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#600463
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Ask the member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints AKA Interrogate the Mormon
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Star Trek V always reminded me of Mormonism. 

God has a body of flesh and bone, right? I know the concept of the 'burning in the bosom' has historically been important to Mormons. 

I do have an earnest question, though. The Mormons (or LDS, I apologize if I use terms or titles that would not be preferred) in recent decades have pitched Mormonism as being basically another Christian denomination. What say you about this? Isn't classical Christianity an abomination according to LDS doctrine, indeed another gospel that Paul said should be cursed? If Smith was to restore the gospel, doesn't that mean historical Christianity was hopelessly wrong? I guess my real question is... should Mormonism be lumped in the Christian camp with all its historical inheritance, or be considered something different (restoration or otherwise)? 

As a case example, classical Christianity (at least the Protestant tradition) maintains the principle of sola gracia and sola fide, or salvation by grace alone through faith alone. Can Mormonism really hold to these in order to be considered Christian in the classical sense? If something like celestial marriage is required, which is an essential element that is absent from historic Christianity, aren't the two things fundamentally distinct?

I'm not trying to get at which is true, if either. Rather, I just want to be clear about what's what. 

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#600367
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PT: Please help answer these questions for me.
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SGT-Crakers said:

OK, so I don't know if these are plot holes or what (I really hope not haha)...but any here are my questions:

1) If midi-chlorian counts are highly correlated to force sensitivity, why can't sentients induce more rapid midi-chlorian replication? Like what prevents everyone in the galaxy from being force sensitive? I read somewhere on Wookiepedia that deathly injured organisms can be given a blood transplant of another for their midi-chlorians, but no force sensitivity would be passed on. Why would no force sensitivity be passed on?

2) Why did Darth Vader continue to help the emperor when he knew Padme was dead? Wasn't Padme is only motivation for being on the dark side?

3) How does "the high ground" mean Obi-Wan will have an advantage in Episode III?

Welcome to the forum! I think most of us would say that these are difficulties brought on by the prequels. 

BUT, since you asked...

1) No clue. I guess maybe they are linked with a person in some non-transferable way.

2) Once you've murdered children for a cause, it's hard to just go back on it. He's all in.

3) He knew Anakin would do a triple front-flip over his head, and that he'd be able to, y'know, like swing... up at him. I don't know. 

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#596399
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The Fall of the Jedi Trilogy (Released)
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Cool; thanks. If I'd have waited I could have seen them in HD. Oh, well.

I'll post a review for Episodes II and III later, but for now here's my thoughts in brief. I thought you gave Episode I a quick pace that made the film more tolerable, though that approach made II and III feel thin. The pacing was fast, and made all of the prequel trilogy feel the way that the last half of III did, like a power-point presentation. 

Anakin and Padme's relationship overall felt much better in this cut than others, since it is not meant to be seen as secretive or forbidden. Good! 

The droids aren't emphasized or seen much at all. This is a good thing, and I think it works well enough. I still think 3PO could be dubbed for his two or three remaining lines to really sell it. 

These films really are a difficult watch, but I'd recommend Q2's edits as a substitute. Especially if you won't want to invest as much time. 

Have you considered collapsing them into a single 2 1/2 hour prequel film? Given how short they ended up, that might be feasible.

For the prequel trilogy as a whole, I'd rate it 8.5 out of 10. (TPM - 9/10 for fast "get in, get out" pacing. AOTC - 8/10 for removal of awful thematic material, which leaves the film feeling gutted. ROTS - 8/10 for the same reasons as AOTC.) Interestingly, my opinion seems to be the inverse of the consensus at fanedit.org; I liked TPM the best out of your edits.  

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#595546
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The Fall of the Jedi Trilogy (Released)
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That's cool, and I'll admit that the virgin birth in isolation isn't *so* bad without the prophecy stuff making more out of it. 

Also, about the final space battle, I wonder if there is a video game or some other source out there to lift dialogue from to create some "chatter" from the mystery pilot. He could say something like, "I'm going in... target acquired... it's a hit!" or something along those lines. Might help sell the idea. I do like the idea, as it helps shift the role of protagonist for Episode I to Obi-Wan (and Qui-Gon). Anakin can take over later in Episodes II and III. 

Again, I enjoyed this edit more than I have any other, and look forward to seeing II and III when my wife and I get the chance. 

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#595088
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The Fall of the Jedi Trilogy (Released)
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EDITED to be more constructive.

After watching Harmy's new version of Star Wars, followed by the first versions of ESB and ROTJ, my wife insisted we watch the prequels too. I protested, but gave in. I glanced to see which fan edits of the prequel trilogy were rated highly. I had seen L8wrtr's edit of TPM in the past, so I decided to give yours a try. 

I've only seen TPM so far, though I briefly scanned II and III and will watch them in full next. While I don't think it's perfect, I can honestly say I had never had such a painless viewing of TPM before. The film blew past quickly, with everything critical to episodes II and III remaining. I do support the idea of removing R2-D2 and C-3PO from the prequels as much as possible, if not totally. 3PO has no business on Tatooine prior to ANH, IMHO. I understand recoloring R2 is impractical, though I believe it would have to be done to really sell the concept that this is a different droid. Threepio could be redubbed, when he appears in II and III. He could still be personably similar to the 3PO we know from the OT (given his onscreen mannerisms and body language), yet different enough to distinguish him. He could even identify himself with a new name, and identify R2 with a new name too. 

I second the opinion that removing Anakin's involvement in the final battle seems strange. Anakin is painted as being the [Plinkett Voice] protagonist [/Plinkett Voice] and it seems strange to have him be next to the Jedi in the midst of danger one moment, and be absent the next. (Did he die?) I'd suggest either including Anakin in the film's climax, or downplay him as a main character until Episode II. If I could make another suggestion, showing some close-ups of R2 during the final battle would help prevent it from looking like a "mystery pilot" that never gets revealed later. 

My only other complaint, and unfortunately both HD sets of prequel trilogy fan edits retain these, surrounds the bound up issues of Anakin's virgin birth and the chosen one prophecy. I don't really need to say much about these. 

You did well to make Obi-Wan seem more jealous of Anakin, and to take him as an apprentice himself. It makes him more responsible for his fall later, which is something Obi-Wan seems remorseful about in ROTJ. It also gives us less reason to view Obi-Wan as annoyed at Anakin in AOTC, since he's not a horrible kid that he was obliged to train. 

That being said, I really did enjoy the film. The pacing and focus makes this film much more... enjoyable. There are very few things about it that I would change. If I can, I should like to finally find a decent program and gain the skill needed to edit from this HD source and merely make a few small changes to your edit so that I could have a version I could really be happy about. 

Tremendous job! It's really a tough call between your edit and L8wrtr's. Yours is bolder, though I think his sits more securely by being more conservative. 

I wonder if you could be even more bolder by combining the Fall of the Jedi trilogy into a 2-hour Fall of the Jedi standalone film. I'd also think you'd do a masterful job at a more rigorous ROTJ edit. 

I shall report back once I've seen episodes II and III, but know that I enjoyed this one very much. 

It's frustrating to want to mix and match preferred prequel fan edits, since most have minor changes that conflict with one another. 

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#594039
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Actually, there's just a few 97 changes I'm putting in for myself, mostly for ESB. For SW, mostly mono mix bits that were reiterated for various future mixes but that are absent in Hairy_Hen's mixes. 

BUT, my point is to say thanks for syncing this whole thing to the GOUT for all these flexible sorts of things to be possible for the crazies like me.