TheBoost said:
Father Skywalker said:
TheBoost said:
nightstalkerpoet said:
Vader would have plunged the galaxy into unending civil war, with a constant disregard to individual planetary sovereigns. Rebellions would rise to fight the Empire, but Vader's total lack of guilt for murder would make it impossible for compassionate people to win, especially diplomatically. Vader would be a black hole, enveloping ever star system and galaxy possible. Considering his origins, he needs a continuing driving force to maintain his evil. Without it, I think he would fall into a deep depression and be usurped by those working under him.
Totally afree.
I think the long term escalation of Vader's need to oppress and destroy his enemies as his hatred and evil grows would have eventually led Vader, in his older age, to want something like a Death Star.
Like a junkie, he'd eventually need that level of sheer, near omnipotent evil, to get his fix.
Opressing and destroying your enemies is not evil, if your enemies just happened to be armed wartime rebels, who are traitors that are commiting treason against the state.....
Gotta disagree with you there. As a rule, oppressing people is bad. And since Vader is end-all-be-all evil (even by his own definitions) then his enemies are more often than not going to be justified in their resistance to them.
And while yes, there is the difficult line where one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter (go Red Dawn!), in this post Enlightenment era I think we can agree that a fascist dictatorship headed by DARTH F)(&)$#G VADER doesn't exactly have the mandate of heaven.
Gotta agree and disagree with you at the same time here. Yes, one man's terrorist and evil hated enemy dictator tyrant sicko is another man's hero, freedom fighter, and savior figure, that's is a very interesting observation there.....
For instance, let's take a good look at what happened in during/WW2. The Allied Powers defeated Adolf Hitler, the Third Reich, Nazism, Nazi Germany, the evil xenophobic racist Japanese Empire (a very little known fact about imperial japan during the second world war, they were evil bastards who killed innocent people and civilians in China and other countries-for instance, unit 731, it's is a Slayer song, but it's is also a horrible torture chamber human experimentation done by imperial Japan).....
So, we defeated 2 of the most evil groups of people in all of history, and saved possibly, almost most certainly and definitley true, tens of millions of innocent lives from evil mass murderers. Regardless of the fact that the allied powers contained an evil mass murderer, Joesph Stalin, and some may have estimated that the soviet union atrocity body count may have even surpassed that of nazi germany, in the long run, without the soviet union, tens of millions of more innocent people would have died in genocide and ethnic cleansing. The Stalinist soviet union did most of it's atrocities and purges before the 3rd reich ever came to power, and most of joseph stalin's atrocities were done and over with, as opposed to the nazis, who were a real threat that had to be stopped and defeated.....
I have no doubt whatsoever that the Allied troops were heroic soldiers who sacrificed their lives and their sacrifice had helped to defend and protect the innocent people.... Sure, they may have fought during the war and yes, many military soldiers on both sides died, but it was to defeat evil. Defeating evil people is worth it, and it's is basically fighting for freedom and peace and justice and security in this world. War is terrible, especially if it involves drafted and conscripted troops, but sometimes, war is nessecary. WW2 saved tens of millions of lives.
Anybody that calls the allied powers "terrorists" or "bad guys" needs to go see the nearest doctor possible and get a mental evaluation.....
Back on the main topic of this thread, Darth Vader being evil. I mean, come on really??? Darth Vader was absolutley nothing compared to the many infamous tyrants and dictators of this world. Think of it this way. Sure, he may have helped the Emperor to kill some Jedis, during Order 66, Operation Knightfall, aka the Great Jedi Purge..... But, in a galaxy filled with quadrillions of citizens, would he have really been that bad of a ruler???
The destruction of Alderaan and Despayre were nothing on a galactic scale with such a ginormous huge big population like that, they were maybe only about a few thousand people from earth filled with somewhere between 6-7 billion people, a few billion people in a galaxy with quadrillions living in it??
Other than that, would the rise and fall of the empire have really affected the average joe??? the jedi purge was done and over with, something that had happened in the past......
Because the entire premise of star wars is that the rebellion alliance is waging a just war to defeat evil right??
Well, the galactic sith empires that existed even before the prequel didn't have any death stars, but they were still evil and tyrannical dictators; samuel L jackson said, "the opression of the sith will never return", implying something that the movies never really specified, but the EU probably does........
