Hal 9000

The original issue was “Hey, regular TIEs like that don’t have hyperdrive!”

With Vader’s TIE it would be “Hey, Vader didn’t take his TIE to go to the DSII, where did that come from?”

With the shuttle it would be “Oh, I guess the DSII explosion was reeeally overpresented in ROTJ if there’s ships inside that still work!”

And that last one feels better than the original TIE because while you still have to accept that the DSII ‘sank’ more than blew up, at least the ship he used was about as plausible as the TIE but has hyperdrive.

I bet JJ would’ve used Vader’s TIE if even he thought he could get away with it.

Well what’s the TIE convey? That he used a bad guy ship to fly out of his own bad guy persona’s gravesite? Or that it pairs with its good counterpart (the X-wing)?

Vader’s TIE says he is reclaiming something of Vader’s to put to good use, similarly to Anakin’s saber a little later.

The shuttle is just plausible, and has hyperdrive that a TIE like that wouldn’t. It makes sense for that setting. And in the shot it contrasts with the small X-wing like he had to hijack a bus or something to get there.

The insufferable nerd in me insists the shuttle is the better choice, as using Vader’s TIE trades one issue for another and grabs your attention to make you wonder how likely it would be for Vader’s TIE to even be there rather than whispering subtly about regular TIEs not being able to fly through hyperspace.

It wasn’t evening-me’s fault the dog ran off and go run over, it was afternoon-me’s fault for leaving the gate open. What was I supposed to do when walking into a situation like that fresh?

Well that’s good, I guess. I wish I could make that last note of triumph after the ice wall hold a bit longer, as would’ve been the case if that was the scene’s end. The TIE sound starts to build before it crosses over, and it abruptly loses the sort of rumble effect the foley had.

I feel a little more context about what’s happening in this world when picking up the story after 30 years, and after a trilogy set in the past that gave us a great deal of context, would have gone a long way.

You remember that episode of Star Trek where Kirk was split into a good half and an evil half?

I’m the half that was benevolent but indecisive. Since there’s been so much interest and things done, I guess I gotta be directive.

I like both of those options a lot. The Vader TIE says sometime but doesn’t make any sense, whereas the shuttle is less meaningful but goes further to reducing the “not making sense” aspect of the original shot. The original TIE wasn’t really meaningful anyway, they just showed us something common that Kylo found that was flyable.

Does anyone have a working link to poppasketti’s fun TIE replacements? I’d like to see them.

The audio feels pretty ugly to me; are you guys listening with earphones?

Does anyone have any sound effects laying around that could depict bursting through the ice wall, maybe some shimmer or WOOoooosh of trailing off into hyperspace? If foley can be identified the music wouldn’t be as problematic. (This is the kind of thing I’d spend an hour doing myself if I were able. Getting audio to feel right really does take patience. I may be able to at some point but I toss out my thought process in case anyone does come across something suitable.)

And kewlfish, it’s good to have you here! It’s a weird, arguably stupid thing we do around here but we… we like it. At least the 9000 saga will go out on a high note. And then I can get stabbed by Vader.

LAAAAAUUNCH

After TFA set the tone by drop kicking world building, the best the next movie could’ve done is split the difference.

We saw Vader arrive on the DSII in a shuttle, and he hasn’t been seen using his TIE since ANH. I know “realism” isn’t this movie’s strong suit anyway, but the shuttle just seems to make more sense.

Believe me, I’d have way too much fun with random branching if it were trivially easy to set up.

specialk2121 said:

What’s the audio track used in this scene. Cus i feel like it fades out to suddenly

It’s “Falcon Flight.” I used the portion aligned with the burst through the ice wall and the portion that aligns with the transition to the next scene.

So it transitions from the film audio into the matching portion of the soundtrack to avoid TIE sounds, then into a later portion of the same music that aligns to what is being transitioned into, then into the next scene’s audio.

The issue is that the music goes right into peppy action time right after the ice wall thing, when in this context it should linger and serve as an end to the scene.

I’ll try that. Since the first shot of the transition can be as long as it needs to be, there’s less of a need to follow the original wipe closely to minimize loss.

Lol, it’s hard to deny the power of having that be the ship he uses, even if a shuttle seems more “”“realistic”"". Let’s toss it around but I’d be okay with it.

For now, here’s the best I could do with the audio for now, at least. It sucks because I have to fade out of the audio before the TIE sounds begin, which is a little different from each channel. Music fills the gap, then it has to transition into later in the track, then transition to the following scene’s audio.

It… sucks? A little bit. Anyone is of course welcome to give it a shot. it’s a first pass, and often a second or third can crack something. But it’s all I have time for for now!

https://vimeo.com/421773293

Lol I want to see it but the link doesn’t take me anywhere!

I could be talked into Vader’s TIE. I guess they’re both there ready to go wherever is decided.

That makes a lot of sense when it’s laid out like that.

In the movie it felt like, “Kill her. Or bring her to me, or… you know what, why don’t you just kill me?”

It’s a sort of Jerusalem; it gets claimed and reclaimed and snatched and rebranded.

Jonh, you just let us know when you have it where you are once again happy with how it all looks. It’s a gem, so polish it to your heart’s content. 😃

If I’m very lucky I can totally finish up with everything ROTJ for the time being and then have sporadic time to implement the things that have stockpiled for TROS.

It sounds good to me, coming through my phone anyway. If each channel in the 5.1 mix feels right compared to its original, it should do fine. This’ll be super helpful in getting this together. The first thing I’ll try is the unused score for when Rey catches the saber in TFA. I just don’t think triple-dipping Burning Homestead would have felt right in the theater. It’s great but it was already (re)used in TFA.

There may be cause for an alternate audio track. That’d be a safe place to add music to scenes that didn’t have any, like the Death Star Duel or fight on Pasaana. And maybe using Burning Homestead for the saber catch. Just an idea…

Wonderful, thanks so much for doing that. Is that link a full highest quality export?

Poppasketti killing it again. Whenever you’ve got them how you like them send me the full quality export!

The TIEs in the opening shot appear to be heading toward the Star Destroyer, not down to the planet. If we cut to TIEs leaving the destroyer, I’d probably assume they’re different ones. Personally if we wanted to put TIEs in an extra shot, just going from the opening to a forest landscape with TIEs presumably heading to where the action is would work. Maybe a couple troop carriers could be there, as though the troops had vacated them and already left the area. But then we’re just opening a can of worms of what can or should be done with such a shot.

I’m happy to utilize any end result that feels natural, but I repeat I never was bothered by the way the film opens, other than the sucky crawl and mentioning Palpatine right off the bat.

Turns out I already made the corrections. I think what happened is I made the corrections but didn’t update the “ready to be muxed whenever the video stream exists” audio files already sitting there.

So bear with me.

I’d believe it was done in reshoots, similarly to Anakin’s change in motivation toward the dark side in ROTS. In that one it was pretty easy to tell almost shot by shot whether you were looking at reshot material or not.

Yeah it works really well. I’ve got it patched up and “final” in my timeline. I can always go over again and try to improve the audio, but it’s in there ready to go. The weakest point is removing the music from the transition into Chewie being seen, replacing the blast door sound effect and fading into the scene’s audio.

Hehehehe… boy. The audio files I had prepared for this for months do not take advantage of the the improvements to the Sarlacc sequence I did for an update to the OOT-synced 1997 SE audio project. The shot where Luke stares down the Sarlacc from the plank has the wrong sound.

I only put out the 1080p version so far, so I’ll pull it until I can correct and reupload.

Yeah it does. I didn’t feel it was worth the shifting of sources in order to remove since the difference is much more noticeable than jumping between 2011 and 2004.