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#114178
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Ep 3 topics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114178/action/topic#114178
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Like I said, it just seems like a continuity error to me, as I've used that exact same argument against the Force baby position. As you said, it just doesn't make sense that Leia would and Luke wouldn't. But I have read posts here that say that Leia has a Force connection to Padme while Luke has his connection with Vader. Eh... seems like a stretch, but it's a definitely a possibility. Of course, that's assuming I can choose to accept the Force baby theory anyway. ^_~
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#114174
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I have a bad feeling about this...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114174/action/topic#114174
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
The planet seen at the end of RotS where Baby Leia is taken is Alderaan, which the Death Star destroys in ANH.

Dantooine is on the other side of the Galaxy from Tatooine; it's a grassland planet where an ancient Jedi Enclave once served as a Rebel Base, but it was deserted for "Some time" before ANH.


That's what I thought he was talking about too, Chaltab, but he's referring to the location where Padme gives bith and dies.

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#114172
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I have a bad feeling about this...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114172/action/topic#114172
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Thanks, Simon, you're absolutely right about R2 saying that. I forgot. I still think it would make more sense if that was simply part of Leia's programming, but it does seem that Lucas at least tried to make that make sense. Seems a little bit forced in my opinion, but there are many more major things to complain about. I still find it hard to believe that R2 would have kept quiet about that for 20 years and think that both droids should have been wiped, but it makes a little more sense now in terms of story, but I don't see why they wouldn't. R2 can only communicate in beeps and whistles, but he can still communicate with other droids, and there are programs to decipher his speech, so if they were trying to get rid of information, they should have wiped R2 as well.

Hehe, thanks, great quote. I don't think it would have hurt, though, to simply say he used to know R2 and leave it at that. Once again, I think that could have been handled better. But I'm glad you're around to catch my mistakes. ^_~
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#114168
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Ep 3 topics
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114168/action/topic#114168
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I'd be more willing to accept the she's-a-Force-baby-and-can-somehow-have-newborn-infant-memories theory than the she's-just-remembering-her-adoptive-mother theory. There seem to be two sub theories in this theory. The first, which is the most insane, in my opinion, is "She never knew she was adopted." Now, let's say that's true for a second. Now pretend you're Leia, and you think the Organas are your birth-parents. Now, all of a sudden, Luke comes up to you and asks, "Do you remember your mother...your real mother?" Now, maybe it's just me, but if I was her, it would certainly cause me to turn my head if I had no idea I was adopted. But you, Shimraa, seem to be of the camp that believes that she simply got her memories confused, which, I admit, is a much more feasible theory. I just don't think so for two reasons. If she grew up with Mrs. Organa, I would think she would be able to differentiate between them. I know, it's a pretty weak argument, but it's all I have. The other reason, which makes much more sense is, that it's cinema. A story is being told. All things that happen in a story should happen for a reason. This scene is one of the pivotal scenes in Return of the Jedi. I might believe it today, but I really doubt Lucas would put such an emotional build on this segment only to have it be complete bull. It doesn't serve the story. I mean, this is Luke getting the first and only description he had ever heard of his mother. It completely ruins the mood of the scene if we believe, "Haha, Luke. You think that's your mother? Leia's just confused. You'll just carry those images Leia described to you for the rest of your life and never be the wiser." If this was real life, we could accept that, but since it is a movie, the only way someone would do something like that is if it were revealed at some later moment. So, in my mind, it's simply another prequel continuity error.

And, heh, I got so carried away that I almost forgot about this, about your theory of Padme living on, who is to say that she would have hidden on Alderaan? She didn't need to be on Alderaan for Bail to adopt her the way things play out in Sith. I fully agree that Yoda and Obi-Wan would have been in charge of where to place the kids when their mother died. And, regardless, Padme had no hand in the decision for Leia to join the Imperial Senate. Leia was much older at the point and was just becoming the successor for Bail Organa, and because she was trying to work some of her Rebel Alliance influence into the Senate. As for Vader finding out, the movies already answer that question. Vader never knew that Leia was his daugher until he plucked it from Luke's mind on Death Star II. There was no reason for him to even suspect that Leia was his daughter, so she was perfectly safe in Alderaan's royal family.
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#114153
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I have a bad feeling about this...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/114153/action/topic#114153
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First of all, welcome to the boards! It seems you have been stymied by OT>PT continuity errors. Don't worry. So is almost everyone else here. Let's see if I can answer some of these questions for you!

1. Actually, if I recall correctly, Padme was 14, and Anakin was 9, which would make them 24 and 19, respectively, in Attack of the Clones. I can't remember Ben's age, though. Luke and Leia were early 20s, again, I don't remember the exact age they were supposed to be. Sorry.

2. Yup, you are correct. Just chalk it up to Lucas not paying attention when he wrote Revenge of the Sith.

3. Actually, R2 never says he's searching for his former master. It is Luke who suggests this to Ben ("I think he's searching for his former master, but I've never seen such devotion in a droid before.") Due to Revenge of the Sith, we are supposed to believe that, since only 3PO received a mind wipe, that R2 does remember Obi-Wan, and that's the reason he's so eager to complete his mission. And I suppose we're also supposed to assume that Ben is just covering up, but I really don't buy it. It seems kind of weak to me. Your first guess was right. The droids were just put in there for fandom's sake, but it seems a heavy price to pay. They never really seemed to fit in, did they?

4. Yeah, I always pictured it that way, too, before the prequels, but I suppose I can accept this one without too much struggle. This is all part of Ben's attempt to cover up Luke's father's origins "from a certain point of view."

5. Once again, this is just for Luke's benefit. I can't remember who said it here, but it really amused me. It was something like, "What did you want him to tell Luke? 'I nearly killed him and then took his lightsaber from his dying body'?!" There are some people, however, who would consider this a continuity error. I think that's taking it a bit far.

After 5. 6, I suppose, since you had no 6. Yeah, I wish it had all fit too, as I am also a perfectionist. And there are many here who feel the same way, but there really is just no way to reconcile everything that was done in the PT to the OT. It's sad.

7. Hmm, you got me there. There are many people who have read the script/novel, who can answer that one for you.

8. Yes, the point was (although it came across quite unclear in the movie, unless you already knew what Yoda was talking about) Qui-Gon had become the first Jedi to learn how to become one with the Force (ie. become a Force ghost). In a deleted scene or a scene that wasn't shot (I can't remember which), Qui-Gon appears to Yoda and teaches him how to do it, and that's why he tells Obi-Wan to seek him out on Tatooine to also learn this ability. That's why Vader seems so surprised when he kills Obi-Wan because it's something that hasn't happened in recorded history.

Well, I hope this answers your questions, and I hope you have a good time on these boards!
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#111032
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Am I the only one left??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/111032/action/topic#111032
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Greencapt, I'm glad someone agrees with me about Lando's role. I've talked to so many people who dismiss him as a traitor, having lost his way and only realizing how stupid he was when everything went to pot. But I really think he was looking out for the greater good. Like you said, almost everyone else would have done the same thing. For one, if Vader comes to your city and tells you to do something, you do it. That city could have been destroyed so easily if he had resisted. He had a responsibility to the people he governed. And he was promised that, if he agreed, the Empire would be kept out forever. And he was originally promised that Han, Leia, and Chewie would be completely alright. They were just being captured to lure this Skywalker person in, and once Vader had gotten what he wanted, he would leave. His city would be alright, and his friends would be alright. Once he saw that he no longer had any control, everything was spiraling into chaos, and Vader was completely untrustworthy, he realized that he had no choice but to put an end to this. His continued complacency in the face of unjust acts was making things worse and worse.

Like you said, complex characters with human emotions!
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#110931
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Should Lucas replace Guiness with an aged McGregor?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110931/action/topic#110931
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Well, a lot of the Naboo stuff was filmed on location in Italy, so that's why it was so breathtaking. Mustafar reeked of CGI, though. I don't really remember Kashyyk, as I blanked out during that pointless Wookie battle, but I remember that Geonosis was a disaster. Kamino was pretty cool, though, but there really wasn't much planet-wise to duplicate there. Water.
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#110930
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"Hoooow is that possible..."
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110930/action/topic#110930
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I think that if Vader is really trying to hide something like his knowledge of his son from the Emperor, he wouldn't go blabbing about it to all his crew. It's true that they are pretty isolated on the Executor, and they probably answer more to Vader than the Emperor, but contact is obviously possible. Either Piet or one of the men under him had to have intercepted the Emperor's call. In such situations, it would be easy for someone to blab it to Palpatine.
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#110911
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Am I the only one left??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110911/action/topic#110911
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Here's a continuity error, but it's a simple one that happens in all films:
Luke goes out the window in the air shaft on Bespin and falls down towards the platform below, in which he has to grapple the side of the walkway to stay from plummeting to his death. Both hands, holding tight on the walkways. Where does his lightsaber go and how does he get it back in the next scene?


You know, I've always wondered about that. I always thought I saw it clipped to his belt, but last time I watched it, I didn't see it. Maybe it is, and we have to assume it's one of those Force things. If it isn't, maybe it landed somewhere off camera but still on the platform for Luke to retrieve it.

As for Lando, he had already decided to rebel once Vader gave his, "Pray I don't alter it any further" line. Notice how he looks at Lobot right then? The way I interpreted it was that he then sent Lobot to wherever it was that he was when Lando communicated with him via watch. He had been sent ahead to get those guard ready to overtake the storm troopers. So it was Lando finally getting fed up with being used that caused him to put his plan into motion. I'll say that it wasn't Luke's presence that caused Vader to be distracted but that he was supposed to come. I think even if Luke had been later in coming (it's simple movie convenience that Luke showed up just late enough for Han to be lost but just in time to see Leia and later be saved by her), Vader still would have waited for him. Even if Luke had never showed up at all, Vader would still be waiting for him. He had no way of knowing for sure (until he was told or was able to sense him) if Luke would show up or not. Just like Yoda couldn't see into the future completely accurately, I don't think Vader could either.
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#110910
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Am I the only one left??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110910/action/topic#110910
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
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Originally posted by: Gaffer TapeBut I don't see the point in saying that Lando wouldn't stand up to Vader if Luke didn't come. Luke had nothing to do with Lando's decision to step in. It was when things were going completely different than Vader had promised. Han was as good as dead, and Leia and Chewie were as well if Lando didn't step in. If anything, Luke's arrival hindered their escape because they had to go back for him.

Um, no. Lando cowered everytime Vader said anything to him. Lando only stood up to the Empire when Vader was distracted. If Vader had been walking with the Stormtroopers to the shuttle, I don't think Lando could have found enough courage, even if it was out of the bottom of a Colt .45.

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And something that I know for sure no one else has addressed in this thread... Luke was talking about the Imperial Academy when speaking of Biggs and Tank. They joined the Imperial Academy, and that's where Luke was aiming to go as well. But in that Biggs on Tatooine scene that was cut out of the movie, Biggs informs Luke that, the next chance he gets, he's going to defect to the Rebel Alliance. Who's to say that Tank does the same thing, though? As for Tanks's whereabouts when Luke is reunited with Biggs on Yavin? He could be an Imperial officer for all we know!


That's a good point, but you'd think Luke would bring him up when talking to Biggs about Tattoine. Oh well, just one of those things.

Here's a continuity error, but it's a simple one that happens in all films:
Luke goes out the window in the air shaft on Bespin and falls down towards the platform below, in which he has to grapple the side of the walkway to stay from plummeting to his death. Both hands, holding tight on the walkways. Where does his lightsaber go and how does he get it back in the next scene?


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#110901
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AFI Honors Lucas
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110901/action/topic#110901
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I think Lucas does deserve a lifetime achievement award. I think he's a hack director and not very talented at writing dialogue, but he has introduced many innovations into the world of cinema... especially in films he had no direct connection with. Industrial Light and Magic has some influence in almost every movie nowadays. While Lucas may be like a kid in a candy shop with CGI, other directors do know how to use it effectively, and they have Lucas to thank for pioneering it. While he may not have developed things personally, he did set the wheels in motion for innovation that other people have been able to run with.

Now, is that better? I think that's something of a constructive argument, complaining what I don't like about him while not letting that detract from what he is worthy for. And no LucASS anywhere either. ^_^
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#110898
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Idea & Info: Prequel Trilogy Preservation???
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110898/action/topic#110898
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Hello. I’ve been reading these boards for over half a year now and just decided to join. I’ve been reading a lot of posts lately about Revenge of the Sith. And a lot of them seem very much for editing the DVD release of this movie to re-insert scenes like Yoda landing on Dagobah or the scene between Qui-Gon and Yoda.

Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t this site dedicated to “the preservation of classic sci-fi?” Aren’t we here at least partly out of protest for George Lucas screwing around with the original Star Wars trilogy by adding scenes and updating special effects? Why then, if we are so concerned about the “classic” trilogy, why do we encourage the very same thing from the “modern” trilogy? As it stands, Lucas has made edits to both of his other prequels for their DVD releases. Unless I’m mistaken, the theatrical version of Attack of the Clones no longer exists.

I am by no means a prequel fan and whole-heartedly agree that they could use some serious work from the ground-up! But isn’t it rather hypocritical of us to tell George to leave some of his movies alone but to alter others? Are we really interested in preserving movies, or are we just interested in preserving Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi and letting all other movies be poked and prodded at while we turn a blind eye?

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#110897
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Am I the only one left??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/110897/action/topic#110897
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Whoo. What a thread. I've been reading these boards since September, but this one finally convinced me to join in on all the fun.

I agree with what Darth Simon said about... well, pretty much everything. He just got to it before I did. Yoda apparently knows that he has two options, but Luke apparently has more potential as a Jedi than Leia, so he'd prefer to train him. Why would you go with your "backup" plan when your number one is right in front of you? So if Luke stayed to complete his training, Yoda would be able to train him to be powerful enough to defeat the Empire and wouldn't need Leia. He tells Ben there is another, because if Luke gets killed while trying to rescue Leia, then he can train Leia. How he knows that Leia will be survive if Luke doesn't, well... okay, you have a point there. I always have been disappointed with the way the "another" was touted as this big thing yet it never really comes to anything. With the way it was talked about, you would expect this "other" to come to Luke's aid at the big showdown in ROTJ and save the day.

But I don't see the point in saying that Lando wouldn't stand up to Vader if Luke didn't come. Luke had nothing to do with Lando's decision to step in. It was when things were going completely different than Vader had promised. Han was as good as dead, and Leia and Chewie were as well if Lando didn't step in. If anything, Luke's arrival hindered their escape because they had to go back for him.

And something that I know for sure no one else has addressed in this thread... Luke was talking about the Imperial Academy when speaking of Biggs and Tank. They joined the Imperial Academy, and that's where Luke was aiming to go as well. But in that Biggs on Tatooine scene that was cut out of the movie, Biggs informs Luke that, the next chance he gets, he's going to defect to the Rebel Alliance. Who's to say that Tank does the same thing, though? As for Tanks's whereabouts when Luke is reunited with Biggs on Yavin? He could be an Imperial officer for all we know!