Father Skywalker

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

SilverWook said:

If you can find a quote where Mr. Lucas says SW is Science Fiction, you get a cookie. Otherwise, you're beating a dead Taun Taun.

I am perfectly willing to listen to opposite/different opinions. The problem is, you are not explaining your point more clearly. Please tell me your opinion on why SW is not science fiction, and why it's a fantasy story!!!!

The definition of Science-Fiction:

Science fiction is a genre of fiction dealing with imaginary but more or less plausible content such as future settings, futuristic science and technology, space travel, parallel universes, aliens, and paranormal abilities. Exploring the consequences of scientific innovations is one purpose of science fiction, making it a "literature of ideas".  Science Fiction has been used by authors and film/television program makers as a device to explore more wide ranging philosophical subjects such as identity, desire, morality and social structure etc.

Science fiction is largely based on writing rationally about alternative possible worlds or futures.   It is similar to, but differs from fantasy in that, within the context of the story, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated laws of nature (though some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculation).

So there. Star Wars does not fall  into that category. Another quote:

Drawing the line between science fiction and fantasy is not made any clearer by the fact that both of them can use invented worlds, non-human intelligent creatures (sometimes, in science fiction as well as fantasy, based on myth: consider C. L. Moore's Shambleau and Yvala), and amazing monsters. It is, to a large extent, authorial fiat that tells us that C. S. Lewis' Narnia books are set in a fantasy world rather than on another planet . An example of this is Star Wars, a borderline case in which a mystical power known as the Force lends a strong fantasy element to the science fiction veneer. The main difference between the two is that science fiction is largely based on established scientific theories, while science fantasy is largely implausible.

So that puts that to rest

 

 

 

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, is NOT a fantasy world, but rather, a galaxy far away from the Milky Way Galaxy......

To quote TV Tropes.com

A space opera is a work set in a far future space faring civilization, where the technology is ubiquitous and entirely secondary to the story. It has an epic character to it: The universe is big, there are lots of sprawling civilizations and empires, there are political conflicts and intrigues galore. Frequently it takes place in the Standard Sci Fi Setting. In perspective, it is a development of the Planetary Romance that looks beyond the exotic locations that were imagined for the local solar system in early science fiction (which the hard light of science revealed to be barren and lifeless) out into an infinite universe of imagined exotic locations.

Space opera has a lot of romantic elements: big love stories, epic space battles, oversized heroes and villains, awe-inspiring places, and insanely gorgeous women.

And to quote Wikipedia too

Classic pulp space opera cover

Space opera is a subgenre of science fiction that emphasizes romantic, often melodramatic adventure, set mainly or entirely in outer space, generally involving conflict between opponents possessing advanced technologies and abilities. The term has no relation to music and it is analogous to "soap opera". Perhaps the most significant trait of space opera is that settings, characters, battles, powers, and themes tend to be very large-scale.

Sometimes the term space opera is used pejoratively to science fiction often combined with mythological themes, but its meaning can differ, often describing a particular science fiction genre without any value judgement.

Jaitea said:

A small band of Rebels.....A deleted scene is considered more canon than the EU

(Despayre & the like) that you've mentioned

J

What does despayre have anything to do with my arguement???

If a deleted scene is canon, then so is a deleted script, please explain this whole canon mumbo jumbo to me......

Endor and Yavin IV never would've been almost destroyed if the rebel alliance had never existed, the rebels provoked that.....

Leonardo said:

Father Skywalker said:

SW is not a fantasy story.......

Fantasy=orcs, dragons, elves, goblins, magic, witchcraft, witches, wizards, sorcerers and warlocks and mages, mystical powers and artifacts and magical swords, hobbits, balrogs, fictional gods and deities......

orcs = wampas

dragons =krayt dragons

elves = ewoks

goblins = jawas

magic, witchcraft = the Force

witches, wizards, sorcerers and warlocks and mages = Force users and Jedi

mystical powers = Force powers

magical swords = light sabers

hobbits = ughnaughts

The ligthsabers are just laser swords, nothing mystical, supernatural, spiritual, or magical about them, just like the Force, it's is just an energy field created by the cells of living beings, a superpower if you will......

Elves, goblins, and orcs all are mystical beings, ewoks, krayt dragons and ughnaughts are not.....

SilverWook said:

Because "space fantasy" is the term I've heard most consistently used since 1977. Lucas actually got a lot of guff from people who loved THX 1138, and were expecting another cold hard edged SF film from him.

Define "cold hard edged science fiction films", please.....

Second of all, space opera is a subgenre of science fiction.....

Jaitea said:

But the DSII was armed & the deleted scenes (as 100% canon as you can get....filmed) show your mate Jerjerrod about to destroy the forest moon.....not technically a planet....but

J

First of all, if they're are deleted from the script or the movie, then they aint canon, if not, then why delete them????

Even if that scene is canon, Endor was home to armed wartime rebel enemies.....

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

BmB said:

 

Father Skywalker said:

OneCentSky said:

Mainly because it wasn't more of the same. I think it continued the story in a logical way. If you blow up the Death Star, you do not win for good, The Empire will come after you. It tells you what happens afterwards it isn't just Episode 4 with same characters, different villain. It is a logical continuation and I think it is the one of the greatest movies ever made. Granted, I like the first one a lot but I think this one is definitely my favorite but I guess that is just my preference.

What the hell was the point of blowing up the first death star anyways??? Why did the rebels steal the plans for it??

Not having your planet blown up seems like a fairly good reason.

 

I can agree with you on that, it may have very well been self defense, which in a war against evil mass-murderers, self defense is totally OK and morally good, right, and just; just think about the second world war........

However, Alderaan, and despayre (if you count the EU) were already destroyed, the galactic empire had no other plans whatsoever of using it on any other planets, ever watched episode 6, no second death star used to destroy planets!!!!!!

At that point the galactic empire was harmless......

Ermmm, except that they were just about to blow up Yavin 4  So thats one reason to blow up the first Death Star. Seriously have you even watched these movies?

Yes, I have watched these movies. Yavin 4 was a military target filled with rebel traitors who were armed enemies during wartime.......

And what are the other reasons??

SilverWook said:

If you can find a quote where Mr. Lucas says SW is Science Fiction, you get a cookie. Otherwise, you're beating a dead Taun Taun.

I am perfectly willing to listen to opposite/different opinions. The problem is, you are not explaining your point more clearly. Please tell me your opinion on why SW is not science fiction, and why it's a fantasy story!!!!

Jaitea said:

But Star Wars has floating cars & cool space ships, if that was in the past they'd be using horses....and carts & stuff

J

An ancient galactic civilization may be far more technologically advanced than us.......

Jaitea said:

Yeah but who actually died on the Death Star, did they not escape?

And even if they didn't escape they were just clones

J

almost everybody escaped from the second death star........

nobody escaped from the first death star, remember, tarkin said no evacuation???

BmB said:

 

Father Skywalker said:

OneCentSky said:

Mainly because it wasn't more of the same. I think it continued the story in a logical way. If you blow up the Death Star, you do not win for good, The Empire will come after you. It tells you what happens afterwards it isn't just Episode 4 with same characters, different villain. It is a logical continuation and I think it is the one of the greatest movies ever made. Granted, I like the first one a lot but I think this one is definitely my favorite but I guess that is just my preference.

What the hell was the point of blowing up the first death star anyways??? Why did the rebels steal the plans for it??

Not having your planet blown up seems like a fairly good reason.

 

I can agree with you on that, it may have very well been self defense, which in a war against evil mass-murderers, self defense is totally OK and morally good, right, and just; just think about the second world war........

However, Alderaan, and despayre (if you count the EU) were already destroyed, the galactic empire had no other plans whatsoever of using it on any other planets, ever watched episode 6, no second death star used to destroy planets!!!!!!

At that point the galactic empire was harmless......

Jaitea said:

If its science fiction how come it says "A long time ago" at the beginning, science fiction is about the future

J

Science fiction isn't by definition futuristic......

Futuristic settings are very common for science fiction, but not a must.... X-Men is science fiction, yet it takes place in modern times, just like space oddsey and gattaca and stuff like that......

Some fantasy can actually be futuristic, if it has supernatural, mystical and magical elements and downplays on the science elements; if it has supernatural, mystical, and magical elements combined with a focus on science fiction themes (as opposed to just a background setting/props), then it's is science fantasy, a blending of the two genres......

Science fiction can take place in the past..... For instance, what if I write a book about a guy that time travels to the past, you see now????

TV's Frink said:

Father Skywalker said:

TV's Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Yes it's an historical picture based on fact like Game Of Thrones and Conan.

No, it's actually a documentary.

SW is not a fantasy story.......

Fantasy=orcs, dragons, elves, goblins, magic, witchcraft, witches, wizards, sorcerers and warlocks and mages, mystical powers and artifacts and magical swords, hobbits, balrogs, fictional gods and deities......

Science fiction=spaceships, telepathy, galaxies, hyperspace, interplanetary setting, faster than light travel, ray guns and laser guns (lightsabers anybody here), aliens, robots, cyborgs, space battles, cloning, space stations, floating hovering cities (cloud city!!!).......

It's neither, it's a documentary.  Pay attention!

how is star wars a documentary????

Jaitea said:

Father Skywalker said:

OneCentSky said:

Mainly because it wasn't more of the same. I think it continued the story in a logical way. If you blow up the Death Star, you do not win for good, The Empire will come after you. It tells you what happens afterwards it isn't just Episode 4 with same characters, different villain. It is a logical continuation and I think it is the one of the greatest movies ever made. Granted, I like the first one a lot but I think this one is definitely my favorite but I guess that is just my preference.

What the hell was the point of blowing up the first death star anyways??? Why did the rebels steal the plans for it??

To make a good ending to a movie

J

Watching millions of people getting burned to death in a fiery explosion seems like such a happy ending, WOW, so nice.....

The rebellion alliance were just plain evil... They were all happy and excited after the death star exploded......

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

George Lucas is like Santa Claus, the wise old white-haired bearded man who gives everybody (millions of people actually) gifts and presents (kickass SW movies)!!!!!

You mean except for those loyal fans that supported him since 1977 and gave him his Empire through ticket and merchandising sales, only to get shafted with the suppression of the Original versions that they love.

OMG, here we go again.....

TV's Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Yes it's an historical picture based on fact like Game Of Thrones and Conan.

No, it's actually a documentary.

SW is not a fantasy story.......

Fantasy=orcs, dragons, elves, goblins, magic, witchcraft, witches, wizards, sorcerers and warlocks and mages, mystical powers and artifacts and magical swords, hobbits, balrogs, fictional gods and deities......

Science fiction=spaceships, telepathy, galaxies, hyperspace, interplanetary setting, faster than light travel, ray guns and laser guns (lightsabers anybody here), aliens, robots, cyborgs, space battles, cloning, space stations, floating hovering cities (cloud city!!!).......

adywan said:

Wexter said:

I know this is not a place to advertise, but I have a collection of 19 mint-condition Darth Back live-action figures with accessories and sets for sale at a reasonable price. If anyone is interested, please, PM me.

Damn, i wanted one of those so bad when i was a kid. I'd heard about them but never saw one for ages. I was able to get one of the original un-produced Darth Back soap sets. I just loved the tag line on the boxes; " Wash your back with Back". I can't believe that i managed to get this thing in its original condition for just over £1 at a car boot sale. I've seen these things going for hundreds on ebay now.

If Luke Skywalker turned to darkside of the Force, his Sith Lord Title would be Darth Sister-Kisser!!!!!

OneCentSky said:

Mainly because it wasn't more of the same. I think it continued the story in a logical way. If you blow up the Death Star, you do not win for good, The Empire will come after you. It tells you what happens afterwards it isn't just Episode 4 with same characters, different villain. It is a logical continuation and I think it is the one of the greatest movies ever made. Granted, I like the first one a lot but I think this one is definitely my favorite but I guess that is just my preference.

What the hell was the point of blowing up the first death star anyways??? Why did the rebels steal the plans for it??

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

zombie84 said:

"It's like poetry, it rhyms."

What the HELL does that even mean???

It rhymes like poetry???

Ask old George:

George Lucas "Poetry"

George Lucas is just like Santa Claus, the wise old white-haired bearded man who gives everybody (millions of people actually) gifts and presents (kickass SW movies)!!!!!

SilverWook said:

I miss Easterhay...

I wish that I could go back in time and relive the good ol days when dead famous people were still alive, just for once....

I was alive when George Carlin died, and I was into neoseeker forums then, just about a half a year before he died....

Bingowings said:

Obligatory words.

For my ally is chuck norris, and a powerful ally he is, he creates life, makes it grow!!!!!!!

Wexter said:

Father Skywalker said:

TV's Frink said:

You're funny.

So is george carlin, too bad i found out about him not even half a year after he died...... I hate finding out about somebody just a little bit too late!!!!!!

Yeah, imagine all the fun you two could have had together....

I mean, he died in the summer of 2008, the year that my first bird died, and then, after the summer was over and I started a new part and chapter of my life again and I met a whole lotta new friends, I met somebody who was reading some book (it was a book about natural disasters or deadly situations in the wild or something like that), and I started reading that book.......

After I started reading that book, I remember one day reading that book, which I got several months after george carlin/my first bird died, and then i went into the car waiting for somebody and I read a george carlin book from the library. A few months later I realized that he had died about almost a year before, and I was like, wow, that's is just plain awkward and creepy!!!!!!

A year later, Michael Jackson died.........

TV's Frink said:

Father Skywalker said:

Bingowings said:

Darth Ion is cannon.

Lets stop spamming

You're funny.

So is george carlin, too bad i found out about him not even half a year after he died...... I hate finding out about somebody just a little bit too late!!!!!!

Bingowings said:

Father Skywalker said:

Jaitea said:

Father Skywalker said:

Bingowings said:

Darth Ion is cannon.

Lets stop spamming and actually discuss the topic of episode 5, which, I want to discuss right now, how did darth vader plan on ovethrowing darth sidious and becoming emperor of the galactic empire himself????

He'd kill him

J

Why not just capture him or imprison him or do something like that???

Why not just bombard him with pointless suggestions and wonky speculations so he has to spend so much time explaining how nonsensical they are that he doesn't notice an obvious coup d'état

Did Darth Vader want Luke Skywalker to be his 2nd-in command, kinda like the same role that palpatine gave anakin, or did he want Luke to be another Emperor?? When he said "join me and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son", was he referring to a diuumvarate, where 2 dictators share equal power, or he was just offering Luke a higher-up position of power in the empire???

Jaitea said:

Yes, yes I had that book.......see told ya

J

What book may this be????

Wexter said:

Grand Moff Tarkin actually did survive the explosion. I remember reading a book about that. When the Death Star attack commenced, Tarkin, an old war hero, was shocked to see the troops die once more like in his old days. He reconsidered his career with the Empire and as everyone was too busy with the battle, he packed his stuff and hid in the Death Star basement, which is where he survived the explosion. He then took a cab home and retired on the beaches of Utapau.

The person we see right before the explosion is in fact Tarkin's bodyguard/body-double known simply as Billy. Apparently he did not survive the explosion but the evidence from last year's season of Clone Wars seems to suggest that he may have been saved as well.

Please give me some evidence to support your opinion!!!!

Otherwise, U just seem like some troll, spammer, or a silly nonsense poster!!!