Yeah, just like all the stuff on Tatooine with Luke and his friends. I would LOVE to see all that... in a deleted scenes feature. There were reasons these were cut out in the first place.
Something I've always wondered about including that scene, though, would have been pacing. Where would it fit in the film? As much crap as I give the rescue plan in this movie, it does give the characters INTERESTING introductions into the film. Luke building his lightsaber, while being cool to see on its own, would probably ruin his introduction into that film.
Wow, good interview. Nice to know he's not fond of the SEs. Interesting how he was blatantly candid at some points but deeply reserved at others.
CO said:Nanner Split said:Since when has it been the trend to shit on the Back to the Future sequels? I always liked all three.
I agree. BTTF II & III are good sequels, as they don't fall in the 'shit' sequels category for me. They both lack that magic of the original, but BTTF II is very innovative and had a cool story, because what would anyone do if they had a time machine? Go back and bet on sports and become a millionaire!
Superman III & IV are shit sequels, movies that I saw once, and never ever want to see again. I think it was Superman IV where Superman addresses the United Nations? Even as a teenager I was like, WTF???
Yeah, I love the BTTF sequels as well. BTTF Part II was the first one I saw, so I have to have a fondness for it, although I now see it's not as timeless as the original. While some might write off the plot as being lazy, I find it intriguing the idea of going back into the events of the first film and seeing them from a different angle (even though I've long since noticed all the timing inconsistancies between the two versions, it's still done very well). And while the climax of Part III can be interpreted as unnecessary (there's no longer any pressing time constraint, so they don't need to derail a train!) it's still a lot of fun.
I've been somewhat like Anchorhead over the past couple of years. I enjoy the GOUT. On principle, it's annoying, but actually watching it is still as amazing as ever. I have a high-def screen, and it doesn't look amazing, but it's definitely still watchable, and it's the only official release with the "Episode IV: A New Hope," and I love that it lacks that.
Then again, it's not perfect. Only the ESB GOUT doesn't pull me out. For Star Wars and ROTJ, I get pulled out in the subtitle sequences. Overly pixelated and outside of the frame (and, when watching it on zoom on my high-def monitor... outside of the screen!). Forget the dupe grain (well... don't forget it)... to me, this is the biggest problem with all the Star Wars DVDs! When Greedo confronts Han, I want it to feel like Greedo's lines are a part of the movie, not something my DVD kindly decided to add in as an afterthought. But again, that's a problem with all the Star Wars DVDs, not just the GOUT. Whoever decided that was a good idea needs to get his head out of his ass.
As for the garbage mattes, something does need to be done about them. I don't want them removed. As far as I've heard, they weren't originally visible in theatres (and I don't recall seeing them in the SE theatrical presentation), so a good restoration with a proper adjustment of black levels should (mostly, at least) take care of that problem.
Oh, and a good cleanup from proper elements would be nice, too. ^_^ That would be my ideal release.
C3PX said:Gaffer Tape said:I have wonderfully amusing mental images of the process in which an American brewery makes a bear at all, let alone one inspired by European beer.
Oops. Did I misspell it? I don't even know, I deleted that section of my post, having written it before reading the last few posts and realizing the precarious ledge this discussion was heading towards.
Aw, I'm a bit disappointed that you did edit that out of your post because I was looking forward to driving this thread into some hilarious discussion on genetically-manufactured beer bears. But, yeah, you did happen to misspell it in that one instance, so I thought I'd turn it into a joke.
But since you did edit your post, I'll just go ahead and thank you kindly for being my character witness. ^_^
DarkFather said:You're smart enough to concede any point that doesn't compromise your stance in any way. As in, you conceding that Avatar is anime in the sense that it's "animation", while knowing full well I was referring to it as a certain Japanese style of animation. And heck, if you can't see the striking similarities between the art of Dragonball Z and Cowboy Bebop, I can't make you.
Sigh, please stop acting like I'm attacking you. I really hope you're not mad at me. That's certainly not what I'm going for. I mean, yes, obviously there's only so much I can concede based on what you're giving me. I'm certainly somewhat drawn to my stance, and I have given a certain amount of evidence and reasoning to back it up. That's really all I can do until you provide me an outside source that credits a definition of "anime" as solely referring to a style of animation. I'm sorry. And I'm not trying to be condescending. If this debate is going to affect our forum friendship, I will gladly stop talking about it entirely. It's certainly not worth it because you're a great guy.
Heh, I was going to leave this alone, but I have to say I have wonderfully amusing mental images of the process in which an American brewery makes a bear at all, let alone one inspired by European beer.
Conceding the ways in which you would be right is being difficult? Huh. Never knew that. Well, thought I was having another fun debate with you. Obviously you don't see it that way. You know I have a high degree of comeraderie for you, so don't take a debate the wrong way. We're all friends here.
When did it become a faux-pas to like The Wrath of Khan? This is the first I've heard of this.
DarkFather said:You want to use Wikipedia as gospel, or do you want the truth? What is your response to my actual post?
But anime is certainly not a style, otherwise Dragon Ball and Cowboy Bebop would have similar aesthetics, and they don't in the least.Gaffer. What are you talking about.
Look at the noses of Faye and Edward. Look at their expressions.
Cowboy Bebop and Dragonball Z differ slightly in their styles, but they follow the same general style. I mean, it's not even matter of opinion.
I wasn't using Wikipedia as gospel. I was using it to support my statement. I quoted exactly one sentence from the article. And as far as I can see, there isn't an inaccuracy in the article. Meanwhile, this is the first time I've ever heard of anime as being referred to a particular style of animation, and you haven't presented any evidence to back up that claim.
And, really? Noses? We're going to argue animation styles based on noses? You've gotta give me something here. I conceded to you in at least a couple of different ways based on the different established definitions of the word anime. I'm pretty sure I responded directly to your post. Now it's your turn, DF. I will concede one more thing to you again. It's possible that DB and CB follow the same general style. Maybe you're seeing something I don't. But that's subjective, so, yes, it very much is a matter of opinion. You could be broader and say that all hand-drawn animation uses the same general style in order to craft people and scenery.
Don't know what else to say, really. That is what anime is. And based on those parameters, I've conceded how Avatar might (and one of those concessions was a stretch) be considered to fall under the definitions of anime, and it certainly does emulate some of the stylistic conventions common to Japanese animation, but since anime is defined in this country as the animated output originating from and intended for a specific country (Japan), Avatar does not fall into that category.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime
"Anime is animation originating in Japan." That's what it means. Well, unless, of course, you refer to the original Japanese definition, which is simply an abbreviation of the American word "animation." So it's either Japanese animation or any animation. If you're referring to Avatar as simply being "animation," then, yes, I will have to concede that. But anime is certainly not a style, otherwise Dragon Ball and Cowboy Bebop would have similar aesthetics, and they don't in the least.
I'll also concede the point that Avatar (and a lot of other American shows) are actually outsourced to mainland Asian countries, as is a lot of anime. So, technically, you can say that a lot of these shows are animated by the same companies, but, again, I doubt anyone would call The Real Ghostbusters an anime, even though a lot of it was animated in the same or near locations as Dragon Ball.
So, yeah, Avatar, being a Nickelodeon cartoon, is not anime. ^_^
DarkFather said:Gaffer Tape said:But... Avatar's not anime...
Star Trek isn't science fiction.
o_O
Yeah... I don't get the comparison...
But... Avatar's not anime...
Well... the whole Batman and Robin saga finally comes to a close after only two months!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hzf25n1lSI
Enjoy!
It actually did surprise me for a while in the prequels. I know I've said this here before, but for a while I thought that Palpatine and Sidious were two different people, and that Sidious was some kind of predecessor to Palpatine. Otherwise, it just seemed too obvious, and my brain was trying to infuse it with some creativity. ^_~
Oh, not this again, DF! ^_~
Wow, Jenny! Haven't seen you in forever! Stop hiding yourself already!
But I don't know. I'd rather Star Wars just finally be allowed to die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die! No more sequels, no more prequels, no more spinoffs. Just let it end already!
I don't know. At the same time, it's nice to have that hindsight, for the people involved to be able to talk about, not only the movie itself, but its impact, its reception, etc. Apparently a lot of modern movies do commentary before the movie is even released, so there's no telling whether or not it will even be successful. Not entirely necessary, I guess, but it's nice to have that kind of context as well, as in, "Well, this particular scene is a favorite of most..." or "The fans really decried this scene because..."
Heh, glad I could help!
Mm-mm, looks like a five-laner, huh? That'll sure help the Dynamic Duo race to crime scenes!
I think he saw at least TPM, but I could be wrong about that.
As for his statement, it could be referring to either the fact that he referred to the original version as 25% complete and wholly unsatisfied with it (it also being the SE with the most changes), or it could be the fact that nearly all of its plot elements have been retconned by the future films.
Well, whether it was real or not, you can't deny that it wasn't a marketing wet dream to not only be able to unveil these new-fangled Special Editions, but to claim they existed because of some messianistic effort to save the film stock from death.
And I will spend my entire life saying that the version that's out now is what I really intended and assemble an army of yes-men and fanboys to defend me on that, constantly dragging through the mud the fans of the original version.
(And, in all seriousness for anybody who's not paying much attention ie. everybody but me and C3PX, there's absolutely no content difference between the two aside from missing those random frames of shots that accidentally snuck by my keen eye due to frameskipping playback)
What about Forrest Gump?