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#1320760
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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OutboundFlight said:

I don’t take issue with TROS’s force healing. It understands the Jedi from the OT far more than the PT. They are warriors, yes, but they fight with the intent of peace. Luke only became a true Jedi on the Death Star: Jabba’s Sail Barge was a dark side action.

Force healing is easy to comprehend. An injured character can be healed without the death of the healer, although it drains a lot of their energy, and can’t be done in the middle of a battleground. For fatal wounds, the healer must sacrifice themself.

In TROS, Leia transfers her life-force into Ben, which allows Rey to heal a fatal wound in Ben without her dying. It is Leia who dies in this scene. But on Exogel, there isn’t anyone to help, so Ben makes the ultimate sacrifice to Rey. It’s very poetic and definitely an act of the light side, eliminating wounds and saving the lives of others (NOT yourself).

If we must prove why this works within the larger context of Star Wars…
–Obi-Wan was a young knight who promised his master to train Anakin. He would not sacrifice himself for his master, nor would Qui-Gon have wanted him to.
–Yoda and Obi-Wan were the sole survivors of Order 66, but also some of the strongest Jedi and the most aware of the situation. It would not do to sacrifice themselves and leave a new Jedi left confused and wondering what’s up, only to be shot down.
–Luke was Anakin’s son, so Anakin would not have allowed him to sacrifice himself. Luke had much more to live for.

Force healing still undermines the concept of death and kills any tension in future Star Wars movies.

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#1319710
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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EddieDean said:

I was thinking about radical reordering to the trilogy, and toying with the idea of having Palpatine’s return be a ‘sidequest’ of Snoke’s as part of Kylo’s training. Sort of ‘I’ve detected a rival Sith, go deal with them for me’. That way you could keep some of Palpatine without it being an unsatisfying attempt to put a capper on the Skywalker saga, and keep it framed as part of this new, different story. Does anyone have any thoughts about that?

That got me on to thinking about any other kind of radical restructures we might have available to us. And fundamentally, any such option needs to first ask the question: What arcs are sufficient to build a trilogy (or duology or whatever) around? And the problem with the sequel trilogy is, nearly nobody has a satisfying arc. To my mind you have:

REY:
A nobody gets dragged into a destiny, shows force proficiency, becomes Luke Skywalker’s hope for the future of the Jedi, develops a relationship with the conflicted Kylo Ren (who exploits her nothingness to gain her power), grows in power, tracks down and kills a half-reborn Palpatine (who she learns she was related to all along), nearly dies but is saved by Kylo, declares herself Skywalker. It’s our second-strongest arc but Palpatine comes out of nowhere and other than the revelation that she’s related to him, her defeat of him doesn’t contribute to her growth.

KYLO REN:
The legacy of Vader wishes to emulate him, gains power under Snoke, is conflicted by his killing of his father, develops a relationship with the suprisingly powerful Rey, kills Snoke to gain more power, is conflicted by his meeting fails to convince Rey to join him for evil, is conflicted by his relationship with Luke Skywalker, finds and submits to Palpatine, then turns to the light, gets nearly killed by Palpatine, then dies to kill an injured Rey.
It’s our strongest arc but Palpatine comes out of nowhere, and isn’t relevant to his character arc.

Taking the above two alone, the strongest story between them is that they meet each other, develop this awkward relationship, turn on Snoke (for different reasons), attempt to convince each other of their philosophies, then Kylo turns to the light, and they defeat Palpatine. But again, that Palpatine ending just isn’t satisfying. I feel like the Palpatine and Snoke kills should be punctual steps on their journey together, but which utimately end with them in conflict with one another. I’m trying to think of moments which could be used as the punctual final point of their story. There’s the moment when they fight and Rey appears to kill Kylo (before healing him). But that’s about where I can’t take the thought any further.

That’s the same idea that I’ve had: move the opening scene in The Rise of Skywalker to the very beginning of The Last Jedi, and have the whole “getting the wayfinder and finding Darth Sidious” thing be a part of Kylo’s training. We don’t get the bit where Sidious tells Kylo to kill Rey (since that is contradicted by him later revealing that he wants her alive) or the shot of the Star Destroyers rising from the ground.

After Sidious tells Kylo that “Rey is not who you expect”, we immediately cut to the opening Resistance evacuation scene where Billie Lourd says “Oh no” as a First Order fleet arrives above the atmosphere of D’Qar (no awkward shot of the camera zooming into the planet, since it’s jarring if we cut from the Kylo and Sidious scene to the shot of the camera zooming into the planet). Also remove the entire first throne room scene with Snoke and Kylo, since it would be confusing if we have Kylo meet Sidious before returning to get criticized and mocked by Snoke since he is continuing his training.

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#1319420
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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Anakin Starkiller said:

As someone who’s removing Leia being Luke’s sister from the saga, I think it might make sense to replace her death through Force projection with a death via the bridge of the Raddus exploding. It would eliminate both instances of her using the Force in one fell swoop. Then again, maybe there’s nothing wrong with her being Force sensitive. I definitely don’t want her being a Jedi, though, so that flashback has to go.

The Resistance wasted resources and sacrificed lives just to have Luke show up and help distract the First Order while they escape and nobody, not even Poe Dameron or Billie Lourd, ever even thought about using Leia as a Force-sensitive person to, say, crumble the Supremacy into a tinfoil ball since Force-sensitive people like the kid who Force-pulled that broom automatically know how to use Force-powers like telekinesis, and you think there’s nothing wrong with Leia being Force-sensitive?

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#1319328
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread - * <strong>TROS SPOILERS WITHIN</strong> *
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Anakin Starkiller said:

Here’s an idea: Pasaana is Geonosis. It would tie the saga together more.

And for the love of the Force, give some of the aliens different skin tones then the same tone of fleshy orange they all seem to have some variant of. Give me purples, yellows, and greens!

Nah, that would make the galaxy feel smaller.

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#1319180
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THE RISE OF SKYWALKER (Epic Cut) - <strong>SPOILERS</strong>
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krausfadr said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Same with Billie Lourd.

Billie should stay because to me she’s royalty (and provides continuity). Klaud isn’t so funny since he’s really a repackaged Porg. I was fine with the Porg’s in poppasketti’s version of TLJ (the best version of TLJ imo). But Klaud is too distracting much like the monkey elf who welds things…

I was just pointing out a counter argument. But yeah, Billie Lourd’s character can stay.¯_(ツ)_/¯

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#1318338
Topic
The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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TheAlaskanSandman said:

For those curious i plan on replacing most of the planets. This is a test run at some of the vfx, starfield, etc. Still working on all the maps and bumpmaps needed for all the planets. Its done in 4k though so it has a lot of detail at closer zooms.

Eventually i would like to create a couple blocks or miles of city for both Theed and Coruscant. This way ill be able to eventually create the ships and such and be able to create new shots of dog fighting through the city and over. I would like to have ships weave around buildings, so this is the only way to go. I would also like to improve the chase in ATOC. Let me know any thoughts. I think i need to ease the grain up and fix the starfield some along with the glow around the planet, if there is anything else lmk and hope you enjoy 😃

What do you mean by “easing the grain up”? Adding more grain?

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#1318153
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (SPOILERS)
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darksteel1335 said:

I have a few suggestions, sorry if others have already mentioned them.

  • Reduce Lando’s excessive laugh at the final battle
  • Remove Finn’s line “You did it Lando! You did it!”
  • Change super happy music when the thousands of ships arrive. It should be more inspirational and maybe triumphant. (not sure if that’s the word I am after)
  • Remove Chewie getting the medal (this was only inserted as fan service, Chewie would probably have forgotten about this and they could easily add him getting a medal in A New Hope like Adywan did).
  • Reduce the clip of Palpatine burning from the deflected force lightning (doesn’t suit a SW movie IMO)
  • consider adding “Across the Stars” to when Kylo and Rey kiss
  • slow down ben falling back after the kiss so it looks like Rey is helping him

I have so many but I’m thinking of doing an edit of this one day myself. Can’t give you all of my secrets. 😛

*disintegrating

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#1318059
Topic
The Last Jedi- Full Movie Re-Edit
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grobnobthetroll said:

pleasehello said:

He says he’s going to hire someone to do a Mark Hamill impersonation. It should be, uh…interesting.

The person in question has now refused to work with Ivan.
This is quite a regular occurrence with Ivan.
He doesn’t seem to get anything finished aside from small touches to single scenes and he dedicates more time to asking for help and funding than he does actually producing any finished work. He’s more interested in promoting himself as an editor than he is in editing.

Proof?

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#1317998
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (SPOILERS)
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Hal 9000 said:

OK, so you are suggesting altering the entire frame rather than just Han himself?

It seems like, the presence of Han aside, he really is in that place. A fly on the wall would still see Ben saying those things and making those motions.

Regardless, I don’t imagine such a thing being an improvement. I like it the way it is without some sort of effect applied.

jarbear said:

If you were to go that route, you could do something like Neverar did and have some kind of filter on the scene to have a “dream-like” feel to it. It does not have to be super strong, something subtle could be done maybe?

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#1317979
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (SPOILERS)
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Hal 9000 said:

I don’t have a problem with it at all. Force ghosts look bluish, glowy, and translucent. Han looks like how Ben remembers him. The scene plays out without some sort of distracting visual cue. I don’t know what one could even do that wouldn’t be inferred by some that he is a literal ghost.

I’m not saying Han should look like a ghost; I’m referring to the shots being edited so it could look like Kylo is having a hallucination rather than actually seeing Han in person.

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#1317486
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Cthulhunicron said:

Wanderer_ said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Cthulhunicron said:

I need to rewatch this one, but I’m beginning to feel this is the best of the sequel trilogy. I have issues with the film, but I don’t hate it.

To me, I feel like I have the same opinion. The Force Awakens destroyed every single accomplishment in Return of the Jedi, copied the original 1977 movie, and undid Han Solo’s character growth. The Rise of Skywalker not only destroys the meaning of Anakin’s redemption and sacrifice, but also undermines this entire franchise.

The Last Jedi is awful, yes, but at least it tried to continue the story that was told in The Force Awakens, albeit badly. Thus, I consider The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker to be worse movies than The Last Jedi.

TLJ destroys Luke. So i guess they all work together against the OT characters. And for the record I never felt TFA destroyed Hans Solo, he was pretty much the Hans we knew and loved from the originals. He was a scoundrel, not really boyfriend material… And neither was Leia.

I’ve never understood this perspective that TLJ destroys Luke. He makes a mistake, overcomes it, and has a heroic death. He’s humanized, and still gets to be badass at the end.

The problem is that he had repeated the same mistake he had committed before: considering the cold-blooded murder of one of his family members. It undermines and undoes his entire arc of overcoming darkness in Return of the Jedi. When Luke attacks Vader, he realizes his mistake and throws away his lightsaber in front of the Emperor, promising that he will never turn to the dark side.

The point of him realizing his mistake and promising to never turn to the dark side was to show that he has matured as a person, to better face and overcome the darkness in the galaxy and within himself.

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#1317469
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Return of the Jedi (My saga edit)
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IlFanEditore said:

Crawl ideas?

Here’s my new crawl test.

*The GALACTIC EMPIRE has begun the construction of a new, dreadful space station, even more
powerful than the first Death Star. The Rebel Alliance struggles to survive.

With the support of his allies, Luke Skywalker has returned to TATOOINE, hoping to free his friend
Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba The Hutt

Meanwhile, EMPEROR PALPATINE travels to the Endor system to overlook the construction and master a
new plan to spell certain doom for the Alliance…*

Please, tell me what you think about it and what you’d change.

You forgot to put a period after “Hutt”.

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#1317252
Topic
SE Changes that SHOULD have been made/should be made in the future
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Honestly, I don’t like the whole “Jedi evaporate when they die” concept to begin with. Really, what’s the point of it? Judging by Anakin’s still-present-to-be-roasted-corpse in ROTJ, it’s not a necessary step for post-mortem existence. Is it to spare the bereaved funeral costs? Ridiculous.

Here’s further changes I’d make: When Vader slices Ben, his body’s bisected in gruesome fashion; when Yoda dies, Luke buries him.

To make Star Wars more kid-friendly.