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#1317201
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V2 RELEASED!)
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stevepaynter said:

If the ending of the broom boy scene is removed does this now mean the scene of Finn and Rose in Canto Bight where we see broom boy being whipped is now obsolete?

This was only added in poppa V2 edit to give more context to broom boy. If the broom boy is removed at the end at the movie then the scene is pointless. The scene does give a bit more background on Rose backstory so maybe broom boy could be removed it possible.

Why not move it to the end of The Rise of Skywalker, where… (massive spoilers ahead!!!)

… we see the montage of First Order Star Destroyers being destroyed across the galaxy? Simple, just insert a destroyed Star Destroyer into the shot of the boy looking at the night sky.

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#1317125
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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I have an idea for an upcoming edit of The Last Jedi. The final paragraph in the opening crawl mentions that Snoke has sent Kylo to obtain a wayfinder that will lead him to “a dark presence” that he must destroy as part of his training mentioned at the end of The Force Awakens.

We open with Kylo raiding Mustafar and obtaining the wayfinder before heading to Exegol, where he meets Darth Sidious and learns that Snoke was his creation (Kylo doesn’t mention that he killed Snoke, since he isn’t dead yet). We don’t get the shot of the Star Destroyers rising from the ground or the part where Sidious orders Kylo to kill Rey. After Sidious tells Kylo that Rey is not who he expects, we immediately cut to the opening Resistance evacuation scene on the ground.

We don’t get the first throne room scene with Kylo and Snoke, since it will be confusing if you have the scene with Kylo and Sidious play in the beginning while having Snoke berate Kylo for his failure to get Rey. Since we don’t get the first throne room scene with Snoke and Kylo, we remove the “Where’s Han?” scene (since it will be jarring if we cut from “Where’s Han?” to Rey explaining to Luke about the current situation) and it is now replaced with the deleted scene of Luke mourning Han before we cut to Leia in hyperspace.

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#1316541
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (SPOILERS)
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darkshadowspike said:

I HATE, (HATE!) rey being a palpatine, but is an important part of the canon now ( the same as lightspeed skipping) and it will be referenced from here on out in other star wars media, so i will prefer for them to stay.

To be fair Hal 9000 has Padmé survive in his edit for Revenge of the Sith and yet it contradicts canon

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#1316267
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What is your personal canon?
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Here is my personal Star Wars canon:

  • Knights of the Old Republic games
  • My rewrites of Episodes I, II, and III
  • Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order
  • Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
  • A New Hope: Revisited (but without the part where Obi-Wan refers to a lightsaber as “the weapon of a Jedi knight”)
  • The Empire Strikes Back: Revisited
  • Return of the Jedi: Revisited (but without the part where the Emperor refers to a lightsaber as “a Jedi’s weapon”)
  • My rewrites of Episodes VII, VIII, and IX

(Haven’t seen The Mandalorian yet)

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#1316176
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Darth Lucas said:

Octorox said:

Darth Lucas said:

Add other force ghosts to the Luke/Leia shot like Anakin and Obi Wan.

With the exception of Ben, I don’t really get this suggestion. Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan have no meaning or significance to Rey. They did to Luke, but we already got that scene at the end of Return of the Jedi.

What I think a lot of fans don’t want to accept (and to be honest, I don’t think Abrams and Terrio wanted to accept this either) is that the OT characters are not the main characters of these new movies. The protagonists are the new characters: Rey, Ben, Finn, Poe, and Rose. Any OT or PT characters should be there to support their character development, not to steal the spotlight.

Obi Wan has significance to Rey. Anakin has significance to Ben Solo, who would be there in this version. The thought of ending the “Skywalker Saga” without at least Anakin having some importance seems off to me.

Exactly. Everything, and I mean everything, hinges around this character and how he affected the entire galaxy.

“You must unlearn what you have learned.” It wasn’t the story of Anakin until the prequels reframed the saga. The ST has simply reframed the saga again.

I’m referring to the events within this saga, not the franchise itself.

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#1316164
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Darth Lucas said:

Octorox said:

Darth Lucas said:

Add other force ghosts to the Luke/Leia shot like Anakin and Obi Wan.

With the exception of Ben, I don’t really get this suggestion. Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan have no meaning or significance to Rey. They did to Luke, but we already got that scene at the end of Return of the Jedi.

What I think a lot of fans don’t want to accept (and to be honest, I don’t think Abrams and Terrio wanted to accept this either) is that the OT characters are not the main characters of these new movies. The protagonists are the new characters: Rey, Ben, Finn, Poe, and Rose. Any OT or PT characters should be there to support their character development, not to steal the spotlight.

Obi Wan has significance to Rey. Anakin has significance to Ben Solo, who would be there in this version. The thought of ending the “Skywalker Saga” without at least Anakin having some importance seems off to me.

Exactly. Everything, and I mean everything, hinges around this character and how he affected the entire galaxy.

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#1316094
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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Octorox said:

Darth Lucas said:

Add other force ghosts to the Luke/Leia shot like Anakin and Obi Wan.

With the exception of Ben, I don’t really get this suggestion. Anakin, Yoda and Obi-Wan have no meaning or significance to Rey. They did to Luke, but we already got that scene at the end of Return of the Jedi.

What I think a lot of fans don’t want to accept (and to be honest, I don’t think Abrams and Terrio wanted to accept this either) is that the OT characters are not the main characters of these new movies. The protagonists are the new characters: Rey, Ben, Finn, Poe, and Rose. Any OT or PT characters should be there to support their character development, not to steal the spotlight.

But it’s the very last installment in this franchise, and the last time we got to actually see Anakin and/or Obi-Wan was in Return of the Jedi. Are you sure we should not get to see Anakin, Obi-Wan or Yoda in the very last scene of this entire franchise?

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#1316029
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Star Wars: Remastered - A New Special Edition
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Petrovelly said:

Merry Christmas! As you guys know, I’ve been working on the original Tatooine matte painting for a while. Here you can watch the results of my work! Also - I decided to keep the original timing, so Tantive IV will no longer fly with a camera movement 😃

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP5NAHPJDeo&feature=youtu.be

(edit) It may not look that good because of the YouTube compression.

@Petrovelly Do you plan on updating the alternate angle shot of the Star Destroyer chasing down the Tantive IV that takes place after the first one?

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#1315760
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Do you think Rey’s yellow lightsaber should be removed altogether from the final scene in this franchise? She has truly brought balance to the Force, Darth Sidious and his followers have been destroyed once and for all, the Skywalker bloodline is now extinct (no, Rey doesn’t count as a biological Skywalker), and tyranny has come to an end, so the Jedi have already served their purpose and now no longer have a reason to exist.

I think this is a fair question. If this is suppose to be an ultimate victory, then maybe. If you’re stressing that fascism and tyranny can rise when you least expect it and do-gooders have to remain vigilant, then maybe not.

For me, I hate the idea of an ‘ultimate victory.’ I’d like to hope there’s a deleted scene or something that stresses it isn’t that, otherwise I’m still not sure what to do to convey that idea. I saw a clip with JJ before the movie came out where he said something like the fight against the dark side is a constant struggle, so I was really disappointed with how the film concluded. But the fact that he feels that way does give me some semblance of hope that there’ll be something along those lines in deleted material.

Regarding Ben and Rey’s kiss, I think some people didn’t like it because they felt it wasn’t set up. While I think it was (“I offered you my hand once”), I don’t think it was set up as explicitly as Han/Leia or Anakin/Padmé. Both pairs talk about their feelings explicitly, whereas the Ben/Rey romance could be written off as a special connection. According to leaks, in the deleted scene of Kylo Ren’s confrontation with the Oracle, the Oracle would’ve mentioned his feelings for Rey. Maybe Kylo could be given new dialogue that makes those feelings clearer. I’ll have to go through Driver’s filmography and see what kind of dialogue we have to work with.

I’m of the opinion that the romance was obvious, but they definitely wanted it to be a lingering question until the big kiss. I’d definitely prefer an establishment of the fact earlier, if there is a deleted scene that does that like you say.

You just don’t like it when characters live happily ever after.

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#1315711
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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Do you think Rey’s yellow lightsaber should be removed altogether from the final scene in this franchise? She has truly brought balance to the Force, Darth Sidious and his followers have been destroyed once and for all, the Skywalker bloodline is now extinct (no, Rey doesn’t count as a biological Skywalker), and tyranny has come to an end, so the Jedi have already served their purpose and now no longer have a reason to exist.

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#1315629
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (SPOILERS)
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DominicCobb said:

Hal 9000 said:

DominicCobb said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

@Hal 9000 Can you remove the voice-overs of Mace Windu and Aayla Secura speaking when Rey fights Darth Sidious? It contradicts previously established lore in the pre-sequel trilogy canon, in which only Obi-Wan, Yoda, Qui-Gon, and Anakin knew how to become Force ghosts.

Here’s a question, how did Anakin know how to become a Force ghost anyway?

Well, this is obviously only a question once the prequels are factored in, as in 1983 one assumed that’s just what Jedi all do. I think the best answer would be that Obi-Wan and Yoda helped him.

Right. If we only consider the OT, then there’s no problem hearing voices of Jedi like Mace Windu. But if we do consider the PT, we are forced to assume that Anakin learned after death how to become a force ghost. Which means someone like Windu could too.

When you die in Star Wars without learning how to become a Force ghost, you irreversably cease to exist. As Hal pointed out, Obi-Wan and Yoda might’ve helped Anakin, except (from what I view) maybe before his death.

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#1315612
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (SPOILERS)
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Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, I don’t know though. If a thousand generations live in her and she’s trying to commune with past Jedi, I guess it’d have to be more than like four guys.

I’m not sure what the canon explanation will end up being, though.

I suppose one of Anakin’s lines could be trimmed thus: “Restore the balance, Rey (, as I once did).”

Given how the sequel trilogy planned out, the only natural interpretation would seem to be that Rey ended up as the chosen one. Given TLJ especially, the prophecy thing is a bit misguided, though its nonfundamentalistic essence can be valid in the sense that anyone could be. One could argue that Anakin failed, though did come to redemption. Luke did likewise in a way. Then, the Force awakened in Rey who went on to embody all the Jedi and decisively destroy the Sith. How could it be otherwise, in hindsight? That’s how religious prophecies tend to go IMHO: they are people groups grappling with their realities, and the details are best taken somewhat loosely.

So, Anakin beckoning her to restore the balance can lend some credence to that. Sort of like how Qui-Gon in LOE encouraging Yoda to “complete what [he] could not” implies that the chosen one remains as potential for the future (Luke, supposedly at that point).

cough There’s voice-over of Ahsoka Tano and she likely died after the originals and before the events of The Rise of Skywalker and that’s more than four… cough

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#1315571
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Cthulhunicron said:

I need to rewatch this one, but I’m beginning to feel this is the best of the sequel trilogy. I have issues with the film, but I don’t hate it.

To me, I feel like I have the same opinion. The Force Awakens destroyed every single accomplishment in Return of the Jedi, copied the original 1977 movie, and undid Han Solo’s character growth. The Rise of Skywalker not only destroys the meaning of Anakin’s redemption and sacrifice, but also undermines this entire franchise.

The Last Jedi is awful, yes, but at least it tried to continue the story that was told in The Force Awakens, albeit badly. Thus, I consider The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker to be worse movies than The Last Jedi.

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#1315510
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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Do you think if it is a good idea if you have the opening scene in The Rise of Skywalker where Kylo gets the wayfinder and meets Darth Sidious play in The Last Jedi before we cut to the shot of the Resistance evacuating from D’Qar and the “oh no” scene?