Also @DZ-330 Hal has removed Finn’s line “He wanted her alive” to simplify Palp’s scheme.
Oh yeah! That’s right. Long day today 😕
I think part of why a restructure may help is that it helps with the flow of time more. Either way works though 🤷♂️
Just made a quick mock-up. Here is my order:
Link: https://vimeo.com/583203979
PW: fanedit
JEDIT: I think learning from D-O that Palp’s plan is for Rey being alive, and then the NEXT scene he talks to Pryde about Rey coming to him plays out extremely well. Then we cut to Rey deciding to go followed by the Resistance tracking her ship and following. In my opinion, it flows so much better. Hopefully y’all agree…
I like the way you think DZ-330! However personally, my only concern with that order would be you lose the transition from Chewie howling to Kylo standing alone on the Death Star, which I would be really sad to see go. I just think it works quite well and was pretty impactful the first time I saw it in cinemas.
How about this way? I may try mocking something up.
Focus on Leia:
Droids:
Rey:
May I propose a different order that seems to be a little more focused and hopefully allows less jumping around to other planets and topics:
Focus on Leia:
Droids:
Rey:
Hopefully the posts, thoughts, and suggestions by members on here who took the time out to engage and illustrate that to you will also sink in.
I owe you a coffee my friend. Thank you for ending the nightmare 😂
Also
There is a way to provide meaningful criticism and debate an issue without doing it in a rude way.
Could you give me an example of how to do that when it comes to fan edits and how I respond to specific changes?
Instead of just complaining how it ruins the original film and how it is “wrong” to do, try explaining your points in a more logical way. Make your case without being rude to other people’s ideas. Change A could actually hurt the message of the original film for Reason A, Reason B and Reason C.
Part of fanediting is about changing the message of the film itself. Some changes may not just be to change the effect of a shot but part of the story, and you need to get better at respecting that faneditors do not care about the original message, they are trying to make their own message with the given material.
When you are making comments explaining to someone what a plot hole is, that’s degrading. Anyone on this site knows what that is, and by doing so, it makes you look like a dick.
Think of how a parent calls out their child for doing something wrong, or something similar with authorities and people who’re unintentionally breaking laws. I’m sure you guys have good intentions, but I’m just trying to let you see the bigger picture here.
This explains enough about your issue.
Again, so you guys’ll listen.
You need to understand that not everyone will agree with your criticisms and being rude won’t help your case at all.
@TestingOutTheTest
There is a way to provide meaningful criticism and debate an issue without doing it in a rude way.
You act like your ideas are better than anyone else’s and then turn into a defensive ass when anyone calls you out on how you are rudely criticizing something.
You are the definition of an internet troll and it amazes me that the moderators of this site have let you go on for so long.
a plot hole (you’re probably already aware of what it is, but when two plot points directly contradict each other).
Are the mods ever gonna do anything about this condescending prick? It’s really getting old seeing posts like this every time I try to enjoy this site.
Downloading now!
A quick “pro-tip” to anyone here:
Thank you for all of your hard work @Adywan!
Thank the maker! Welcome back Ady! Beyond excited with this news. Wishing you all the best as you complete these projects.
I’m still waiting to know! 😂
“Leia told me that she had sensed… PAUSE… she had sensed the end of her Jedi path”
Kinda makes Luke seem a little upset she didn’t finish her training. Whatever works!
Sentence mixing it in my head, it doesn’t seem like it’d sound natural. There ought to be emphasis somewhere in the sentence, like “Leia told me she sensed the end of her Jedi path.”
This was my go at it:
Sounds fine to me!
Well put @Burbin 👏
Hopefully this can be realized in this cut of the film.
Fair enough. Plus we know Kylo didn’t see the whole truth. Headcanon is that he made that up to help twist the knife some.
Because during the flashback where Luke was training her, the twins were still young, and it is very likely that Ben had not been born at that point. By having Leia end her Jedi training to focus on being a mother, it would make sense to lay down her lessons from Luke. It also makes it seem Ben chose to die rather than it being destined to be.
What if…
Luke: “It was the last night of her training. Leia told me that she had sensed the death of her son at the end of her Jedi path. She surrendered her saber to me and said that one day… it would be picked up again… by someone who would finish her journey. We’ll always be with you, but this is your fight.”
Leia quits being a Jedi, because as it has been explained numerous times, she never wanted to be one. Leia wanted to focus on politics and then dumped her son on Luke later on to train. What if we just make that line about Leia realizing that, being a Jedi is not for her, and someone else would eventually take her spot. In my opinion, it makes her taking on Rey as a trainee even stronger as she believes Rey would be her successor as a Jedi. Just food for thought!
Can someone help explain to me why “Leia told me she had sensed the birth of her son” is an improvement? To me, having someone close to you die is more of a reason to cease and desist than having a child being born. Can a mom not be a Jedi too?
Not trying to be rude, I’m just curious how this line change is viewed as an improvement?
Poppa’s edit actually doesn’t remove it, I’m pretty sure. I had to go in and remove it myself. Was pretty easy to do it seamlessly, though.
Would @Poppa consider a V3.1 with any potential changes needed in TLJ to make TROS a more coherent-ish story?
Ah, what a mess.
This should have been the main tagline for the film haha
I remember having this same conversation a while back. The problem with making her parents bad people is that the Palpy/Rey scene at the end relies on the whole “she will take her revenge!” spiel. He’s trying to get her to hate him. But if Palpatine is responsible for the killing of her parents, and they were bad people, then really Rey should be thanking Palps for neutralizing those scum bags. Not exactly the greatest strategy. And don’t even get me started on the fact that it makes no sense that they wouldn’t reveal her location to Ochi if they were bad.
Don’t get me wrong, it would have been better for them to be bad, but unfortunately the movie we have been given relies on them being good. Doing the opposite would involve removing way too much content and make the Rey/Palpatine scene kinda confusing.
I see your point. But I do think the revenge she could be taking would be because she was alone for all those years because of Palpatine. Rey being “no one” and on her own and not having a family her whole life was because of Palpatine and her deadbeat parents. Palpatine wanted her to feel alone and resent him and strike him down in anger so he could take over her. He even taunts her about having the power to save her friends. He even tries to tempt her to go bad to “protect” her new family. I could see it working that way but it may be tough to make that easily apparent in the film.
I think I’d prefer the default version of this project not to venture down the path of making her parents back into shitheads, but I see your point.
I’d argue it makes Rey’s character better in the film and trilogy. Because her new family actually loves and accepts her and wants her around. And the whole, “my parents abandoned me” view from TLJ is maintained and helps with contradictions. I think it should be considered for a Rey Palpatine cut.
@DrVibble Regarding your review. At one point you mention drama about Lucasfilm and Kennedy. You better not be referring to those false “civil war” rumors from Doomcock…
Word that less like a threat. Consider this a warning.
Would love for the mods to just prevent him from posting in this thread because all he does is troll everyone all day long and provide suggestions outside the scope of this edit.
It could work as a replacement for the removed lines “I never wanted you dead…”
Please tell me his line is: “Mistress Rey, he’s too powerful… what are you going to do?” 😂😂😂