Gothamknight

Artan42 said:
The problem with Tarkin for me was that it was just unnecessary. Guy Henry looks enough like Peter Cushing that I think they could have got away with a hair-piece, prosthetics, and some CGI to shrink him slightly and age up that lower jaw.

Oh, I agree that “resurrecting” Cushing wasn’t necessary. And yet, I appreciated and enjoyed the effort. But I had the opposite reaction to cartoony CGI Leia.

Anakin Starkiller said:
What?! Leia looked absolutely perfect. It’s Tarkin that was a little off.

Nope, Leia looked waxy and fake, as if a corpse had spontaneously resuscitated in her casket at the funeral home. Also, her chin and mouth area looked a little bloated, not a match for Carrie Fisher’s. The lighting was also off, thus failing to match the lighting in the room.

Check out this comparison:
http://bit.ly/2CR50yB

DuracellEnergizer said:
Frink and a few close associates are the only ones who’ve expressed a particular dislike for anime. Their dislike was so strong, though, that it became a running joke for a while to mock the stuff.

Well, add me to the Frink-and-friends faction! 😉

Collipso said:
Not sure if the puppet face would look good in a CGI character, but worth a try.

Sorry, but no. I’m not entirely anti-Special Edition. There were places where simple updating of the f/x was effective (e.g., the Death Star battle). Sure, back in the day they were limited to either a Muppet or a made-over midget for a character like Yoda. Having gone with the Muppet option, a justified, and effective, modernization would have been CGI.

Which is why, given what Lucas was willing to change - such as Greedo shooting first - it was absolutely absurd to me that he didn’t CGI Yoda’s mouth movements (not the whole Muppet), which had already been proven to work so well in Babe. This limited CG option would’ve worked well for the prequels too (for the Nemoidians also, not just for Yoda).

Collipso said:
Wow, it actually looks pretty good.

I don’t see much difference, myself.

Neither Leia nor Tarkin bothered me in RO though,

Tarkin was quite well done, but Leia was pretty bad.

😑😒

Hi, gang. Thought you might be interested in the prologue for Episode I (Rise of the Empire):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6bzq0hJI5s&feature=youtu.be

Enjoy.

CHRONOLOGICAL VIEWING OF THE SAGA

So I was just skimming through AOTC and ROTS to determine where I can drop mentions of “Skywalker.” This can work! Some more alterations to the prequels:

• No mention of “the prophecy” or Anakin being “the Chosen One”
• Was toying with nixing all mentions of Padme’s pregnancy - but then thought I could trim all related dialogue so that it’s implied she only has one baby, a girl
• When Padme’s in labor, cut “she’s medically healthy” and the mention of twins; show only Leia’s birth
• Eliminate dialogue that refers to Jedi having no attachments to anyone; trim dialogue so that it isn’t implied that Anakin and Padme married in secret
• Major change: Could VADER be the “(An)other” in TESB-ROTJ???; we never see Leia doing anything with the Force until TLJ, but I’ll be dropping the infamous “Mary Poppins” scene anyway, so there will never be Leia-the-Force-user

In my reedit of ROTJ, when Obi-Wan reveals what really happened, I’ll flash back to two key ROTS scenes: revealing both Luke’s birth and his being hidden on Tatooine. Hmm, I’ll also have to come with a way to cut around Obi-Wan confirming that Leia is “Another.”

For me such changes will both make the entire saga more enjoyable AND allow those unfamiliar with it to watch the whole thing in chronological order without spoilers.

OutboundFlight said:
What if you never mention the name “Skywalker” in ep 1? He is just referred to as anakin. I remember only Grevious, the kid, and Windu using the name “skywalker” in ROTS, they could be cut or trimmed. Maybe have a Jedi say in passing “master skywalker…” where anakin isn’t there to suggest to viewers that there is a skywalker, but we don’t know who he is. You could then watch the movie in chronological order (cut obi-wan’s mention took of “anakin” in ANH and ESB).

Another brilliant idea! Thank you, OBF!!!

Hal 9000 said:

My favorite way to use TPM as a prologue is what Octorox did:

Open with logos and “a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.” Right when it’d normally cut to the STAR WARS logo, instead cut to the wide shot of the duel of the fates (the beginning of the scene where Maul kicks Obi-Wan a few shots in). Throughout the duel, such as when Qui-Gon sits to meditate and when Obi-Wan is trapped behind the laser walls, we flashback to the key events of TPM centering on finding Anakin.

Wow - totally loving that approach. And it fits with my intention to give each episode a pre-fanfare prologue.
Thank you!!!

OutboundFlight said:
I would suggest for the prequels cut all of Ep 1 (except as a prologue of you are making those), one mid movie time jump is enough for an episodic movie and it adds nothing to the story.

Tempting, but I think the end-product would be somewhat dysfunctional. I just ran it through my head and it doesn’t seem to go well, at least as a mental experiment. The first idea that occurred to me was to have the Ep1 segment end with Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan having picked Anakin up from Tatooine. But of course then I immediately realized the rest of the movie would leave the gaping question of whatever happened to both Qui-Gon and Darth Maul.

So, I could jump immediately to the Maul-vs-Jedi confrontation on Naboo, but my first impression is that that would feel like something’s missing; like there’s really not much significance to this kid they’ve picked up.

I dunno, I’ll hafta play around with it. Thanks for the feedback, though!

Hmm, this just occurred to me as well. If I negated TPM altogether - where would Obi and Ani ever be introduced by their names??? The name Skywalker is first heard 2/3 of the way into Clones, though Kenobi is heard very early on. However, I’m going to be doing a lot of cutting of scenes and dialogue in which their names are heard, so it’d be better to have them already established using TPM material. And in TPM when Qui-Gon breaks off the fight with Maul and leaps aboard Amidala’s ship, he immediately introduces Anakin and Obi-Wan to each other; says their full names, so that’s a perfect intro.

On the other hand, do you think it would work to simply put their names in the opening crawl…?

MalàStrana said:
Oh… these titles… are all terrible 😃

Well, to each their own. I don’t presume they’re “great” - but then neither are most actual Star Wars episode titles, when you think about it. I don’t believe “terrible” is justified here.

I like DigMod’s title for his R1 edit: Rise of the Rebellion. Dawn of the Rebellion could also work.

See, personally those just don’t do it for me. 《Shrug》 Besides, in RO the Rebel Alliance already exists; RO is the story of a single mission, not the rise of the rebellion.

Ashes of the Republic [or] Twilight of the Republic could be great for your PT edit!

Those are good, I have to admit. Already paid $10 for a Rise of the Empire crawl, though, so I’m stickin’ with it. 😉 Here’s where I got the crawl:
https://brorlandi.github.io/StarWarsIntroCreator/

Besides, the very word empire is just “sexier” than republic, y’know?

Good luck with your edits 😉

Thanks.

Thanks for the responses, guys.

OutboundFlight said:

Love the username. However . . .

For Rouge One you should remove the planet title cards,

You really need to stop saying “Rouge,” since I’m pretty sure RO wasn’t about makeup application. You use it repeatedly in your “7-in-1” thread too; drives me bonkers. ☺

(I will say, though, a Vader-centric mashup is in fact one of the best reedit concepts I’ve seen. I’ll look forward to watching it.)

No concern about my Ep2 titling, actually. It’ll have its own opening crawl with Episode II as part of the larger title. I’m also getting keen on having an opening scene, kind of a prologue, between “A long time ago . . .” and the STAR WARS fanfare. I think most, if not all, of these reedits will have that.

What is your plan for ANH and ESB?

For ANH I will–

• start with Rogue One’s super-cool Vader scene as the prologue
• cut the Lars household meal scene and replace it with the deleted scene of Biggs and Luke at Anchorhead (yes, I realize that footage is in poor condition but I simply find it more interesting; it’s similar to how most people prefer the “Donner Cut” of Superman II, despite the fact that previously unused footage isn’t on par with the rest)
• Han shoots first (obviously!!)
• no Jabba
• cut the trash compactor scene (I find it boring now)
• spice up the Obi-Vader duel

And for TESB:

• Leia does NOT smooch Luke in the infirmary
• no space slug; they remain hidden inside the asteroid until the Imperial garbage drop
• slight alterations here and there to make it seem Luke’s on Dagobah for about a year - while the Falcon travels to Bespin at sublight speed over that same length of time

Okay, so I’m gradually reediting the entire film series. Fortunately they don’t all need a lot of work! The episodes will run as follows:

1. Rise of the Empire (Eps 1-3 mashup)
2. “____________” (slight alteration of Rogue One)
3. A New Hope
4. The Empire Strikes Back
5. Return of the Jedi (no Ewoks beating up Stormtroopers!)
6. Heirs of the Force (Eps 7-8 mashup)

Any suggestions for the title of the new “Episode II”? Obviously Episode II: Rogue One sounds lame. The following possibilities occurred to me:

• Rebels and Renegades
• Rogues and Rebels
• Knaves and Rebels
• Brigade of Scoundrels / The Scoundrel Brigade / Rogue Brigade / Band of Rogues / Rogue Force
• Agent Provocateur

I’m partial to something with “Rogues” in it, but am open to whatever.

I’m having a lot of fun mapping this out, because a group of us are gonna watch this “Super Series” later in the year with someone who’s never seen Star Wars before. So, I’m thinking Episodes 2-4 first (as per the reedit numbering) - then the prequel Episode I, explaining Darth Vader - then Eps 5-6. Gotta preserve the Big Reveal in The Empire Strikes Back!!

Hmm, yes, well, in an ideal world - that is, a world in which the prequels were actually well written (!!!) - I’d have a qualified agreement with you (more on that in a moment). That world doesn’t exist. The prequels as they stand are typically unliked or even loathed by a horde of Star Wars fans. If one wishes to reedit them in order to turn them into something enjoyable, one has to make do with the available material!

So, no, this reedit won’t be “impossible to pull off”; it just won’t turn out to be as substantial a story as you (and me as well) would prefer it to be. The objective here isn’t to turn the prequels into “what they should have been” - but simply to improve their watchability!

But more on the “influence character.” You’re being overly literal about it. There are all sorts of well-told stories that revolve entirely around a single character. What’s needed isn’t another character in the sense of a literal person - but simply a conflict in which the protagonist faces one or more challenges. And, well, obviously such challenges will present themselves to Obi-Wan in this reedit.

Such challenges function in the same way as what you call the “influence character,” without being literal persons.

I’m going to drop General Grievous and Tatooine from the crawl (Grievous might go altogether). AND, which of these titles do you guys like best?

• Knightfall
• Dark Force Rising
• Rise of the Empire

Thanks again!

Anakin Starkiller said:

You’d just need to provide an alternate backstory to Owen and Beru to explain why Luke is left in their care. Honestly, it makes more sense for them to be unrelated to Anakin, given that hiding him with his blood relatives isn’t really hiding him at all. I recommend making Beru Obi-Wan’s sister.

Fine idea, but how does one go about doing that in a reedit? Hmm, even as I was writing that it occurred to me that I can do a pretty good Yoda impression, and could possibly dub the line, “Your sister on Tatooine, perhaps,” with the camera on Obi-Wan.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I’m gonna go with that crawl but will likely drop the mention of Grievous. I just rewatched the opening scene of Revenge, and had forgot how cringe-worthy So many lines were.

So I’m going to cut the scene at Anakin’s beheading of Dooku. AND, I’ll have him do it all on his own with no prompting from Palpatine. In this reedit, Anakin’s just (a) a supporting character, and (b) a bad seed. One of Obi-Wan’s lines pretty much tells the tale: “His training has made him arrogant.”

What do you guys think of this possible crawl for introducing the mashup…?

A shadow has fallen across the GALACTIC REPUBLIC: unrest fomented on dozens of worlds by the mysterious Count Dooku and his mercenary henchman, General Grievous.

JEDI KNIGHTS, the ancient guardians of interstellar peace and justice, have been dispersed across the galaxy to aid in negotiations. Two such agents, a master and his apprentice, are sent to the planet Naboo to escort Senator Amidala safely back to Coruscant, the capital world.

But first they must make a detour to arid Tatooine in order to collect a troubled boy whom they believe has great potential for Jedi training. Little do they know that they are being trailed by a SITH ASSASSIN. . . .

Question: Does Anakin’s homeworld have to be Tatooine? I don’t remember if this becomes a necessary factor somewhere else in the prequels.

Anakin Starkiller said:
Since Grievous’ll probably be cut anyways, replace him on Utapau with Dooku. . . . add Dooku’s solar sailer being shot down in [this] shot

Refresh my memory: what instalment had that scene?

I kinda like the Grievous-Kenobi fight, though. Hmm . . . .

lerenor said:

Been working on a three in one edit myself and been thinking a bit about this problem. Thinking maybe add some comms chatter voice-over to the opening battle? Sort of like how it’s been done in this video; https://youtu.be/hlecG3nYaLw
All you’d need is a line or two along the lines of ‘the Chancellor’s ship has fallen’,‘the Chancellor’s been taken prisoner!’ ‘all units converge on general grievous’ ship’ or something like that. You’d have to record new dialogue though and maybe find someone with a Kiwi accent hahah 😉

Friggin’ outstanding! Thanks for such a great (and easy) solution. I’m doing it!

TV’s Frink said:

Gothamknight said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is this for this?

No, that’s for TFA-TLJ. This is for the prequels.

Lol reading is hard. My bad.

Haha, no worries. I tend to have multiple dishes cooking on the stove. 😃

doubleofive said:

I think him slaughtering Tusken Raiders is enough going dark for one long movie. It’s explaining what happened to Dooku that would be your problem.

In my version Anakin and Padme will never go to Tatooine. We won’t hear from them until Obi-Wan sends his alert from Geonosis. Throughout this reedit I’m treating Anakin as a supporting character; the story proper will focus on Obi-Wan’s personal experience of the Republic’s fall.

One thing that occurred to me today is to plant a semi-explanatory seed in the revised crawl, making Palpatine already the Republic’s chancellor, and mentioning that there’ve already been abduction attempts. Therefore later seeing him needing to be rescued (as far as the Jedi know) won’t be surprising.

TV’s Frink said:

Is this for this?

No, that’s for TFA-TLJ. This is for the prequels.

Hi, all. Working on my own mashup of Episodes 1-3, with only a single opening crawl. However, that leaves Palpatine’s faked abduction in the opening scene of Revenge unexplained. I’m tempted to nix the scene altogether - but like the way it shows Anakin “going dark” when he beheads Dooku.

Any suggestions . . . ?

Hehe, thanks. 😃