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#154278
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Changes you want (or don't want) to the 2007 archival editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154278/action/topic#154278
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Originally posted by: HotRod
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Cloning a clone is the scientific equivalent of inbreeding.

Pretty soon you'd have a cross-eyed, knock-kneed, buck toothed genetic abomination. Hence, the Stormtroopers.

Sorry to the cross-eyed, knock-kneed, buck toothed genetic abominations here. While I'm at it, sorry to the inbreds here, as well. You are a little freaky but I still love you.


Fucking hilarious man!


Ha! That was hilarious! You have a great point. I wish I'd thought of that! Love to see AWK try to refute that.
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#154192
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154192/action/topic#154192
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I have no problem with Donald Trump himself. I simply hate his show and all reality shows for that matter. Mindless garbage...

So I hate reality shows.


quality of 90's 2000's reality shows = quality of the 70's variety shows

(The holiday special, however, was more than a variety show. )


What?! Variety shows kick ass! They need to start making more of those again! That would definitely bring me back to network TV. Spending an hour watching a happy mix of skits, singing, and dancing is much preferable to spending an hour listening to some angst-filled nobody from Podunk, USA talk about how angry he is at the gay guy for becoming friends with his girlfriend who recently convinced her to change her hair color.
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#154104
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Changes you want (or don't want) to the 2007 archival editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154104/action/topic#154104
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
How about Lucas moves on and makes other films?


Amen!

And changing the stormtroopers' voices? Yeah, it's just stupid. It's been an entire generation since the Clone Wars, anyway! I'd be surprised if any of those clones were still in service by that time! At least as ground troops, anyway... We've seen in Revenge of the Sith that even the clones can get promoted through the ranks of the military, so if any are still active, they'd probably have more tactical positions rather than doing the footwork. They'd need younger men for that.

In the words of some useless character whose name escapes me: "I'm getting too old for this sort of thing."


You can't forget, though, that Vader is close with Boba, and has the option of cloning him to keep the clones like Jango.


I'd hardly call them close. They've worked together a few times, that's it. And he's about the only one who can mouth off to Vader without getting choked into submission. Boba Fett doesn't really have any affiliation, and I'm sure he'd charge the Empire a pretty penny to let himself be cloned. And since the Empire already has a large standing army, there's really no need for them to go to the trouble of cloning anymore.
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#154054
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Return of the Jedi + Revenge of the Sith = one amazing movie!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154054/action/topic#154054
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If he thinks she's dead, then why would he sense her? He had two children wandering around for 20 years he didn't know about, but only when he knew about any of them was he able to sense them and even then, it seemed to be limited to a close proximity. I find it perfectly reasonable that he might never find her, especially if there's not much of a time frame before she dies.
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#154025
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Return of the Jedi + Revenge of the Sith = one amazing movie!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154025/action/topic#154025
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Originally posted by: Number20
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
How about the biggest plot hole of them all. Why does Leia remember Padme in ROTJ, but Luke doesn't?


Sadly, Lucas painted himself into a corner on this one. If he had Padme take Leia away, perserving the "she died when I was very young" it would of made everyone even more mad. Everyone would be asking "What ever happened to Padme? Why is she dead?" So you had to have her die, to provide closure on the character, and to explain why Vader isn't still looking for her.

As for how to view it, having the prequels cut into the original trilogy is the only was I can think of to do it and have it perserve the secrets. The "Godfather II" method would do this. But since I've seen it, I would guess the best way would be I-VI. For a new person, I would recommend release order. IV-VI, I-III.


I don't think so. I think it would have made perfect sense. Again, not everything has to be spelled out. It would actually amount to a heartwrenching sequence where Obi-Wan and Yoda make it known to her that she has to give up one of her children in order to keep them safe. And then have Bail offer to hide Padme and Leia on Alderaan. We don't actually have to see her die, as we're already told in Return of the Jedi that she died when Leia was very young. And then, as we did before Sith came out, our little minds can fill in the gaps.

Oh, and you can still have the Emperor tell Vader that Vader killed Padme since he was supposed to be lying in the first place. Problem solved.
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#154022
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Changes you want (or don't want) to the 2007 archival editions
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154022/action/topic#154022
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
How about Lucas moves on and makes other films?


Amen!

And changing the stormtroopers' voices? Yeah, it's just stupid. It's been an entire generation since the Clone Wars, anyway! I'd be surprised if any of those clones were still in service by that time! At least as ground troops, anyway... We've seen in Revenge of the Sith that even the clones can get promoted through the ranks of the military, so if any are still active, they'd probably have more tactical positions rather than doing the footwork. They'd need younger men for that.

In the words of some useless character whose name escapes me: "I'm getting too old for this sort of thing."
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#153883
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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153883/action/topic#153883
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I too always thought that it was just too obvious that Palpatine and Sidious were the same purpose. I knew that Senator Palpatine would become Emperor Palpatine from day (er, episode) one. I just did my best to resist the idea that he was Sidious. I always thought that maybe the two would cross paths at some point, and Sidious would help Palpatine take over or something. Or maybe I'm just making that up now. I can't remember. It's been too long.
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#153523
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ROTS Extras: CGI TPM Yoda
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153523/action/topic#153523
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I just watched my ROTS DVD last night, and I really don't see what's so great about the CG Yoda. Being able to see it so up close, I notice that he pretty much uses the same hand gesture every time he says a line, and the number of times he does his sad face and ear drooping combo is too numerous to mention. Plus, his dialogue is atrocious, but you can't really blame the animators for that.
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#153467
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Prequel total rewrites...?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153467/action/topic#153467
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I really don't like to agree with the theory that the cyborg-enhanced Darth Vader was a poor Force user. It just doesn't make any sense to me. First, it confirms the joke that people have been passing around that since the Force is now explained to be a scientific lifeform tied to one's cells, that if one had less body, they have less Force. And that's just stupid. Plus, the first time I heard it was when George was trying to dance around why the lightsaber fight in the first movie was not as intense as those in the other movies. "One's an old man, and the other's mostly machine, not man." Well, then why was he able to kick so much ass in the sequels?

And most importantly, why would the Emperor go to the trouble of keeping him if he now sucked? He never seemed to give a crap about his other apprentices. He told General *groan* Grievous that his new apprentice (Anakin) would be younger and stronger. Well, if his accident caused him to lose that much power (which I really doubt it did), why would Palpatine travel all the way to Mustafar and rebuild him and then keep him around for a generation? I'm sure he could have found someone else he could have trained in the Sith Arts if Darth Vader was now that bad.

But that's simply because he's not so bad. The Force is a spiritual thing, and no amount of lost limbs should detract from using that ability.
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#153275
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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153275/action/topic#153275
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Wow, see what being away for 12 hours does to a guy? I've missed so much, and there are so many things I want to quote. But that would take too much time, so I'll just interject briefly.

AWK, I'm only a few years older than you, and I was only introduced to Star Wars in any form a few years before you were. I find it hard to believe that there should be that big of a Star Wars generational gap between. But sadly, I am forced to admit that it's true because everything got turned upside down between those four years.

But I do like the prequels. The Star Wars geek in me has to have them and has enjoyed watching them. I'm so pissed that I don't have ROTS yet because I'm a poor college student and can't afford it (been tempting, though). I simply don't feel they tell a story as well as the OT does, and it annoys me when their status is elevated to that of the OT, in terms of story. I'll never feel that the prequels are more than backstory. Of course they add depth to the story. That's what backstory's supposed to do, hence the term "back" or "behind". The problem is, as much depth as it adds, the more continuity holes and stupid moments they add as well. I just have to grin and bear it.

And I'm (or was) a fan of the EU. I just read EU before the prequels, so the EU solidifies even more strongly that Luke, Han, and Leia are the stars of the Star Wars. Don't see any Vader around there.

Well, anyway, that's all. Gotta go.
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#153083
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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153083/action/topic#153083
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Well, I'll have to word this carefully, since I want to avoid my usual argument of "they shouldn't be viewed as one whole story!" thing. But since you posted your view of Star Wars, I simply feel compelled to post mine, that's all, and it's simply impossible to present my view without first stating that I don't believe that all six should be viewed as one single entity. Simply put, for me, Star Wars is about the war between the Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire. On a more character-based level, it is the journey of Luke Skywalker to make something of his life, grow, and become responsible for destroying the key players in the Empire and reviving the Jedi ideals to the universe ("Not the last of old, but the first of the new."). And when I look simply at the movies, the original trilogy, or all six, trying to wrap my mind around it being the redemption of Anakin Skywalker leaves a bad taste in my mouth. When you get right down to it, only one movie has anything at all to do with the redemption of Anakin Skywalker, and that's Return of the Jedi. None of the prequels touch on this because, at that point, he has nothing to be redeemed from. And in the original trilogy, you don't even know Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker until the end of Empire. And no other character makes any attempts or has any aspirations to redeem him at that point, nor does he appear to want to himself. Only in Return of the Jedi does Luke come up with the notion of "redeeming" his father.

So, even if you do take all six films as one, complete story, Lucas's "It's the redemption of Anakin Skywalker" story doesn't hold water. That's like summarizing the first Star Wars movie by simply saying, "Star Wars is about blowing up the Death Star." The redemption of Anakin Skywalker is the conclusion of the story, not the story itself.
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#153076
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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153076/action/topic#153076
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I'm definitely not saying the prequels shouldn't be focused on Anakin. I think that's right, and the way it should have always been. It's the story of Darth Vader. That's why they exist. But it's jumping into forbidden territory when it tries to claim the original movies too. It simply makes no sense to say that Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi feature Darth Vader as the story's protagonist. If that was the case, they come nowhere near accomplishing their goal. It's obvious they weren't meant to feature him as the main character, from the fact that he's not as prominently featured as Luke/Han/Leia/etc. to his placement in the end credits*.

*Coincidentally, I've always felt that the actor who played Anakin should have received top billing in all three prequels...