Ah, I’m not sure! I would hate to break up the shot of Ben slowly turning to look. But I’ll play with it next time I am lucky enough to get the chance one of these nights. Maybe even tonight.
Yes, that’s the plan at this point.
And it wouldn’t need serious alteration for the Rey Nobody cut. Unless that version’s logic gets entangled at all, like if that thinktank decides to alter her parents’ role or something.
True. On second thought, I take back what I said. It’s best to simply remove Finn’s dubbed-in line.
Plus the Palpatine changes, of course.
I agree, and this is where I am.
Also, Poe clarified that D-O provided everything needed about Exegol “except how to get there.”
D-O plus Rey equals all they need. No issues, at least not more than anything this movie addresses with a quick throwaway line here or there.
I haven’t sat down with it yet but I like that. Might even be good to reverse “Empress Palpatine” and “you will take the throne.”
Might be able to mess with it today or tomorrow. We’ll have to see.
I think it would be weird for him to speak so frankly with his military guy about this kind of thing. And as you said, it’s pretty rough.
Nice! I’ll nab it and add it to my timeline
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Sure. Lol okay I think we’ve got a good plan here.
^ I can try swapping those two lines but I’m skeptical it will work well.
In this way of thinking about it, Palpatine wanted Rey dead as a child bc he sensed her power as a threat. Her parents wouldn’t betray her location so he killed them.
And that ought to work fine in this and a Rey Nobody version. Unless the latter goes for keeping her parents and deadbeats.
The line about transferring Palpatine’s spirit has already been moved to the opening sequence in address to Kylo Ren. That should be enough to imply he could change his mind and select a new target, in principle.
I’m not saying it’s great but to me it would’ve had a lot fewer people walking out of the movie genuinely confused about Palpatine’s plans throughout the plot.
What would be sublime is a line to add to the Palpatine-Pryde conversation to further imply this. At present he does say Leia threw a monkey wrench into his plans and he intends for Rey to come to Exegol…
somehow.
Actually… in this new streamlined approach, why the heck would he expect her to come there?
Anyway, some line about “Now I’ll focus on her” or something would help further. It might not need to be a slam dunk match if hologram processing is applied and perhaps further applied to the entire scene to get it to fit in.
^This
In addition a similar ad could play on Anakin’s Nintendo thingy.
Man, in 2005 I was just like “dude that’s literally a GameBoy Advance.”
I’d recommend pursuing Rey Nobody ideas in the main thread about it, as I’ll end up using whatever is produced there and it’ll just get fragmented and lost in this thread.
As Luke and Anakin share a tearful goodbye on the faltering second Death Star, a conspicuous puff of blue smoke moves toward frame left and heads toward space.
The movie doesn’t indicate why Ochi was on Pasaana. We’re only there to track him and he was there to… ???
And I guess Palpatine had the Wayfinder on his shuttle when he arrived on the DSII. If the scene lasted ten seconds longer we’d have seen a red guard carrying it behind him.
It wouldn’t solve as many things as elegantly, as to me it still begs the question “why was Palpatines literal or figurative puppet so keen on killing her last time?”
Possibly because Rey has changed a lot in the year between VIII and IX.
We still have Palpatine ordering her death at the start of TROS.
These two simple line removals just make everything click so much better imo. The alternative is a lengthy procedure that removes large portions of this film to have things make sense.
Agreed.
It wouldn’t solve as many things as elegantly, as to me it still begs the question “why was Palpatines literal or figurative puppet so keen on killing her last time?”
No argument about that. What I’m saying is that for the purposes of this project I place some value on having things make sense even if one inferred, as I did in the theater in December 2019, that Snoke is his meat puppet.
So to summarize:
Remove Finn saying that “He wanted her alive” because it doesn’t make a lick of sense and was clearly added in after filming.
Remove Palpatine saying “I never you wanted you dead. I wanted you here.” (And optionally remove “for my grandchild to come home” because it implies the same thing and is a really goofy line)
Yes. But I’m not certain about the optional part.
Is the dyad related to healing? The first thing she heals is a snake. And going outside the movies while still in live-action, Grogu healed someone too.
Hmm, I guess so. But if he could’ve just done that at any time, why not do it before when either Kylo or Rey were standing in front of him?
I still find this new idea more intuitive than all that.
And removing the dyad lines, even though it’s a throwaway technical solution we know nothing about, would make the healing effect even more random and out of nowhere.
lol, and we’re sure all this is the better option than Snoke just not knowing her identity and Palps never wanting her dead? (half-kidding)
I’d say so, for real, at least because he seems to want her dead at the start of TROS. And bonus points for keeping it practically Snoke = Palpatine.
And I imagine simply removing Palpatine’s line “I never wanted you dead, I wanted you here” even though it could be interpreted as him improvising and lying. The rest can be theatrics; “Oh, it’s my wonderful granddaughter please help me with something.”
Damn, you’re probably right. I wonder what the point of that scene was then.
I think it would certainly be possible to end after Poe reacts to the now-last line “… a little girl he was supposed to take from Jakku to the Emperor.”
It may be news to them, and remains ambiguous about Palpatine’s plans. I’d imagine hearing that as consistent with what’s been established about trying to kill her.
(Even with the plot description quoted above, it still makes no sense why Palpatine decides at some point to kill adult Rey and just accept death. We’ve no choice but to alter that convoluted chronology with this edit. Now, Palpatine sensed her power as a threat and wants her dead. She reappears as a light-sider as an adult and still must die. Ben is redeemed and so he figures it’s worth trying to claim Rey as a vessel.)
EDIT: And as a missive, it helps a lot not to be additionally burdened by making sense out of Leia (and perhaps Luke) somehow knowing Rey was Palpatine’s granddaughter before TROS.
I guess it actually makes some sense related to rumors before the movie came out about Palpatine saying he was going to die and he was grooming Kylo Ren as a successor. Problem is the movie leaves us with a mess.
If we can flatten it to Palpatine wanting to kill Rey to resorting to her after Ben is redeemed, I think that’ll help a lot.
Moving the ‘spirit transfer’ line into the opening sequence already breaks the above plot outline, at least implying that Palpatine could take over more than just Rey in particular.
From Reddit. Jeez, what a convoluted mess, little of it being meaningfully implied at all by the film itself:
“Palpatine’s plan for Rey and Kylo as explained by TROS novel
Since TROS didn’t explain why Palpatine goes from “kill the girl” to “strike me down” halfway through the film, the novelization was forced to come up with some pretty convoluted explanations. Let’s take a look.
Immediately after his first death, Palpatine’s spirit enters a Clone body on Exegol (which he rediscovered during the Imperial era), but quickly realized it’s an imperfect vessel as it starts to decay. The Sith Eternal, a several thousand year old cult, creates other clones which fail until one thrives, albeit non-Force sensitive and non-identical. Realizing that he is doomed, he calls this clone his son and believes that his grandchild would inherit his force sensitivity and be able to hold his spirit. (Side Note: His Son is created in 4 ABY and Rey is born in 15 ABY, so accelerated aging is probably used on the clones).
However, his Son and Daughter in law ultimately realize his plan and hide Rey on Jakku when she is 6. Palpatine’s assassin, Ochi, can’t find her after killing her parents (genius move) and ultimately dies on his other mission, recovering the Endor wayfinder to conceal the location of Exegol. Palpatine believes Rey is dead and accepts that his going to die and decides to groom a successor to the Empire and Sith. He chooses another Skywalker and starts communicating with Ben. He also commissions the creation of Snoke to rule the First Order for him and to seduce Ben, who proves himself a worthy Sith by doing what all Sith do- kill their master. Palpatine offers Kylo his forces once they are completed making Kylo Emperor and Darth Lord of the Sith.
Even though Palpatine learned Rey is alive and he could rule through her, he decides to kill her and give Kylo everything. Once Kylo redeems himself, Palpatine contacts Pryde and has the First Order merge with his forces and decides to fall back to his original plan and possess Rey. However, she kills him and unlike in ROTJ, he wasn’t prepared to essence transfer (an art form he learned from Darth Plagueis) and dies for the last time.
There’s many problems with this. The obvious being cloning force sensitives, non-identical clones, clones not receiving midichlorians but their offspring does instead, and Ochi being a dumbass. But it’s also weird that Sidious would just be content with dying after going through all that trouble and not only that but he’s still okay with it even after learning Rey is alive. And he could sense Kylo’s redemption from across the galaxy, but he couldn’t sense his own granddaughter.”