That would spoil his appearance at the end of the movie. It would need to be something before he dies but after the chain collision.
Not sure what you mean here. I am talking about the scene on Exegol when he is holding DeadRey™
Also… off topic, but can we add a new final line of Ben sadly saying “Rey” when she is dead? That is a much better final line for him than it being “Ow”.
I think we could actually cut “Let her approach” because right after that he’d say “She will come. Her friends will follow.”
The reason I put that is because he is actually giving Pryde an order for him to respond with “Yes, my lord”. Otherwise, Palps is just going off about his plan and Pryde just chilling there like, “Yup, okay”.
EDIT: That is a small issue I had with this edit since lines about him destroying a world were removed.
EDIT2: Plus, it makes sense to have it with the Final Order offices commenting on her: “She’s on approach. All ships rise to deployment altitude.” They ‘know’ she is going to take the throne, so they are preparing to leave when she arrives.
If we want to show that Palps really hates Rey for whatever reason this is a better take of that second line:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IQ2yk3Al4MYFn7s1DnozT7Cby9Xi0BW_/view?usp=sharingEDIT: Replaced it with a better take with the same concept.
I mean he did want her dead since she was born so there has to be some hatred there LOL
Here is a potential version:
Emperor Palpatine:
“The Princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan, but her foolish act will be in vain. Come to me on Exegol, General Pryde.”
General Pryde:
“As I served you in the old wars, I serve you now.”
Emperor Palpatine:
“The Final Order begins. She will come; her friends will follow.”
“The grandson of Vader was weak. The girl must take my throne now. Let her approach.”
General Pryde:
“Yes, my Lord.”
Great changes for V4! Exciting stuff 😃
I still feel we need one line from Palpatine though to help smooth over his change in target. I know it makes sense to us, but I feel a first time viewer would be slightly confused without the clarification.
How’s this?
“Long have I waited… for an heir to the Sith. The grandson of Vader was weak, but you are worthy, Empress Palpatine. You will take the throne. It is your birthright to rule here. It is in your blood, our blood.”
- Maybe (big maybe) an AI Palpatine line in place of “For my grandchild to come home! I never wanted you dead, I wanted you here.”
How’s this?
(off-screen) “Long have I waited… I never wanted you dead, but now I need you here."
(Cut to Palpatine on-screen)
(back to off-screen) “I can feel your growing darkness (on-screen again) Empress Palpatine. You will take the throne. It is your birthright to rule, here. It is in your blood, our blood.”
Does this better help to establish that Palps wanted her dead, but now that he senses the darkness in her he’ll use her as his target instead?
As for the “She will come, her friends will follow.” comment, Palps knows they will bring the fight to home, so him telling Pryde to come to Exegol can be interpreted as him wanting to prepare his defenses.
I don’t know… thoughts?
- Jannah AI voice to make it clear her company views Finn as their inspiration for rebelling
Finn: I never knew there were more.
Jannah: Deserters? All of us here were stormtroopers. We mutinied at the battle of Ansett Island. We followed what you did. They told us to fire on civilians. We wouldn’t do it. We laid our weapons down.
Finn: All of you?
Jannah: The whole company. One by one… I don’t even know how it happened. It wasn’t a decision, really, it was like…
Finn: An instinct. Feeling.
Jannah: A feeling.
Changing Jannah’s line a bit can give the implication that they weren’t all in the same squad nor deserted at the same time, but they each did what Finn did individually and have been building up their own First Order Refugee Camp with deserters.
If Disney really wanted to revive Star Wars, they should focus on popular side characters and stories (that are fresh and don’t require much prior knowledge):
Make MOVIES of (not shows)
Ya get the point LOL
As for the animated side of the house, and I have been saying this for YEARS!
Put it another way - imagine this show didn’t have the Star Wars name on it or even just that you haven’t seen an episode of any of the animated shows. Imagine you didn’t know who prequel Anakin was or that Hayden Christensen coming back was some major event. Would you still like it? Why?
Fair point. I think the biggest problem for some people more or less… is that the show cannot stand on it’s own. There is too much prior knowledge needed and key events and motivations are not explained within the show itself. But, it is a sequel after all!
But it does have those characters… so your argument isn’t really valid. The slower story is a welcome change. Not everything needs to be a rush to finish line.
Filoni is already on record saying that he sees the animated content as just fairy tale recounts, and that live action is “what actually happened.”
Besides, how does your logic explain why Ahsoka’s head tails were longer in Rebels? Or why she’s not wearing her tube-top outfit during the live-action recreations of the battles of Teth and Ryloth?
Filoni made a point to have Ahsoka’s outfit change from gray to white in live action. We now have 2 different outfits for Ahsoka in her show, and the NEW white one matches the end of Rebels, not the old gray one. Why go through that outfit change if it wasn’t in context to how Ahsoka appears at the end of Rebels? Ahsoka also has a spear at the end of Rebels as well. Where did she get this? The differences in Ahsoka’s appearance is too much to just assume it is the same scene we saw at the end of Rebels.
As for how Ahsoka physically looks, of course live action is going to look slightly different when it comes to head tails from a practical effect standpoint. As for the tube-top… Disney probably doesn’t want a child in that outfit running around in live action.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CiZMcU9NaKbyv2mMzegL1bgnkSqFlHRN/view?usp=share_link
Love it!
One more attempt though:
(off-screen) “Long have I waited, the last Skywalker failed my test."
(Cut to Palpatine on-screen)
(back to off-screen) “But now you have come, (on-screen again) Empress Palpatine. You will take the throne. It is your birthright to rule, here. It is in your blood, our blood.”
After today’s episode though… I am 100% confident Sabine will return without Ezra, finding out he escaped on his own. Sabine goes back to Lothal confused and upset, and Ahsoka and her part ways. There will be a time jump and Ahsoka will arrive again when she has a lead on Ezra.
These are NOT the same scene.
#AhoskaTheWhite
Different clothes and her staff. Filoni isn’t that dumb to mess up his own canon.
EDIT: Plus with Filoni being funny about when this scene takes place… I could see it being the closing scene of S1, setting the stage (with more context) for S2 or his movie.
Even simpler but made clearer…
Emperor Palpatine: “Long have I waited, for the strongest to rule, Empress Palpatine. You will take the throne. It is your birthright to rule here. It is in your blood. Our blood.”
I think this could work. Restore the line about her coming home, as Palps could have been hopeful that his bloodline was stronger than the Skywalker’s.
Emperor Palpatine: “Long have I waited, for my grandchild to come home! I never wanted you dead. I only wanted the strongest to rule, Empress Palpatine. You will take the throne. It is your birthright to rule here. It is in your blood. Our blood.”
Ooooo. I like that idea.
Fair enough! I was initially thinking of a way we could help clear up Palpatine changing his target from Kylo to Rey. But then that spawned a whole other idea down the rabbit hole.
Maybe if possible, still try to add a small line in the scene with Palp and Pryde to better clarify that he doesn’t want Rey dead now?
Palp: “…disrupted my plan… come to me on Exegol, General Pryde.”
Pryde: “As I served you in the old wars. I serve you now.”
Palp: “Spare the girl. The Final Order begins. She will come. Her friends will follow.”
Pryde: “Yes, my lord.”
Apologies for the incoming long post, but I was brainstorming and here are some ideas to help better sell Palpatine’s new plan in Ascendant. I think a lot of the original Palpatine lines can be restored and some others can be adjusted very slightly (if the AI voice is possible for Palps). I know this may be a little radical for V4 of this edit, but I think it could warrant a discussion given the new AI breakthroughs and the initial struggle of clearing up Palps plan for this edit:
RESTORE:
CHANGE:
CHANGE:
CHANGE (or potentially REMOVE SCENE):
CHANGE:
CHANGE:
RESTORE:
RESTORE:
Vader’s plan in the OT was never to kill Luke, but to turn him to the dark side for Palpatine, another TROS logic fail. But, I think if these few changes are able to be implemented it would definitely help clear up Palpatine’s plan and allow for some content to be restored.
Palp’s plan:
Kylo:
Rey’s struggle:
I like the line, but the reading seems a little too high-pitched and doesn’t really match his cadence in the rest of the film.
Also, here’s the ancient text line in context. Sounds pretty good! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1au_fzjCMYIkOholtONUhSEokGnu2hqJX/view?usp=share_link
I would nix “She still trained me.”
I’d agree, doesn’t really make sense in that context, does it? At that rate, the beginning of Luke’s next sentence needs to go too. I think it is a good concept, but we should just leave as is.
JEDIT: As much as the final lesson would be nice to include, I think the scene is more personal without it. And Luke’s 3 lessons were why the Jedi needed to end. He went back on that, no need for a lesson three or final lesson. And who knows, Luke may show up in the Rey movie as a force ghost to depart more wisdom, so it likely won’t be the final lesson in canon.
Luke: “What are you most afraid of?”
Rey: “Myself.”
Luke: “Because you’re a Palpatine? Leia struggled with her bloodline too.”
Rey: “She didn’t tell me.”
Luke: “Rey, final lesson, some things are stronger than blood…”
What if it isn’t the “dark” that Leia struggled with, but her bloodline and relation to Vader (which is canon I may add)? I think it makes Luke’s final lesson hit a LOT harder too.
Well, if we are revisiting it yet again, does this read better?
Luke:
“She was quick to learn in our training, but Leia was wary of the shadow that had turned our father. She felt she could better serve the galaxy through diplomacy, as our mother once did. She surrendered her saber to me and said that one day, it would be picked up again, by someone who would finish her journey.”
On the plus side, there is a big gap between sentences in the film. If you think of the scene without the flashback Luke and Rey are just awkwardly staring at Leia’s saber without speaking for a good 30 seconds. Maybe this fixes that LOL 😄
But overall, I love how we have it now and don’t think this is necessary dialogue to include.