Grand Admiral Thrawn

Is there any reason the “movie” couldn’t just start with Episode 3 and the opening crawl updated to state that Ahsoka and Sabine are en route to stop villians who broke Morgan out of jail and have a map to Thrawn?

Think of it as:

• ACT 1: Recovering the map and failing
• ACT 2: Interconnect Ahsoka and Anakin with Sabine/Thrawn/Ezra
• ACT 3: What’s to come, TBD

Anything left for V4?

I’m assuming Palpatine isn’t gonna have any added lines.

• Updated Rey vision scene

• New force healing illustration in the ancient Jedi texts

• Rey mentions the texts to BB-8 when she heals the sandworm

• Rey’s line changed from “your brother’s saber” to “your family’s saber”

• Leia tells Rey, “You are family” when she departs

• Leia now ends her Jedi Path because she felt called to serve via diplomacy as their mother did

• New dialogue for Poe during the briefing scene

• Kylo Ren calls Palpatine “a ghost in a rotting clone”

• New lines for Jannah to establish that her stormtrooper mutiny was inspired by Finn

EDIT:

• Replacement line for Rey: “Lightspeed clipped”

Emre16O1 said:

^ Dave Filoni: “I don’t think you would need to watch any [episodes of Rebels],” he said. “They’re all available on Disney+, so you can check them out there and that would be great”.

Let’s not take things out of context…

“They’re all available on Disney+, so you can check them out there and that would be great, but… for me, if you really were interested in [Rebels] and if it got people that maybe don’t – aren’t as interested in animation into it, I would start [with], probably, like, maybe the episode, “Jedi Night,” where the sad thing happens to Kanan. Even if you didn’t understand what that was, it would propel you forward. If you just watch Season 4 [of Rebels], you’d be set [for Ahsoka].”

NeverarGreat said:

So why not just make it animated and call it Rebels Season 5?

Making it live action implies that it’s a continuation of the current live action shows like Mando Season 2 where Ashoka showed up previously. It’s totally understandable why average viewers are confused that they have to watch an animated kids show set before the Galactic Civil War to understand what’s happening in a presumably adult-oriented post-Galactic Civil War show.

In all honestly, it likely should have been animated. But since they want Thrawn as the big bad of the Mandoverse, and they painted themselves into a corner with the ending of Rebels, what other choice did they have?

Sirius said:

What bothers me most about the show is the fact that it is something made strictly for those who watched Rebels.

The problem is that they had stated MULTIPLE times before the series aired that it was basically Rebels, Season 5. Watching Rebels beforehand is a requirement to understand what is happening in the show.

So it is kind of funny to me that people complain about that as a weak point for the show, the solution is easy… watch Rebels first. This show is a SEQUEL. Are you going to watch Jedi before Empire? Or Last Jedi before Force Awakens?

I think the new illustration works great and should be left alone.

We already see the lightsaber looks different and that Rey fixed it. It doesn’t need more explanation than that.

We see Kylo’s Wayfinder at the beginning of the movie and it leading him to Exegol. Rey hears Exegol and remembers reading it in Luke’s journal and it says you need a Wayfinder to get there. Easy.

Force healing is the issue. It randomly pops up out of nowhere in the film. Seeing the hint of it early on in the texts and then having Rey enforce that she learned it by reading the texts later on works wonderfully.

The ancient texts work better when they have knowledge of unknown force powers. Not being an encyclopedia of new items in Episode IX. Save that for Luke’s journal.

Consider me turned LOL 😄

I think this is the best option so far, leaving the Kylo stuff hinted to in the first line and making the second line strictly about Rey:

“I sense an even stronger heir will soon take my throne. Let her approach. The Final Order begins.”

The problem with that logic lies with Rey thinking Palpatine wants her dead and Palpatine wanting Kylo to kill her the whole movie.

In this edit all the Palpatine lines about not wanting her dead are removed. That is why it seems like we need to add something. That change in character for Palpatine wanting her dead to now choosing her as his target is not clear enough in the edit.

Here is another potential one:

"The boy has proven himself unworthy, but soon my true heir will take the throne. Let her approach. The Final Order begins.”

The more I think of it… Palpatine needs to specify that Rey will take his throne which is why he starts kicking off the plan since Kylo is no longer an option. He wouldn’t be testing her.

How about this wording instead?

“Vader’s grandson has proved unworthy, but now my true heir will take the throne. Let her approach. The Final Order begins.”

Hal 9000 said:

Good point about the Final Order line. If needed I bet the wide shot of the hologram could be looped.

Or just: “The final order begins. Vader’s grandson has proved unworthy of the throne, but the girl must now be tested. Let her approach.”

Better yet, make that line be the last:
“Vader’s grandson has proved unworthy of my throne, but now the girl must be tested. Let her approach. The Final Order begins.”

Jar Jar Bricks said:

That would spoil his appearance at the end of the movie. It would need to be something before he dies but after the chain collision.

Not sure what you mean here. I am talking about the scene on Exegol when he is holding DeadRey™

Also… off topic, but can we add a new final line of Ben sadly saying “Rey” when she is dead? That is a much better final line for him than it being “Ow”.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I think we could actually cut “Let her approach” because right after that he’d say “She will come. Her friends will follow.”

The reason I put that is because he is actually giving Pryde an order for him to respond with “Yes, my lord”. Otherwise, Palps is just going off about his plan and Pryde just chilling there like, “Yup, okay”.

EDIT: That is a small issue I had with this edit since lines about him destroying a world were removed.

EDIT2: Plus, it makes sense to have it with the Final Order offices commenting on her: “She’s on approach. All ships rise to deployment altitude.” They ‘know’ she is going to take the throne, so they are preparing to leave when she arrives.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

If we want to show that Palps really hates Rey for whatever reason this is a better take of that second line:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IQ2yk3Al4MYFn7s1DnozT7Cby9Xi0BW_/view?usp=sharing

EDIT: Replaced it with a better take with the same concept.

I mean he did want her dead since she was born so there has to be some hatred there LOL

Here is a potential version:

Emperor Palpatine:
“The Princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan, but her foolish act will be in vain. Come to me on Exegol, General Pryde.”

General Pryde:
“As I served you in the old wars, I serve you now.”

Emperor Palpatine:
“The Final Order begins. She will come; her friends will follow.”
“The grandson of Vader was weak. The girl must take my throne now. Let her approach.”

General Pryde:
“Yes, my Lord.”

Great changes for V4! Exciting stuff 😃

I still feel we need one line from Palpatine though to help smooth over his change in target. I know it makes sense to us, but I feel a first time viewer would be slightly confused without the clarification.

How’s this?

“Long have I waited… for an heir to the Sith. The grandson of Vader was weak, but you are worthy, Empress Palpatine. You will take the throne. It is your birthright to rule here. It is in your blood, our blood.”

Jar Jar Bricks said:

• Maybe (big maybe) an AI Palpatine line in place of “For my grandchild to come home! I never wanted you dead, I wanted you here.”

How’s this?

(off-screen) “Long have I waited… I never wanted you dead, but now I need you here."

(Cut to Palpatine on-screen)

(back to off-screen) “I can feel your growing darkness (on-screen again) Empress Palpatine. You will take the throne. It is your birthright to rule, here. It is in your blood, our blood.”

Does this better help to establish that Palps wanted her dead, but now that he senses the darkness in her he’ll use her as his target instead?

As for the “She will come, her friends will follow.” comment, Palps knows they will bring the fight to home, so him telling Pryde to come to Exegol can be interpreted as him wanting to prepare his defenses.

I don’t know… thoughts?

Jar Jar Bricks said:

• Jannah AI voice to make it clear her company views Finn as their inspiration for rebelling

Finn: I never knew there were more.

Jannah: Deserters? All of us here were stormtroopers. We mutinied at the battle of Ansett Island. We followed what you did. They told us to fire on civilians. We wouldn’t do it. We laid our weapons down.

Finn: All of you?

Jannah: The whole company. One by one… I don’t even know how it happened. It wasn’t a decision, really, it was like…

Finn: An instinct. Feeling.

Jannah: A feeling.

Changing Jannah’s line a bit can give the implication that they weren’t all in the same squad nor deserted at the same time, but they each did what Finn did individually and have been building up their own First Order Refugee Camp with deserters.

If Disney really wanted to revive Star Wars, they should focus on popular side characters and stories (that are fresh and don’t require much prior knowledge):

Make MOVIES of (not shows)

• A Bounty Hunter Trilogy set during the time of the OT.
• “Jedi Origins: Yoda”, potentially turn it into a series
• “Brothers in Arms”, live action Clone Wars movie series focusing on a squad of troops, cameos from other Jedi
• “Mystery of the Sith”, Palpatine origins

Ya get the point LOL

As for the animated side of the house, and I have been saying this for YEARS!

• “Legacy of the Jedi”, a The Clone Wars 3d-style animated show focusing on Luke post-ROTJ with the main OT characters as supporting characters. The final season could include some flash-forwards to help better smooth over the sequel trilogy (like TCW did for the prequels)
• Make it a long running show if possible (7-8 full-length seasons), and straight up adapt stories/arcs from EU/Legends
• Give the OT characters some cameos if possible, but hire different voice actors so they don’t have to worry about de-aging voices

Vladius said:

Put it another way - imagine this show didn’t have the Star Wars name on it or even just that you haven’t seen an episode of any of the animated shows. Imagine you didn’t know who prequel Anakin was or that Hayden Christensen coming back was some major event. Would you still like it? Why?

Fair point. I think the biggest problem for some people more or less… is that the show cannot stand on it’s own. There is too much prior knowledge needed and key events and motivations are not explained within the show itself. But, it is a sequel after all!

But it does have those characters… so your argument isn’t really valid. The slower story is a welcome change. Not everything needs to be a rush to finish line.

rocknroll41 said:

Filoni is already on record saying that he sees the animated content as just fairy tale recounts, and that live action is “what actually happened.”

Besides, how does your logic explain why Ahsoka’s head tails were longer in Rebels? Or why she’s not wearing her tube-top outfit during the live-action recreations of the battles of Teth and Ryloth?

Filoni made a point to have Ahsoka’s outfit change from gray to white in live action. We now have 2 different outfits for Ahsoka in her show, and the NEW white one matches the end of Rebels, not the old gray one. Why go through that outfit change if it wasn’t in context to how Ahsoka appears at the end of Rebels? Ahsoka also has a spear at the end of Rebels as well. Where did she get this? The differences in Ahsoka’s appearance is too much to just assume it is the same scene we saw at the end of Rebels.

As for how Ahsoka physically looks, of course live action is going to look slightly different when it comes to head tails from a practical effect standpoint. As for the tube-top… Disney probably doesn’t want a child in that outfit running around in live action.

Hal 9000 said:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CiZMcU9NaKbyv2mMzegL1bgnkSqFlHRN/view?usp=share_link

Love it!