Grand Admiral Thrawn

Love these changes!!!

Just out of curiosity, why do you not like the Kylo on the Falcon scene? 😂😂😂

I would argue for the Han Dice scene just for the sheer amount of fan work put in to restore it. Very impressive!

Octorox said:

Hal 9000 said:

I’ll reconsider my list of changes, but I really do wish to remain distinct from Starlight and avoid bending too much in its direction, even to include stuff I like. It’s there to be viewed in its own right, after all. One thing that may not be obvious unless you’re thinking about going about editing is that Starlight is sort of a gordian knot and some things about it I like only work alongside more extensive changes.

I don’t plan to use the dice scene or Falcon deleted scene, as much as I enjoy them, for instance. Not wanting a huge revamp, just that there’s a few things Starlight presents that enhance TFA:R’s existing goals.

Sounds like I may have to make my own edit that splits the difference between TFA:R and Starlight then 😛

Send a PM when finished!

Star Wars: The Force Awakens [A Starlight’ed Restructuring] 😂

Octorox said:

I wouldn’t add the whispers when Rey shoots the Stormtroopers, or remove the reference to the Death Star (I kind of like that bit of lampshading, even if it is a bit too cute by half.)

Personally I also don’t think the thumbs up moment lands as well without BB8 divulging the base location but I could go either way on that.

Otherwise I agree with everything on your list.

I can definitely see your point on those.

The only reasons I would say to include the whispers is that it was done on @Poppasketti’s cut of TLJ. Not sure if Hal added them to his or not. It is just a continuity thing with other fanedits of the sequels. So it could go either way.

I agree with the thumbs up moment as well. It is a cute moment but it kind of feels a little jarring if BB-8 does not give away the location.

As for the Death Star, it would be amazing if that hologram was replaced with Death Star II to show how much BIGGER Starkiller is. Plus removing the comparison would make the tagline of this edit irrelevant: “It’s another Death Star…”

Octorox said:

The scene from Starlight I would most want to see brought in is Han hanging up the dice in the Falcon cockpit.

Honestly I think you could be a little more liberal in borrowing changes and this edit would still have a unique identity and reason for being. Imo Starlight’s biggest swing is changing Rey’s arc from a traditional hero’s journey to a more ominous dark-side adjacent thing. That is a clear change in tone and intent which deviates from what the original film was trying to do. The color grading and voiceover changes also feel more editorial: an attempt to shape the film into something else than what I was. I think if you keep these changes out but bring in moments like Han’s dice, the restructured Starkiller base firing sequence, and Kylo on the Falcon, you could make a definitive edit for those who just want an enhanced cut of the original film, rather than something that radically alters the tone and intent.

Agreed, I listed some of the changes from the Starlight edit that either fix errors in the original film or help to improve continuity for the trilogy. I think these are fair changes that still would keep the goals of Restructured separate from those of Starlight.

Changes to consider from STARLIGHT: (Error fixes and continuity improvements)

ACT I

• Animate the ladder of Poe’s X-wing to retract as he powers up the vessel.
• Remove the continuity error of Kylo’s saber glow before it is activated to kill Lor-San Tekka.
• Insert an etching of an island behind the pilot doll in Rey’s house to illustrate the content of her dreams.
• Insert a light activating on the Falcon as it powers up, a light which Han deactivates later. This light indicates a tracking device which explains how Han found the Falcon so quickly.

ACT II

• Cut the exchange where BB-8 traitorously divulges the location of the Resistance Base while still including the droid’s thumbs up.
• Remove the ‘Cute boyfriend?’ repetition.
• Restore scene of Han hanging his dice in the Falcon cockpit, as well as color correct shots directly before the scene so that it more accurately blends into the footage. (Further blends TFA with TLJ)
• Remove Rey saying ‘Luke’ to Maz, allowing some more room for interpretation as to whether Maz is referring to Luke or Finn
• Add sound effect of Destroyer exiting Hyperspace to help explain why everyone suddenly notices its presence.
• Insert a new shot of the pirate ship Meson Martinet from Rey’s point of view, indicating that she intends to leave with Finn.
• Rey’s frightened look upon killing Stormtroopers is accompanied by a sinister whispering taken from The Last Jedi.
• Restructure the end of the Maz Castle battle so that Finn begins to run to Rey before it is obvious that he is too late.

ACT III

• Remove the comparison of the Starkiller to the Death Star. (They should be comparing to Death Star II)
• Leia’s ‘…again. Our system is the next target’ is replaced with her saying ‘The Senate is the target’, to which Poe adds ‘The Hosnian System’.
• Intercut deleted scene of Kylo on the Falcon with the prior scenes, altered to include new music and sound effects indicating his happy memories on the ship.
• Remove Poe’s lines reiterating how the sun draining works, in order to more quickly show the TIE interception.
• Move 3PO’s line ‘It would take a miracle to save us now!’ until later, and include unused lines from Poe indicating that they are switching focus to dealing with the TIE fighters before attempting another run on the Oscillator.
• Edit massive gulf that opens between the combatants to become merely a several meter crack in the ground. Remove shot of massive canyon.
• Remove Snoke’s line ‘It is time to complete his training’, replacing it with the lines ‘There has been an awakening.’
• Add shot of canyon forming to Rey collapsed over Finn in order to let the moment land.
• Add the Binary Beacon to Finn’s bedside, implying Rey placed it there for him to find.
• Remove the overly formal ‘my friend’ from Rey saying ‘Thank you, my friend’.

Hal 9000 said:

Fine. (I was on the fence about doing so, and wanted to avoid just importing a ton from Starlight.)

Thank the maker! In my opinion, Starlight goes a little too much into the fanedity-ness, but that one line always bothered me. Glad to see it go! 😃

Please tell me you are also removing the “cute boyfriend” bit. That still feels VERY out of place in the finished edit.

Cheers to the release of V2!

Hopefully everyone can have a much deserved break and throw on a substantially better version of TROS this Christmas with the family!

Hal, your work is amazing as always. Thanks for saving Star Wars once again.

Hate to ruin the party… but “a thousand generations live in you now” is still in V2 even though it is in the cutlist.

Hell yeah! Thanks Lawdog!

Refreshes page to see another question about stuff that has already been decided for this edit…

Can we all please try our best to look at the initial post frequently and limit this thread to only discussing topics currently relevant for Ascendant?

Things Hal needs to do next:

• Just keep an eye out for things at the moment.

Things waiting on others:

• Depict the Skywalker saber as ‘cracked,’ with an unstable blade reminiscent of Kylo’s (kewlfish completed some of the shots needed, as have Luka Frik and MoviesRemastered; RogueLeader is trying his hand at present)

• Remove the milky eyes that appear in Rey’s vision (NeverarGreat working on)

• Add a small line from the young actor who played Sors Bandeam in ROTS to the Jedi voices sequence (mediated by CaptainFaraday)

• Receive Italian foreign language track from IlFanEditore and a German track from KetchupGore

The point of having “You were right” was to help with the retcon from TLJ

I think if he said “I saw them. You were right. Your parents were no one. They chose to be…” it would flow a lot better.

Hal 9000 said:

If the key ingredient of the idea is Palpatine knowingly trying to drain the dyad, I don’t think the footage is there to establish what’s happening, as he holds his hands up in surprise to exposit what’s happening.

Again, I do like this idea and wish it could be fully realized without seams.

I guess the question is… can we make something doable for V2 for this idea and can anyone assist to make it happen?

Instead of “KILL THR GIRL!” at the beginning, can it just somehow be changed to “Bring me the girl!”

Rey still thinks Palpatine wants to kill her throughout the film.

Kylo thinks Palpatine just wants Rey, however he wants to go there together to defeat Palpatine. Palpatine wants them both for their dyad. Kylo is afraid Palps will kill her which is why he only wants her going with him; which is what Palp’s goal is.

Line Changes:

Kylo Ren: What could you give me?

Emperor Palpatine: Everything. A new empire. The might of the Final Order will soon be ready. It will be yours if you do as I ask. Bring me the girl, end the Jedi and become what your grandfather Vader could not. You will rule all the galaxy as the new emperor. But beware. She is not who you think she is.

Emperor Palpatine: The Jedi apprentice still lives. Perhaps you have betrayed me. Do not make me turn my fleet against you.

Kylo Ren: I know where she’s going.

Emperor Palpatine: Make sure of it. Kill her.

Emperor Palpatine: The Princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan, but her foolish act will be in vain. Come to me on Exegol, General Pryde.

General Pryde: As I served you in the old wars, I serve you now.

Emperor Palpatine: The Final Order begins. She will come; her friends will follow.

General Pryde: Yes, my Lord.

Emperor Palpatine: Your coming together is your undoing. The lifeforce of your bond… a power like life itself. Unseen for generations. And now… the power of two restores the one, true Emperor.

Chase Adams said:

NeverarGreat said:

here’s my take on the opening:

https://vimeo.com/640530188

password: fanedit

Okay, this has won me over on the two shot option. Brilliant ideas all around.

Agreed. I think this is the best option of what has been suggested so far!

What if the order was flipped?

TIES in space
Vader’s Castle (Biomes)
Overhead of lava and trees
TIES above the forest
Kyle Ren

Movies Remastered said:

^ I would have liked this comment 😉

Top comment search or thread search would be super handle too. I would help us track down older video links etc, especially as we’re closing 15,000 comments on this thread alone. 😲

Exactly my thoughts on this! Searching through PAGES of stuff to find a video link is a pain. Even being able to filter posts that contain external links would be nice.

Movies Remastered said:

Can we suggest that admin find a way to add likes to posts? There’s so much good stuff happening right now. 👍🏼

That would be awesome, especially if you can sort by liked posts or view most liked posts in a thread!

Hal, let’s do a recount! Shuttle is so much better 😃

sherlockpotter said:

Original ending for comparison: https://streamable.com/15r2vd

Potential new version: https://streamable.com/asygmi

I mainly tried to smooth over the pickup note between Rey’s Theme and the End Credit fanfare. Oh, and shoutout to bbghost for helping me find the correct music clips!

Perfection!

Master Lawdog said:

Also, is it still being worked on for the final shot to be an overhead shot of Tatooine in space as the Falcon makes the jump to lightspeed?

I would love to see this idea fully realized. I posted a mockup of it a while ago but my experience is nowhere close to where it would need to be to pull it off. I think the music just needs to extend out a bit. I’m just not a fan of it cut straight from Rey’s theme to the credits 🤷‍♂️

@Dat_SW_Guy had a mockup he made:

Agreed, Luke desperately needs to lose the long hair and few extra pounds Jonh trimmed off to fix that scene and make it watchable. With all the other added changes to the Luke scene, the final version will look like a masterpiece compared to the original.

EDIT: Especially with the de-blued Luke ghost

Master Lawdog said:

I forgot if jonh said he’d be interested in doing a version with Sebastian Shaw or not. I wish he’d come back around soon. For all we know, he could finish the crackly saber sequences since he’s already done a far grander sequence in this project.

When speaking privately with Jonh, he informed me that he would try taking a crack at it.