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#1471597
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I’d be interested in seeing this incorporated into Mando, perhaps titled “The Mandalorians.”

Or, maybe for Mando season 2, we start off following Fett out of the Sarlacc, with two episodes’ worth of flashback material treated linearly. Let a couple Fett episodes encroach on Mando’s show rather than the other way around. Perhaps these two episodes could follow Fett’s introduction in S02E01. We’d be all caught up by the time we see him next.

Season 3 of Mando can start with the present-day BOBF material for perhaps an episode or two, then pick up from episode 5 with Mando and concluding with a mid-season finale of sorts.

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#1471528
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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On the one hand I enjoyed having something to watch, but on the other it seemed jumbled.

I had just watched a video essay about how Star Wars was very linear in its storytelling, introducing new things firmly in context of what came before and staying focused on the story. Maybe that was just on my mind, but this series certainly did not feel that way.

Boba Fett felt confused, and I don’t have much more of an idea who he is now than six weeks ago. I’m still not really sure how saving Mos Espa makes the Sand People’s lot any better.

Fortunately, this mess doesn’t have “Episode _” at the start of it, so I’m much more forgiving than if it had.

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#1471431
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released)
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Yeah, I guess it’s pretty much all there. Just would be nice for it to be communicated more clearly in the films.

Well, at least in the future there’ll be some bit of what I still refer to as EU stuff someone could watch or read before heading into the ST. But, y’know….

If I do end up revising TLJ:L I’ll reinstate that line from Snoke as you have it (without the island remark), but it’s a minuscule tweak and I won’t make it on its own.

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#1471427
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The ‘Custom Special Edition’ That Almost Wasn’t, But Then Was (Released)
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I’m afraid that after even more work from myself and danieldubb, the “What if he doesn’t survive - he’s worth a fortune to me” line from Battlefront II just isn’t cutting it. It’s a better delivery, but can’t be made to mesh.

“As you wish” works beautifully, and will be used in any event. It is spoken in a different part of the movie so I don’t think it needs to sound identical. It nearly does anyway, though.

The only question now is whether to go with the 2004’s Morrison delivery of, “He’s no good to me dead.” Or to use a sentence mixed partially from Battlefront II of, “He’s not worth anything to me dead.” Here are both for your consideration. Let me know what you think.

2004 audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UpeLp9JFp1HpJq8D6xOxwa_u3tolEC9f/view?usp=sharing

Revised proposed audio: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1djIPpppOFDIHiRVFOtwTYLeBinb10jX0/view?usp=sharing

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#1471327
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (Released)
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It seems like one way to bring TLJ into greater alignment with the two JJ Abrams installments would be to downplay the strength and dominance of the First Order.

TFA appears to establish the First Order as an Imperial remnant that has coalesced in part thanks to Snoke, and are not strong or prevalent enough to pose a threat obvious enough for the Senate to take actions. Instead, Leia has to take matters into her own hands. When Poe is taken aboard a star destroyer, he marvels as though he had not realized the First Order had such resources. They manage to build a doomsday device, which they are able to use to essentially blow up the New Republic capitol. It really seems like at the end of the movie the two major superpowers cut the head off the other, leaving a power vacuum.

TLJ charges out of the gate to suggest that the entire Republic was reduced to very little by the single act of destroying their capitol and fleet. The First Order, however, seems barely hurt at all, with legions to easily and quickly seize control of the galaxy. With ample huge ships and destroyers to spare to chase the meager Resistance. They seem to have plenty of resources and are elevated to Empire status, with the Resistance slipping into the role of “rebels” now.

TROS presents us with Kylo Ren as an erratic Supreme Leader who is compelled by the Final Order fleet presented by Palpatine, feeling that acquiring this resource would finally elevate them to the level of “a true empire.” The First Order appears to have a presence throughout the galaxy, with destroyers in place, though apparently spread thin in the effort.

Where is the New Republic post-TFA? Totally gone? Incapacitated but ready to reform? Surely post-TROS we won’t hear about a “New New Republic,” but reforming it with the same name.

So, here’s what I would like to imply about the First Order and Republic throughout the trilogy, most of which puts pressure on TLJ more than the other two:

The New Republic formed as one might expect and recall from the Legends continuity, following the overthrow of the Empire. The primary remnant of the Empire never died out, but coalesced in secret before starting to present themselves as the First Order. Snoke is evidently known to the galaxy at large, though not taken as a serious threat. The Republic government does not wish to get involved in fighting the First Order, despite Leia insisting that this must be done. The Republic pools their resources around their capitol planet, though these forces don’t affiliate with her ragtag Resistance group.

Throughout the events of TFA, including its revised opening crawl, the First Order presents its previously unrevealed might by destroying the Republic capitol. However, in the process their own military capitol is also destroyed. The film ends with an apparent vacuum of power or control, with both forces having suffered large losses.

When we go into TLJ, I’d like to imply or state that the loss of the Republic fleet has allowed the First Order the opportunity to strike into central or important systems to try to seize control. However, this is done through ruthless strikes rather than unleashing limitless resources to wear down any resistance. (They are lacking in resources as well!) However, they feel it is important to snuff out the organized Resistance that destroyed Starkiller Base, and perhaps prioritize this by sending most or all of their forces to do so. (Kylo says, “Get all our forces down to that Resistance base.” And Rey says that “the First Order will control all the major systems within weeks” but have not seized them already.) As the film concludes, the Resistance barely manages to escape, and the First Order continues their strikes against an undefended Republic.

Even though the plot of TROS throws a monkey wrench into this development no matter how you slice it and it’s tempting to just pretend it didn’t happen, we have to make it make sense. So, entering TROS we see that Kylo feels somewhat insecure in his rule and that the First Order is ruthlessly attacking planets that support the Resistance. Their rule is fledging, and has not set into a truly Imperial sense of rule. Disorder and chaos have erupted as citizens rebel, though not in an organized way. When the Empire took over, it was a turnover of an existing Republic structure. The First Order is an invading force that has had a rough time foisting itself on the populace. When Palpatine emerges with an “oh by the way here’s an enormous fleet” the First Order is in a position to gladly accept it. Dialogue paints them as in need of help, not yet having become “a true empire.” And by the time the galaxy learns Palpatine himself returned somehow, they amass to knock this bastard out for good, torching the First Order’s thinly-spread forces and presumably leaving room for the (New) Republic to recover and reestablish itself.

Soooo… what can be done to TLJ to help facilitate this narrative?

Well, the opening crawl is a great place to do some of this. I would imagine spelling out to a greater extent that it is only the lack of the Republic flee that allows the First Order to make calculated strikes to seize control of major systems. They aren’t the new Empire all of a sudden, though post a large threat.

Ideally, and this probably isn’t really all that possible, they wouldn’t suddenly call themselves rebels. (Not a huge deal.)

Make their forces smaller, or else imply that this is basically all of it. Snoke’s ship is comically large, I feel. If it appeared on its own in space shots, and not in the famous Holdo maneuver sequence, I’d suggest replacing it with a regular destroyer or something.

Any other ideas for realizing this vision? Perhaps it’s mostly just through a slight tweak to TLJ’s crawl.

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#1471321
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Comedy Edits Thread
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Here’s my old list of ideas for a gag reel when TLJ came out…

“I see your eye. I know your eye.” (Use Maz from TFA ads to speak as Phasma’s armor cracks and we see her eye.)

“Who’s that Pokemon?” Phasma says, “Execute.” “It’s [something that looks like Eggsecute]!” Phasma rages

“It’s time for The Last Jedi… to end.” cue credits

As Yoda lifts the thing to save Obi-Wan and Anakin in AOTC, hear Rose’s line about saving what we love.

As Holdo prepares to lightspeed, Obi-Wan and Han say “turn the ship around” and “yeah I think you’re right”

Monster man in final scene is a Disney guy shutting down the kids’ unlisenced star wars merch.

Chanting of “Grond, grond…” as the battering ram thing is mounted.

Luke saying “it’s so much bigger” as Starkiller base hologram is shown at briefing in TFA.

Overlay “Save the rebellion… save the dream” over something or other in TLJ.

Have broom boy transform into the ‘Star Wars kid’ from 2003-ish. (Google it, kids.)

Luke saying Sheev instead of Palpatine.

Forrest Gump telling stormtrooper at the start of TFA "you got shot.” (Not TLJ-related.)

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#1471136
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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One thing that could help the ST as a whole would be making the First Order into more of an Imperial remnant who is hellbent on reclaiming the galaxy but isn’t really in a position to do so. They destroy the Republic capital, but that was basically the sum of their might. Once SKB is destroyed, it’s only the lack of the New Republic’s fleet that allows them to pose a threat. In TLJ, they would visually be downgraded in their firepower and shown to be fledging and even wounded due to the loss of their main base. In TROS, they’d be desperate for Palpatine’s old imperial fleet he stockpiled, because it’d give them a huge leg up.

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#1471110
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Favorite Episode title?
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The Phantom Menace - A decent title that evokes an important part of the film, and seems to imply its role as a sort of prologue or intro to a series. It doesn’t sound terribly interesting, though. If my fan edits had to stick with the original title for only one prequel film, it’d be this one.

Attack of the Clones - “‘Ats a horrible title!” Sounds dumb and doesn’t really reflect the film very well. Implies the clones are an enemy force that is invading. Perhaps my least favorite title. “The Clone War(s)” would’ve been much better.

Revenge of the Sith - I don’t like this title, because it doesn’t really get at the essence of the film. We don’t really know anything about the backstory of the Sith, so their revenge doesn’t seem compelling. It’s more about the fall of Anakin and/or the Republic. Seems like it is just there to rhyme with ROTJ or redeem the “revenge” that was dropped from that film’s title. I feel my edit’s “Labyrinth of Evil” (culled from a Luceno EU novel) fits better in getting at the heart of the film’s story.

A New Hope - It’s a very “meh” title. Not compelling, and only exists retroactively to a much better title of “STAR WARS.” It’s fine, and doesn’t put off a new audience with any proper nouns they wouldn’t know about.

The Empire Strikes Back - It’s pulpy, and it ropes audiences in with an inkling that this story will continue a story rather than recreate the original. “Splinter of the Mind’s Eye” could’ve worked as a title, but might have been too out-there. Very good title, though only partially gets at the film’s essence.

Return of the Jedi - One of the best titles, and one that has a dual meaning. Alludes to ‘Return of the King’ and does a good job only tipping off the ending a little bit. No complaints about this one. It gives the impression that the good guys win, but leaves it as a surprise that the bad guy gets redeemed.

The Force Awakens - Excelling title, both for the story and the film’s significance in the real world. Is even referenced in the next movie. Very good.

The Last Jedi - Another title very fitting for its movie and story. Gives a startling implication without lying, tantalizing.

The Rise of Skywalker - This title does capture the film’s gist somewhat, but in a way similar to “Finding Nemo” in that it tips a little too strongly the ending. It struck me as a confusing title going in, what it would mean. It made the final lines of the film, which would’ve been cheesy regardless of the film that built up to it, visible a mile away.

So out of the group, I’d pick ROTJ, TFA, and TLJ as my favorite titles, in that order.

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#1471077
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The ‘Custom Special Edition’ That Almost Wasn’t, But Then Was (Released)
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Yeah, Octorox, I’m with you. I admit that it would help continuity, but isn’t something I want to do. So I won’t! The current Hal9000 saga excuse is that Obi-Wan just doesn’t regard droids as anything special.

I do wonder if that was Lucas’ intent behind lines like “if droids could think” and “flying is for droids” in AOTC, to sort of account for his lack of recognition or care about R2 and 3PO showing up in ANH. That’s my read of it, anyway, even if it seems to have fallen by the wayside along with other things by the time of ROTS.