.
I guess it could show up at the very end though, but it sees weird that the DS would be needed at Scarif. It firing on Scarif would be pretty weird. But then again that’s the sort of crazy thing that the Empire might do.

I have a feeling that the plot will revolve around three missions; sabotaging some Kyber crystal mining on Jedha (or at least getting some info). The DS shows up to stop them and cover it’s tracks. Then they go to try to save Galen from Eadu. Perhaps they get some info from him there. And finally with this info they go to steal the plans on Scarif. That’s my guess anyway.

As for the early marketing teaser, well, that could simply be marketing. They would have had good reason to avoid spoilers at that time. I also think it was made even before they started shooting, so it could have been based on some early ideas. Also the teaser did show a jungle, and Scarif is in all the trailers shown has having many oceans/lakes with small jungle areas as opposed to the thick jungle shown in the teaser.

Ok so the Planet in the Flash Back is called LAH’MU

And you are right zkinandbonez EADU is the blue misty mountain planet. (Could it be a mistake and it is actually Eriadu? That is Moff Tarkins home world heavily polluted industrial planet)

I also think that SCARIF is also where the dish is fitted so the Death star will move after it get’s fitted on to Jedha.

Check this map

I have so many questions about this map.

Is it canon that Geonosis is the nearest neighboring planet to Tatooine? Was Tatooine able to avoid being involved (for the most part) being involved in either of these massive galactic wars because of The Hutts? Why was there not a greater imperial presence on Tatooine BEFORE whatever is about to happen on Scarif? Furthermore, why would smugglers like Han Solo make stops on a planet that is nearly on the doorstep of a major Imperial installation?

I know Luke’s feeling of isolation was largely because of his lot in life but retconn’ing Geonosis (the first major battle of the Clone Wars) and Scarif (a major military installation for the Empire) to being the 3 closest planets in the Star Wars universe makes Obi Wan’s decision to hide Luke there seem even more unfortunate.

I guess I also did not realize just how close Hoth was to Bespin (although that makes sense since hyperdrive was out). It appears to be closer than the 2nd Death Star was to Endor moon.

Jeddha’s proximity to Jakku is interesting, too.

Sorry, this is wandering off from my original points which were closer to Rogue One.

I thought one of the new canon books said it was turned into an imperial palace.

I would pay $17 to watch this for 2 hours

Something that I guess I never really put much thought into before but Leia’s reaction to her home being vaporized and her father being murdered is really muted, in retrospect. Her recording makes it very clear her father is intended to be on Aldreraan but I wonder if they will retcon it to leave it ambiguous as to whether he might have been ‘en route’ to the planet or if they will make it clear he has safely returned (only to be blown into a billion tiny bits).

The part about Obi-Wan and the plans never really dawned on me as far as it’s impact on this film.

So many possibilities in Rogue One and the connection to ANH. Can’t wait!

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It is common knowledge that even in severe heat, the elderly wear jackets. The only person wearing an overcoat is Ben Kenobi.

Obviously the climate must be hot.

Yes, starwars.com lists them as personnel used to patrol the beaches.

Which is probably why they have less armor than Stormtroopers. No space travel, pretty consistent environment, may use different individual transportation.

If you look at some promo pics, Erso is wearing a pseudo Endor Leia disguise. I imagine Shoretroopers are doing the same with Scout Troopers.

imperialscum said:
I have problem with beachtroopers (or whatever) because it doesn’t make sense for them to change armour just because they go to a beach. It is not an extreme condition like frozen Hoth. If stormtroopers did not require to change armour when they went to a very hot place like Tatooine, I don’t see the reason for them to change it when they go to a beach (unless when they go for R&R, but then they need a swimsuit, not an armour).

Shore Troopers, as they are called, would need to be able to adapt to three different conditions in a small area: wooded area, sand/beach and be able to maneuver in the water. If, like Scout Troopers, they aren’t intended for heavy combat/warfare and are mostly for patrol and peacekeeping, it would make sense that they would have different armor.

The less ‘Star Wars’-y the spinoffs feel, the less the general public will be interested in them. Honestly, it seems the spinoffs only exist because Disney wants to reuse characters from the OT/PT that no longer exist in the new trilogy.

I personally am interested in an Obi Wan Kenobi spinoff, depending on how they could work it without the Hutts ratting him out to Vader nor Vader sensing him being out off of Tattoine.

I’d also be interested in a Vader standalone set during the time between ANH and ESB based off the Vader comics by Marvel. Vader trying to regain his position in the Empire, using Boba Fett to track down information on the Rebel that blew up the Death Star, having him plot to overthrow the Emperor, and wipe out an entire squadron of Rebels on his own after the set a trap for him. It’d be interesting to have an entire Star Wars movie focused on the villian, with the good guys only dropping in from time to time as opposed to the other way around.

Tyrphanax said:

Bingowings said:

There is a possibility of a Artoo/Threepio cameo… even a Leia cameo right at the very end of the piece.
I am reminded of the Skyhook sequence in the Radio drama.
You may get the glimpse of a white robe and a few out of focus droids as the contents of the tapes are transmitted ship to ship.

I can’t remember if I said it here, but my vision of the Vader cameo in Rogue One was just a shot at the very end of the film of Vader’s back as he stands on the bridge of his Star Destroyer bearing down on the Tantive IV before we smash cut to black.

I was pretty close with the tease in this trailer, but with Vader on the Death Star. I imagine he’ll have a bit of a larger role at this point.

This is one of the very few chances that Disney will get to use their most popular character from their new cash cow. I imagine he will get a larger role than that. But a bigger role than he had in ROTS.

I kinda hope that the importance of Jedha in the Force plays into Vader’s involvement. As in, Krenic battles it out with the Rebels for the first 2/3rds of the film, suffers a setback and retaliates by using the DS to destroy Jedha. Vader and the Emperor, both Force users become outraged and Vader is dispatched to deal with Krenic’s failures. Krenic walks into the room we see above, only to find Vader standing there. He tells him that the Emperor is ‘most displeased’ and gives Krenic, one last chance.

Krenic fails again, either on the DS or on Scarif, Vader kills him and systematically wipes out our happy band of Rebels only to have Erso survive long enough to get the technical readouts to one of the Organas (Bail or Leia)

Or something totally different

Does Bail Organa die on Alderaan in the new (non-Legends) continuity?

LOVE the Shoretroopers.

GlastoEls said:

Hardcore Legend said:

What are the new tan helmet scout looking troopers called?

Kevin, Malcolm and Nigel!

Makes sense.

What are the new tan helmet scout looking troopers called?

Isn’t it possible that Mothma was in the Senate when the Emperor dissolved the Senate? She may have stayed on Coruscant to plead with others to keep it intact or to join the Rebellion.

Also the small Rebellion theory, if the idea is that the entire Rebellion is like 10 ships and 150 people to go against the Galactic friggin Empire…they are braver than I thought.

They will have to do something with these characters at the end of this film. Perhaps Vader kills all of them. Perhaps they allow the 2 main leads to survive, Mon Mothma is captured and they have a sequel post ANH where these two are trying to find her.

But probably they all get slaughtered. Can’t wait.

That Rebel reading the charges sounds a lot like Agent Kallus from Rebels.

It doesn’t fit the timeline, but I’d love for Maul’s hatred of the Sith and his need for revenge lead him to the discovery that Vader has a son. He tracks him down to take him as an apprentice only to run into Obi Wan one final time. Intercut Kenobi dealing with the Hutts, Maul learning Vader=Skywalker and heading to the homestead to gain any knowledge he can about his enemies past. Maul stumbles upon seeing Kenobi arguing with Lars about being involved in Luke’s life, etc.

That could be the Obi-Wan spinoff.

joefavs said:

Hardcore Legend said:

In the IGN interview, it seemed like he still believes he can film the final Clone Wars store of Maul vs Rex/Ahsoka that he wrote the arc for.

Is that something that would have been completely new, or was it rooted in TCW? I can’t recall any special connection between Maul and either Rex or Ahsoka, but it has been a couple of years since I’ve seen the show.

Also, I think they’re handling Ezra’s potential slide to the dark side a lot more credibly than anything we ever saw about Anakin. Very interested to see where this goes.

Here is the quote from the IGN interview:

“It is the last story arc of the Clone Wars TV series that we were doing, was this story about Ahsoka and how she crosses with Maul. What was significant about that was that it was the story that was really going to draw her possibly back into the Jedi Order, because the motivation around this conflict with Maul was her knowing the personal history between Maul and Obi Wan, who was their dear friend. So she was caught up in that, and basically she says point, “The last time I saw Anakin, he was rushing off to save the Chancellor.” She was actually planning with Obi Wan and Anakin the capture and attack that would get them Maul, because she had figured out where he was towards the end of the Clone War. But before they can go through with this plan together, Obi Wan and at one Anakin get called away to Coruscant to save the Chancellor, which leaves her with Rex – and some other exciting characters – to basically go and deal with Darth Maul, once and for all. That’s kind of a good brief of what that was about.”

Yes. I enjoyed it. Reading Filoni’s interview, it seems the ambiguity in the ending was to allow the characters to be used outside of Rebels…not to necessarily bring them back int the show.

In the IGN interview, it seemed like he still believes he can film the final Clone Wars store of Maul vs Rex/Ahsoka that he wrote the arc for.

As far as spinoffs go, I’m sure Disney is going to continue to ride this nostalgia train before creating anything outside the OT influence.

As far as this reboot of the PT goes, that’s not a realistic option. As others have said, the PT becomes more tied in to the OT and the continuing Star Wars universe as time passes along. Hell, Darth Vader is going to battle Darth Maul this week on TV.

A compromise would be to do spinoff films during the PT era using PT characters/actors to fix some of the shortcomings. TCW showed that quality stories can be told using the source material.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Hardcore Legend said:

This Wednesday is the season finale and it promises to be packed with tons of cannon goodies.

You mean candy fired from a cannon, right? That’d be awesome.

Maul tries to seduce Ezra

Ooh la la.

First: Stupid Auto-correct.
Second: Ew.

SilverWook said:

Sounded like 1977 vintage Vader to me. People sometimes forget the way he sounded before they changed it for the SE.

The ‘mechanization’ of his voice in '77 was stronger than it was in the later films.

I will say that applying a slight bass boost to the JEJ lines brings his voice much more in line with ESB/ROTJ. I did this to the Vader/Emperor speech from season 2 and it feels like it was taken straight out of ESB.

Something to consider for anyone doing fan edits of this series.

This Wednesday is the season finale and it promises to be packed with tons of cannon goodies. Maul tries to seduce Ezra and an extensive Vader/Ahsoka battle.

I’d love to see some fan film group use the audio from this battle and shoot a shot for shot live action recreation. I think people seeing these two characters ‘live’ might get more people interested in this important piece of the universe that almost seems to be going on behind the scenes.

DominicCobb said:

The promise of Luke Skywalker being in the film is more than just the 32 year gap between ROTJ and TFA, it is the promise of the opening line of the crawl. Luke Skywalker is a through line in the film from the VERY start. It’s funny how people say TFA has a cliffhanger, which simply isn’t true. If we DIDN’T see Luke it would have been a cliffhanger. But seeing him is the resolution to the story outlined from the very start, very first line of the crawl. The fact that we know Kylo and the First Order are still out there and Rey has training to do is simply a sequel hook, NOT a cliffhanger.

Han’s capture is an element introduced in the second half of ESB and resolving it in that film would have felt out of place because it wasn’t an integral part of that film’s story from the start. The cliffhanger is justified because it is a plot thread that is introduced near the end of the film and, unlike a plot thread introduced at the very start, wouldn’t reasonably require a resolution at the end of the film.

The promise is that Luke has vanished, which is that you shouldn’t expect to see him anytime soon. The end of TFA is literally a cliffhanger, it is 100 percent true. Firstly, they are literally standing on a cliff. Second, they introduce a revelation (Luke and Rey meeting) in the final moment of the film and frame their reactions to each other in a suspenseful manner. That’s a cliffhanger.

5 minutes into ESB, Han says he must leave because Bounty Hunters are after him.

DominicCobb said:

Hardcore Legend said:

Again, I guess that comes from your perspective about who these films are about. If you look at them as 6 film overlaps with the PT and OT being about Anakin Skywalker and the OT and ST being about Luke Skywalker, then I see where you are coming from. If you look at the trilogies as being about each generation (PT-Anakin/Obi Wan, OT-Luke/Leia, ST-Rey/Kylo), then I lean more towards the film being about Rey (and Kylo).

Even if Rey vs. Kylo is the “end” of her story in TFA, that doesn’t mean it should be the last we see of her.

In ANH the “end” of Luke’s story is when he uses the Force to destroy the Death Star. But we still see him later at the end in new fangled clothes receiving a medal as an official member of the Rebellion.

Correct. He doesn’t go off and introduce himself to Yoda to begin his training or meet a new character to the film of great importance. They don’t show Vader returning to The Emperor and standing face to face with him. The parallel to the medal ceremony is The Falcon leaving the Resistance base with everyone looking on and waiving.