I’m not sure what you’re asking. The OOT or SE versions of that super short scene work fine, but if you want to revert the actual Vader line you also have to cut the shot of him walking toward the shuttle.
- The infamous “other.” Suggested edit: “No, there is the other.”
Now that’s an interesting idea. Still doesn’t make a great deal of sense. One imagines Ben and Yoda’s conversation continued after the scene ended.
Ben: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No, there is another.
Ben: Wasn’t ‘the other’ part of the group in danger Luke was concerned about?
Yoda: Not sure am I; pay attention to the specifics of what he saw I did not.
Ben: Well, it would seem the two would die or be saved together, wouldn’t you say?
Yoda: MmmmmMMMMM. Right I suppose you were: our last hope that boy is.
Quick question I have re: the Empire Strikes Back Custom Special Edition: Is there a reason why Vader leaving Cloud City was cut entirely as opposed to simply restoring the “Bring my shuttle” line and music? I searched the thread but if the answer was there I must have missed it, apologies for my mistake.
Simple: it seems silly to request his shuttle be brought to him as he approaches it from ten feet away. That little scene doesn’t make sense if you just put the original line into the SE version.
Hey Hal, great work buddie! Could I have a link for ANH? Thanks man!
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Well put, and I completely agree. Anakin doesn’t track at all through ROTS.
Right. Please understand, I have never put Rogue One into a NLE so I’m going by my imagination and imperfect memory alone.
What I would imagine doing, though, is to cut the Mustafar scene but leave all other mentions of Vader in the film, including Tarkin telling his stooge to inform him about the attack. (I don’t know how it would play, but potentially include the first few shots of the Mustafar scene to depict or imply Vader being informed and being dragged out of his bath to tend to this attack, leading to feeling particularly peeved at the end of this movie and beginning of ANH.) Vader appears as his star destroyer arrives, orders a boarding party, and mows down the troops in the hallway.
I know that video feels that the viewer need literally no build-up to Vader appearing in the hallway, but I disagree, even if every single viewer is already familiar with him.
I like your list of changes otherwise, but I would suggest leaving mentions of Vader in dialogue throughout and his arrival at the end of the battle. I’d consider using the first chunk of the Mustafar scene (minus line about Krennic arriving) to depict informing him about the battle as Tarkin orders (ending with Vader getting out of his bath).
You’d have all the good Vader stuff, a cool introduction and in-character moment prior to his “I’m a fucking badass” scene. I have a hard time imagining it feeling right to literally only see or hear about Vader in that scene.
And if you remove the floppy disk being handed down the line, you lose the tension of that scene, right? Other than these things your edit sounds great to me.
It’s like Snoke, isn’t it? It was dumb to introduce, dumber to undo, and even dumber to redo.
That’s what my clip did, which Ridley worked on. It’s not in the same tone or rythmn at all, so it’s rough.
Hey, that’s great, I love that. Best way I’ve seen to incorporate that deleted scene into ROTS. Really feels like it belongs.
I’d agree, but only for the hologram in Ep3, because of AOTC’s implication that he’s starting to deteriorate. It must have been somewhere between 2 and 3 that he started masking himself. At least if you go by that.
Yeah, ROTS does not feature Palpatine reacting in any way to his change of appearance (or voice). As a subtler piece of the puzzle, his gradual descent into monster-face seen in AOTC was totally reversed for ROTS.
And though the movie doesn’t depict Palpatine calling Anakin, having him summon Anakin to the opera further implies that Palpatine is responsible for planting the nightmare and later profiting from the lie.
I think all these could have been done better were they decided upon during the actual production of the film, and so I feel good about LOE despite a few pieces of missing crystal clear exposition. Were it a different sort of movie without conditioning the audience to expect such exposition, I think these things would work better.
Thanks for indulging me, you guys.
Fair enough. I guess it still fits in well enough not to be removed.
The line is something like this:
“Well, I did not realize Skywalker was so wise. We will give him and the Jedi order the death he desires. [Once the rebels are gone, we will go to the planet and destroy the entire island.]”
I think the last part capitalizes on Rey’s passion for protecting the caretakers as seen in the deleted scene where she tries to do so. With no one on the island in this version, and nothing in Rey’s mind to correspond to anyone else living on the island, Snoke threatening to destroy the whole island seems excessive and blunt.
With the caretakers being removed, it might be good to trim Snoke’s line about destroying the entire island.
One could speculate that in universe the same company that made the old helmets the Rebels use is cranking out TIE pilot versions. A good design doesn’t need to be messed with too much.
It’s all a machine, partner.
I’m curious, can anyone report any viewing experiences they have had with Star Wars newbies, specifically on the question of Padme and Leia living on Alderaan.
I think what’s in LOE gives the viewer enough information to infer what’s taken place when they get to the OT. (However, even if this isn’t the case, I would argue that the PT rarely considers the saga from a first-time chronological viewer anyway.) It’s not made explicit in dialogue that Padme and Leia are going to Bail’s planet to live, though the design is different from Naboo and his ship takes them there, with Leia being aboard ‘her’ very similar ship at the start of ANH.
The ending has less exposition than ROTS does, but given how the PT assumes familiarity with what came before, I feel it does enough of what is needed. However, I’m just wondering if anyone has any data about first-time viewers. I’m glad I did the alternate ending version while I had all the footage laid out so that it’ll always be there as an option.
If you’d like audio, just let me know. Not because you can’t, but because perhaps you’d prefer not to.
My thinking about Rose’s fathier line is that it originally set things up for her to be thrilled to see one up close and feel outrage at the way they have been treated.
With the line removed in a version of the film without further interactions with fathiers, Rose still seems interested enough in them to facilitate Finn’s scorn as he notices them being electro-whipped without implying there will be anything more to it later on.
If the space horses in IX have anything to do with Rose and it makes sense, I may end up putting her line back in as setup for that. But as things are, I feel better about the line being removed.
Wow, I never knew that. Holy cow.
We tried that, but I think it’s a bid dull and confusing. Even so, I like the balance poppasketti struck with the music being altered.
Thank you for sharing that; I’d have liked to be a fly on the wall.
That’s a good point about the nightmare and lack of spelling it out. I would think it’d still be comprehensible, given the following scene’s discussion of saving people from death. In TAS Anakin doesn’t dream that his mother will die, just that she’s suffering. Dreaming the dream we see of Padmé in LOE may actually be more resonant with that, though kept in subtext and not spelled out with exposition.
And yeah, these edits aren’t beholden to ‘memes,’ and suppose that they were what was released in an alternate universe; pretending this is the case isn’t always going to work effectively. Palpatine’s antics might just be the biggest difference between LOE and ROTS in actuality, and that’s a fair thing to miss. When I exhibited these a few years ago, Yoda’s missing saber duel was everyone’s main/only critique of Ep2. On this and similar points I’d more value the newbies’ take.
I wish you a happy OT viewing next weekend, also.
EDIT: Maybe it’d be fun to load up both versions of LOE and either randomly pick one or have someone else who doesn’t know the difference flip a coin and click on it. You wouldn’t know what happens with Padme until it does at the end.
At this point I hope the tail doesn’t wag the dog; I hope they craft a fitting end to the trilogy as it is by this point, rather than moving away from their trajectory in paranoid reaction to perceived backlash.
I do wonder to what degree Palpatine is the sincere (potentially planned all along) conclusion of the story that’s developed, or corporate decision in reaction to what was done with TLJ.