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#611935
Topic
When/Why did you become an OT purist?
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SilverWook said:

Lucasfilm prevented the AFI from showing a 1977 print of Star Wars as part of a festival celebrating the 20th century. (SW was picked to represent the best of the 1970's, so showing an SE print would be pointless.) That was probably the camel back breaker moment for me.

my older brother told me that the original star wars trilogy should stand on its own, without any remastered editions to it

i disagree with him

Victory celebration is an awesome, godlike, kickass, epic, yet melancholic, catchy, dancy, song at the same time!!!!!!!!!

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#611926
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What do you LIKE about the Prequels?
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Wexter said:

Father Skywalker said:

Wexter said:

I would be willing to list 5 reasons why I hate the movie for every single reason why YOU love it, BESIDES the fact that it has gorgeous topless Hayden Christensen in it.

1-it has the "gorgeous, topless, Hayden Christensen" in it, with awesome long-dark brown hair, a beautiful yet evil and young lord darth vader-sounding-ish, voice-all good looks aside, he looked and sounded like a young Darth Vader without the james earl jones robotic cybernetic voice, the robot suit, the samurai helmet, the pale, white skinned-disfigured burned egg-shaped/looking ugly face, (like the Obi-Wan Kenobi said, more machine now than man, he started out as a normal looking-person but became disfigured inside of a suit, which was in the novelizations long before the prequels ever came out),

But rather, an evil creepy sounding charimatic devoted determined, young voice, evil-long dark brown hair like a badass medieval knight (or a heavy metal singer) or an ancient Roman Warrior, and long black robes of a dark lord of the sith. He just had that perfect evil-looking face, if not a beautiful handsome evil looking face.

2- Padme Amidala is Force Choked by Darth Vader, not an military imperial admiral/officer, but Luke and Leia skywalker's pregnant mother on a volcano planet being force-choked by young pre-suit Darth Vader, which means that darth vader also indirectly force choked his children too!!!!!

3-Anakin skywalker's turn to the darkside to save luke and leia's pregnant mother from some kinda pregnancy childbirth death. It made Darth Vader more humanlike.

4-The part where darth vader slaughters the entire seperatist council on Mustafar, and how Darth Vader actually cries about it afterwards, showing the good in him, and the conflict with him....

5-the march on the jedi temple was just pure plain epic awesomeness and godlike-style kickass

6-the sad music that played when the jedi were all killed off

7-the homages

Okay, I am going to keep my promise, but then I will follow Jaitea's advice and never ever respond to you again, because now I am sure you must be trolling, until now I was willing to consider the fact that you were dropped on your head as a child. Repeatedly.

1.1 - I think the Anakin character is one of the main reasons the prequels didn't work at all. Of course the character was terribly written, but a showroom dummy would have played the part better than Hayden. He only has 3 faces to put on in episode 2 and learns one more in the next one. Darth Vader was intimidating. I would probably laugh in his face if he was portrayed like this. Tommy Wiseau could have performed the role better. You would like him, he has long dark hair and muscles.

1.2 - The characters are terrible in general. Nobody is acting like an actual human being in this movie.

1.3 - People tend to like episode 3 because it has a lot of stuff going on. That may be true, but thanks to that it all feels rushed.

1.4 - Not only does this movie have way too much story to tell, that can be blamed on the lack of story progress in the previous two, but it actually builds unnecessary subplots (eg. general Grievous, Darth Plagueis), so there is even less space to develop what is actually important for the story.

1.5 - It tries to make up for the bad storytelling by silly action sequences that make no sense and since they were done strictly by CGI, look mostly ridiculous by now.

2.1 - The film tries to be way too epic for a third installment in a six-part saga. Story-wise it sucks, of course, but visually, it attempts to overshadow all the other films, making sure that even a dozen more Special Editions in, the following three filsm from 1970s/80s would never look like they belong to the same series.

2.2 - Since everything happens so fast, the turn to the dark side is abrupt and makes little sense. Anakin comes out really stupid out of this one.

2.3 - The film ends so that at the very last minute everything gets to the exact same spot we find it two decades later. That feels very sloppy.

2.4 - Once Anakin turns to the dark side, there is no conflict in him, he just decides to be a giant asshole and really enjoy it. He even strangles Padme, who has been the reason he went this far and apparently is not even aware of this, because when he gets in the armor, he needs to be reminded of that.

2.5 - Pretty much all the characters are unlikable, I know nothing is black and white but everyone behaves like a complete idiot, especially the Jedi who are supposed to be the heroes in this move!

3.1 - The obligatory space battle is confusing. Neither side is trying to win it, they are just showing off their weaponry. Also, what was Grevous' plan? Take Palpatine to the orbit and sit there? I suppose so, since he makes no effort to flee and he cannot seriously consider to take over the Republic's capital (which barely notices there is a war going on!).

3.2 - The lightsaber duels, especially the one on Mustafar, are terrible! Again, they are not fighting to defeat the opponent, but to show off!

3.3 - The transition from Republic to Empire was laughably smooth.

3.4 - Padme loosing will to live was just a stupid tool of removing a character that fulfiled her purpose of giving birth to the characters of the good trilogy.

3.5 -This may be partly because we know the story of the original trilogy already, but the movie fails to build a tension. The characters and even nations are so unlikable that I really don't care about what will happen to them.

4 - No way I am going to acknowledge your point no. 4, since you just made that up. Anakin never ever doubts his decision. He doesn't cry, he just looks to the cammera to look good in the trailer and make weirdos like you dripping wet.

5.1 - While John Williams is a true master of his craft and i cannot blame him for the failure that these movies were, I can hardly recall any piece of music that was specific to episode 3 that really got my attention. This surely cannot be said for the original trilogy or even The Phantom Menace.

5.2 - Why exactly did Yoda need to go to exile? I can think of number of things he may have been doing to sabotage the empire, without risking his life (supporting the rebellion groups for example).

5.3 - The only group of scenes that showed that there actually was an opposition to the completely stupid policy of Palpatine eventually ended on the cutting room floor. But perhaps they thought that it is no big harm, since besides the three scenes, this subplot really goes nowhere (unless is even more material I am not aware of).

5.4 - "He is too dangerous to be kept alive!" - I know this was a plot device, but it is SO out of character for a high ranking Jedi Knight.

5.5 - "There are heroes on both sides." - Ermm... what? Is Dooku a hero? Surely not. Girevous? Or the battledroids?

6.1 - The movie had an opportunity to show the demise of the Jedi order. Instead we get like three short death scenes of some of the characters that were fortunate enough to get a name and a shot of sir psycho sexy leading an army of man-robots to beat up some kids in a temple.

6.2 - Obi-Wan riding a large lizard. Just because he can.

6.3 - The suggested reference to Anakin's midichlorian origins are never resolved and it is not ambiguous in a good way, it just seems like an unfinished plot point.

6.4 - Why did Yoda give up the fight? Because he fell of a platform once? Overall, he had the upper hand....

6.5 - Qui-Gon is referenced, but it seems like a way to make sure his character was not completely redundant to begin with, but also to explain (or rather suggest) the force-ghost thing, which they forgot about during the last two movies.

7.1 - Comparing this movie to the original trilogy makes me angry. It is hardly even the same genre. The cinematography is like a day and night.

7.2 - I mentioned stupid and lazy writing but it doesn't even attempt to keep the secret of Vader's identity or even the twins twist, both of which were mind-blowers back in the day.

7.3 - The cult status of this movie annoys me. Just because it is tad better than the last one (small achievement, considering that one was one of the worst movies of all times), everyone seems to think of it as "the good prequel". It isn't, for reasons to support this I would refer you to the previous paragraphs or to an opinion of pretty much any person with at least half a brain.

7.4 - If it didn't have "Star Wars" in its title, I would never be interested in watching such a terrible mess of a movie.

7.5 - I wish it didn't have "Star Wars" in its title.

Wexter, how would you have written the prequels in a way that does not spoil the reveal in star wars episode 5-the empire strikes back, that Darth Vader is actually the same person as Anakin Skywalker, the father to Luke Skywalker???

Besides, everybody knows about that anyways, it's is no longer a spoiler, but a staple of popular culture........

Across the Stars and Anakin's Dark Deeds and the Birth of the Twin's and Padme's Destiny and Padme's Funeral and padme's ruminations were awesome soundtracks.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GRWSHfyYlc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1T9-wxjm0U



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#611924
Topic
When did The Empire Strikes Back become more highly regarded than Star Wars?
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Tyrphanax said:

Father Skywalker said:

High taxes, trade rescritions, no personal rights and freedoms, are what Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker's epic and dramatic redemption is about???? No!!!!!!!

So, millions of people with families that they loved and cared about and who grieved for their losses were horribly burned to death in two fiery explosions

Just so people could have lower taxes????? What the????????

What about all the innocents who died on Alderaan, a civilian target? Did nobody there have families? Those attacks were unprovoked. If Princess Leia stole the plans, shouldn't they have killed her instead of blowing up a whole planet full of people who had nothing to do with the stolen plans and were peaceful, happy citizens of the Empire?

The Death Stars, however, were military targets, controlled and manned by military personnel, all of whom joined the military knowing the risks of being in the military. No peaceful innocent citizens on those at all.

you contradicted urself because u first said that the empire destroyed alderaan with the DS1 (the first death star) to interrogate/spite princess leia organa, however, you also just said that it was destroyed for unprovoked reasons. Well, which is it????

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#611918
Topic
What would Darth Vader have been like as a ruler, if he had overthrown emperor palpatine and became the emperor/ruler of the galaxy himself??
Time

Tyrphanax said:

No. I am done with you professionally.

I will not bash my head into the brick wall of your neuroses again. I can only hope that, one day, you take a good, long look in the mirror and finally understand what it was all about.

Thank you.

Fine. Can you at least tell me about what U would think of Emperor Darth Vader???

My theories are these.

He would have purged the empire from dissenting admirals, officers, and troops, even in the absence of any war, maybe even just for political dissneters.

He would've done all of the imperial atrocities, like you mentioned in the EU (the expanded universe).

He probably would have used the death star, but possibly not.

He may not have been as evil/opressive as the emperor palpatine Darth Sidious

i wish george lucas was on this forum to answer all of my questions/theories/ideas/speculations/hypotheticals/canon debates

 

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#611913
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Do you think Grand Moff Tarkin survived the Death Star Explosion?
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SilverWook said:

Father Skywalker said:

Tyrphanax said:

darth_ender said:

 

TV's Frink said:

So...Tarkin, anyone?

 

Ah, yes.  He might taste good roasted over a campfire with a little BBQ sauce and some Cajun spices.  Thanks for asking!

Tarkin's roasting on an open fire...

Wampas ripping up your clothes...

It's is very hard to believe that underneath Darth Vader's robotic cybernetic samurai mask, hanging out with tarkin and all of those other imperial admirals/officers, and fighting luke skywalker, is a middle aged, pale white skinned that looked like an egg, burned, scarred, bald, Hayden Christensen face and beautiful voice!!!!!!!!

Copy paste the same thing much?

I made a reference about hayden christensen and tarkin in a new hope, not a double posting/spamming

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#611906
Topic
Do you think Grand Moff Tarkin survived the Death Star Explosion?
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zombie84 said:

They show a shot of him right before the DS explodes. In movie grammar, this is indicating that he is onboard the DS a second before it blows up. The film was not structured like that originally, but the editors decided to intercut Tarkin to increase the threat and remind the viewers why the DS is being attacked, and also give bigger emotional payoff when it drives home that the main villain in charge just got destroyed.

It was very much intentional, and that's all there is to it. "Stand by, stand by", shot of X-wings flying away, shot of Tarkin ONBOARD THE DEATH STAR, cut to massive explosion as all perish. They added that shot just to remind people--hey, Tarkin didn't evacuate, he is still onboard counting on the Death Star firing first, and they almost do but then BOOM.

End of story.

Unless U R willing to go for some crazy absurd fan-made conspiracy theory, he died. He must've been feeling a lot of pain and suffering from 3-rd third degree burns in that one crazy moment

However, some other user, I think it was Wexter, made a post about the EU expanded universe tarkin clone that died on the first death star (the DS1) and that tarkin was somewhere else at the time and that he actually survived the explosion!!!!!!!

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#611900
Topic
Do you think Grand Moff Tarkin survived the Death Star Explosion?
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Tyrphanax said:

darth_ender said:

 

TV's Frink said:

So...Tarkin, anyone?

 

Ah, yes.  He might taste good roasted over a campfire with a little BBQ sauce and some Cajun spices.  Thanks for asking!

Tarkin's roasting on an open fire...

Wampas ripping up your clothes...

It's is very hard to believe that underneath Darth Vader's robotic cybernetic samurai mask, hanging out with tarkin and all of those other imperial admirals/officers, and fighting luke skywalker, is a middle aged, pale white skinned that looked like an egg, burned, scarred, bald, Hayden Christensen face and beautiful voice!!!!!!!!

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#611879
Topic
What would Darth Vader have been like as a ruler, if he had overthrown emperor palpatine and became the emperor/ruler of the galaxy himself??
Time

Tyrphanax said:

That user was wrong.

 

And I am sorry, but I cannot and will not continue to explain that the official stance of Lucasfilm is that all EU is on the exact same timeline as the movies while you continue to ignore it.

I just can't do it anymore.

The EU and the films are not two different timelines/storylines because, officially, all EU is on the exact same timeline as the movies.

Your analogies about Spiderman do not apply to this situation because, officially, all EU is on the exact same timeline as the movies.

You say that you don't want to make up your own canon and want to know what the official copyright owning people say? They say that, officially, all EU is on the exact same timeline as the movies.

Again. Officially, all EU is on the exact same timeline as the movies.

One last time: Officially, all EU is on the exact same timeline as the movies.

One last time-how do your claims explain the George Lucas quote that I kept posting???

One last time-please send a quote to confirm what the people who own the legally-protected copyright to the Star Wars SW series say about canon and the EU expanded universe, and contradict what I said about the spiderman and the james bond movies, and contradict that george lucas quote

One last time-do u even get me analogies????

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#611872
Topic
When did The Empire Strikes Back become more highly regarded than Star Wars?
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zombie84 said:

Well, weren't you the one discounting the EU in another thread or this? The EU can make up whatever it wants. It's like if you got a job writing a comic, you could put something like that in there. It's cool that those writers have that interpretation of the film. But it's just an interpretation. It doesn't make it so when we are discussing the films. In the films, the only enlisted service ever spoken of is voluntary, and we never see, nor are given reason to believe, there are women and children on board. What purpose would that serve anyway? Another reason I gave up on the EU 12 years ago.

And here i thought the EU was canon. The other user told me that it was canon

somebody on the jedi council forums mentioned women and children on the death stars

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#611869
Topic
Do you think Grand Moff Tarkin survived the Death Star Explosion?
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adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

EWW........ I aint in love with Hayden Christensen, a male actor!!!!!!!!!

As for your last paragraph, by acting, I meant the dialogue and the script and the words that they said. Maybe george Lucas just wrote a different dialogue and acting character script

BTW, I don't know the details of all of this, and I never saw Hayden Christensen (aka Hay Chris) in any other movie other than the Star Wars SW prequel trilogy of films/movies.......

lol, and there is your double standards right there coming right out of your own mouth. People in glass houses and all that.....

Then maybe you should watch his other films first before accusing people of being biased towards him. How the hell can you defend his bad acting in the prequels by saying it is down to george's script and directing when you haven't seen him act in anything else?

Please be more specific about the whole/entire double standards thing/issue.....

How was his acting even bad in the first place????

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#611866
Topic
What do you LIKE about the Prequels?
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Wexter said:

Father Skywalker said:

Wexter said:

I would be willing to list 5 reasons why I hate the movie for every single reason why YOU love it, BESIDES the fact that it has gorgeous topless Hayden Christensen in it.

1-it has the "gorgeous, topless, Hayden Christensen" in it, with awesome long-dark brown hair, a beautiful yet evil and young lord darth vader-sounding-ish, voice-all good looks aside, he looked and sounded like a young Darth Vader without the james earl jones robotic cybernetic voice, the robot suit, the samurai helmet, the pale, white skinned-disfigured burned egg-shaped/looking ugly face, (like the Obi-Wan Kenobi said, more machine now than man, he started out as a normal looking-person but became disfigured inside of a suit, which was in the novelizations long before the prequels ever came out),

But rather, an evil creepy sounding charimatic devoted determined, young voice, evil-long dark brown hair like a badass medieval knight (or a heavy metal singer) or an ancient Roman Warrior, and long black robes of a dark lord of the sith. He just had that perfect evil-looking face, if not a beautiful handsome evil looking face.

2- Padme Amidala is Force Choked by Darth Vader, not an military imperial admiral/officer, but Luke and Leia skywalker's pregnant mother on a volcano planet being force-choked by young pre-suit Darth Vader, which means that darth vader also indirectly force choked his children too!!!!!

3-Anakin skywalker's turn to the darkside to save luke and leia's pregnant mother from some kinda pregnancy childbirth death. It made Darth Vader more humanlike.

4-The part where darth vader slaughters the entire seperatist council on Mustafar, and how Darth Vader actually cries about it afterwards, showing the good in him, and the conflict with him....

5-the march on the jedi temple was just pure plain epic awesomeness and godlike-style kickass

6-the sad music that played when the jedi were all killed off

7-the homages

Okay, I am going to keep my promise, but then I will follow Jaitea's advice and never ever respond to you again, because now I am sure you must be trolling, until now I was willing to consider the fact that you were dropped on your head as a child. Repeatedly.

1.1 - I think the Anakin character is one of the main reasons the prequels didn't work at all. Of course the character was terribly written, but a showroom dummy would have played the part better than Hayden. He only has 3 faces to put on in episode 2 and learns one more in the next one. Darth Vader was intimidating. I would probably laugh in his face if he was portrayed like this. Tommy Wiseau could have performed the role better. You would like him, he has long dark hair and muscles.

1.2 - The characters are terrible in general. Nobody is acting like an actual human being in this movie.

1.3 - People tend to like episode 3 because it has a lot of stuff going on. That may be true, but thanks to that it all feels rushed.

1.4 - Not only does this movie have way too much story to tell, that can be blamed on the lack of story progress in the previous two, but it actually builds unnecessary subplots (eg. general Grievous, Darth Plagueis), so there is even less space to develop what is actually important for the story.

1.5 - It tries to make up for the bad storytelling by silly action sequences that make no sense and since they were done strictly by CGI, look mostly ridiculous by now.

2.1 - The film tries to be way too epic for a third installment in a six-part saga. Story-wise it sucks, of course, but visually, it attempts to overshadow all the other films, making sure that even a dozen more Special Editions in, the following three filsm from 1970s/80s would never look like they belong to the same series.

2.2 - Since everything happens so fast, the turn to the dark side is abrupt and makes little sense. Anakin comes out really stupid out of this one.

2.3 - The film ends so that at the very last minute everything gets to the exact same spot we find it two decades later. That feels very sloppy.

2.4 - Once Anakin turns to the dark side, there is no conflict in him, he just decides to be a giant asshole and really enjoy it. He even strangles Padme, who has been the reason he went this far and apparently is not even aware of this, because when he gets in the armor, he needs to be reminded of that.

2.5 - Pretty much all the characters are unlikable, I know nothing is black and white but everyone behaves like a complete idiot, especially the Jedi who are supposed to be the heroes in this move!

3.1 - The obligatory space battle is confusing. Neither side is trying to win it, they are just showing off their weaponry. Also, what was Grevous' plan? Take Palpatine to the orbit and sit there? I suppose so, since he makes no effort to flee and he cannot seriously consider to take over the Republic's capital (which barely notices there is a war going on!).

3.2 - The lightsaber duels, especially the one on Mustafar, are terrible! Again, they are not fighting to defeat the opponent, but to show off!

3.3 - The transition from Republic to Empire was laughably smooth.

3.4 - Padme loosing will to live was just a stupid tool of removing a character that fulfiled her purpose of giving birth to the characters of the good trilogy.

3.5 -This may be partly because we know the story of the original trilogy already, but the movie fails to build a tension. The characters and even nations are so unlikable that I really don't care about what will happen to them.

4 - No way I am going to acknowledge your point no. 4, since you just made that up. Anakin never ever doubts his decision. He doesn't cry, he just looks to the cammera to look good in the trailer and make weirdos like you dripping wet.

5.1 - While John Williams is a true master of his craft and i cannot blame him for the failure that these movies were, I can hardly recall any piece of music that was specific to episode 3 that really got my attention. This surely cannot be said for the original trilogy or even The Phantom Menace.

5.2 - Why exactly did Yoda need to go to exile? I can think of number of things he may have been doing to sabotage the empire, without risking his life (supporting the rebellion groups for example).

5.3 - The only group of scenes that showed that there actually was an opposition to the completely stupid policy of Palpatine eventually ended on the cutting room floor. But perhaps they thought that it is no big harm, since besides the three scenes, this subplot really goes nowhere (unless is even more material I am not aware of).

5.4 - "He is too dangerous to be kept alive!" - I know this was a plot device, but it is SO out of character for a high ranking Jedi Knight.

5.5 - "There are heroes on both sides." - Ermm... what? Is Dooku a hero? Surely not. Girevous? Or the battledroids?

6.1 - The movie had an opportunity to show the demise of the Jedi order. Instead we get like three short death scenes of some of the characters that were fortunate enough to get a name and a shot of sir psycho sexy leading an army of man-robots to beat up some kids in a temple.

6.2 - Obi-Wan riding a large lizard. Just because he can.

6.3 - The suggested reference to Anakin's midichlorian origins are never resolved and it is not ambiguous in a good way, it just seems like an unfinished plot point.

6.4 - Why did Yoda give up the fight? Because he fell of a platform once? Overall, he had the upper hand....

6.5 - Qui-Gon is referenced, but it seems like a way to make sure his character was not completely redundant to begin with, but also to explain (or rather suggest) the force-ghost thing, which they forgot about during the last two movies.

7.1 - Comparing this movie to the original trilogy makes me angry. It is hardly even the same genre. The cinematography is like a day and night.

7.2 - I mentioned stupid and lazy writing but it doesn't even attempt to keep the secret of Vader's identity or even the twins twist, both of which were mind-blowers back in the day.

7.3 - The cult status of this movie annoys me. Just because it is tad better than the last one (small achievement, considering that one was one of the worst movies of all times), everyone seems to think of it as "the good prequel". It isn't, for reasons to support this I would refer you to the previous paragraphs or to an opinion of pretty much any person with at least half a brain.

7.4 - If it didn't have "Star Wars" in its title, I would never be interested in watching such a terrible mess of a movie.

7.5 - I wish it didn't have "Star Wars" in its title.

1-Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker actually cried. Girls aren't the only ones that cried. He had a conflict within him after killing all of those people. A single tear, a manly tear. Not a wailing whining bailing girl (don't misenterpert this post as being sexist, please), but a single tear of remorse and regret, followed by the evil/dark/darker side of him that was in control at that point.

2-Darth Vader looked so badass when marching on the Jedi Temple, with all of those stormtroopers, but this was before he looked like a cyborg black knight samurai with the James Earl Jones voice and mechanical breathing. He was a super hot young looking Hayden Christensen at that point. Although I strongly would have preffered the full-blown, blasting epic classic homage Imperial March during that sequence with the Jedi Temple March!!!!!!!

3- As for ur claim that Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker was not intimidating, you are kinda biased. He has 2 kinds of intimidating-ness..........

Cyborg Samurai Vader

Human-looking Darth Vader before he got all disfigured and needed that life-support black samurai suit/armor. Are you that nostaglic??? Stop being nostaglic. Darth Vader is badass with and/or without the robot samurai suit!!!!!!!

 

 

Yeah. I agree with you on one thing though, at least we agree on something. The mustafar lightsaber duel/fight was too not only choreographed, but so show-off and it lasted way too long until it got overkill, overdone, and just plain boring.....

Hey, remember the dramatic music that played when Luke Skywalker attacked Darth Vader in episode 6 ROTJ, after Darth Vader taunted him??? That should have played during the episode 3 lightsaber duel/fight........

I have two very good interesting questions 4 you.

1-how would you have killed off Padme amidala, if you are so against her dying of a broken heart/losing the will to live????

2-How would you have kept/made this plot twist a secret????

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#611852
Topic
Do you think Grand Moff Tarkin survived the Death Star Explosion?
Time

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

adywan said:

I'm starting to realise that father Skywalker is actually a 12 year old girl, which would explain the immature posts and the fact that they thing that episode 3 is better than the OT. Puberty can do strange things to people ;)

OK, big deal, Im obsessed with hayden christensen's handsomeness and godlike good looks......

Well, you most certainly have a huge double standard, along with the rest of our society........

 

and what the hell is this so called double standard i am supposed to have? Please explain???????

OK, thank you for bringing that up. I'll will explain myself.

If a girl says that another girl is pretty (which is what they do all of the time-I aint trying to be sexist or sterotypical or anything like that-they are very commonly a little bit silly and superficial and obsessed with looking "pretty" and "wearing a lotta nice awesome nice looking  make up", a lot) most people would think nothing of it......

If a guy says that another guy is handsome or good looking, many other people would say "eww, stop judging men, stop judging other guys if they're good looking or not"........

BIG DOUBLE STANDARDS ARE GOING ON HERE!!!!!!!!!

There are no double standards here at all and i don't like what you are accusing me of being. But you have been acting like an immature little girl obsessed with an actor because of his looks. You made no indication that you were male before this post was made.  So come on just come out with it and say it straight what you are accusing me of.

Father Skywalker said:

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

Tyrphanax said:

I mean that people think he's a shitty actor and nobody really cares how he looks.

Dont blame that on the actor himself, blame it on the lines/dialogue/acting script that Mr. George Georgey Toy-Boy Lucas gave him!!!!!!!

He is a crap actor and EVERY OTHER FILM HE HAS BEEN IN SINCE THE PREQUELS proves that. Looks do not make a good actor. You are so blinded by his looks you can't see past them to see just how crap he is. Nothing to do with crap script/ directing

even the claim that his acting is horrible/terrible/sucks/is cheesy is very subjective and biased against him as a person

don't blame him for what george lucas told him to say in the star wars prequels movies/films!!!!!!!!

So how do you explain how bad he is in all the other films that George had nothing to do with? And how is  it biased against him as a person? You seem to be so much in love with him that you feel this overwhelming need to defend his honour all the time, which is getting very tiresome. If someone's acting is good in a movie then i will say that, even if i can't stand the actor or actress in question, so there is no bias.

Now you also have to remember that George also wrote Episode 4 and directed that, yet the acting in that movie was far superior than anything hayden did in the prequels. So how do you account for that apart from the talent in the original, cheesy dialogue and all?

What are U saying that I'm am accusing U of being???? 

EWW........ I aint in love with Hayden Christensen, a male actor!!!!!!!!!

As for your last paragraph, by acting, I meant the dialogue and the script and the words that they said. Maybe george Lucas just wrote a different dialogue and acting character script

BTW, I don't know the details of all of this, and I never saw Hayden Christensen (aka Hay Chris) in any other movie other than the Star Wars SW prequel trilogy of films/movies.......

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#611850
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When did The Empire Strikes Back become more highly regarded than Star Wars?
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Tyrphanax said:

I didn't see any women or children on the Death Star in the films. Please stop only using the EU when it is convenient to your point. Either use it or don't.

The Death Star was a military weapon with a military purpose, manned by military personnel and in military service. It was therefore a military target. In a war, a military target is a much more acceptable thing to attack than is a civilian target.

Many ships were sunk during World War I, but none of them made half as much news as did the Lusitania. That's because the navy ships were acceptable military targets, and thus acceptable casualties of war, no matter how many of the men had families; where as the Lusitania was an unacceptable civilian target and this an unacceptable innocent casualty.

You don't just help enemy combatants to escape. The point is to defeat the enemy, and when they are about to blow your planet up, you don't stop to evacuate everyone while they blow your base up in the meantime; you kill them as quick as you can to save your friends. Beyond that, every single person on board the Death Star at Yavin was complicit in the destruction of Alderaan, making them all war criminals; women and children, drafted soldiers or contractors. There was not one innocent person on that station.

nothing in the films ever confirmed or disproved the existence of women or children on any of the two death stars......

the Expanded UNiverse (the EU), did however.......

Even drafted male soldiers and innocent little 5-year olds and todders and babies deserved it?????

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#611849
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When did The Empire Strikes Back become more highly regarded than Star Wars?
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CapableMetal said:

Father Skywalker said:

High taxes, trade rescritions, no personal rights and freedoms, are what Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker's epic and dramatic redemption is about???? No!!!!!!!

No. I didn't say that. Its just a thread of the story, it provides motive for the actions of the rebellion.

So, millions of people with families that they loved and cared about and who grieved for their losses were horribly burned to death in two fiery explosions

 

 

Just so people could have lower taxes????? What the????????

Yes. I did say that. Although to put it in such simple terms without thinking of the other reasons that justify those deaths, like the higher number of casualties at the hands of the Empire, is rather short-sighted. Alderaan didn't need to be destroyed but it was. The Empire is not shown to have empathy, but it is shown to exterminate an entire planet (with likely billions of innocents) without remorse. It all adds up to one unhappy galactic populace who want to be free. That is quite a big part of the story in OT, and is also present in the PT. Its not the main arc, but its certainly up there.

Then, by that logic, what is the main story arc????

nowhere did luke skywalker even once say "I can feel the conflict within you, my father, you can turn over to the good/light side and give us lower taxes and trade routes".....

Also, here, I will quote some other person's website for copyright reasons........

http://scottjen.wordpress.com/2012/05/05/the-empire-part-2/

And say this, right now.........

Defending the Destruction of Alderaan

Galactic Population

Galactic Population. Kinda scary how many people there are.

One question I haven’t dealt with is the Death Star.  You could use the whole “Clerks Argument” that Luke is a mass murderer himself for destroying the first Death Star and that Lando is equally bad for the second one.  I don‘t take that stance.  Instead, I’d like to suggest, for example, that the Death Star’s destruction—given the scale of the galaxy—is minute and irrelevant.

This is the only part where I’ll probably refer to the EU at all, but there’s no way around it.  EU sources estimate the galaxy at having about 20 millionsentient species in about 180 billion star systems.  A rough estimate suggests about 100 quadrillion beings based upon those numbers.  For some scope, that’s 100 with 15 zeroes afterwards.  That is 14,618,800 times the population of earth.

The population of Alderaan at the time of its destruction was about 1.97 billion people.  Given the overall galactic population, the population of Alderaan was at the time a paltry .00000197% of the galactic populace. Let’s think of that destruction in terms of equivalent death of population here on earth.  Out of about 6.8 billion people on Earth, killing a proportional amount would equal, get this, 135 human lives.

Compared to another weapon of mass destruction, the atomic bomb, the Death Star pales in comparison.  The death toll at Nagasaki (which is considered to be conservative due to deaths from radiation, issues counting, etc) was estimated at 150,000. That means that America dropping that bomb—which keep in mind did kill civilians—was 1111 times more destructive (in scale) than the use of the Death Star.

Considering that the use of the Death Star was that “fear will keep them in line”, it makes sense that the Empire would have to demonstrate this power.  Even then, I doubt that the fear of the Death Star really motivated a ton of people.  It is, as far as weapons of mass destruction, pretty bad.  It takes forever to deploy (the time it took to orbit Yavin and get Yavin 4 in sight was enough for it to be destroyed), it is huge and slow-moving which makes it visible from very far away.  Most of all, it (probably) cost an absurd amount of money and even destroying a planet, is not the best way to go.  Orbital bombardment of a planet would be cheaper, easier and just as destructive.

Death Star

The Death Star, ultimate symbol of power and waste.

The Death Star is, more than anything, a symbol.  It is a symbol in the same way that the atomic bomb was.  It was the ace up the Empire’s sleeve, in that anybody who might want to perform terrorist acts would face the wrath of the Death Star.

Now, it’s easy to talk about this in a detached manner because Alderaan is a fictional planet.  Don’t get me wrong, extinguishing almost two billion lives with one shot is pretty terrible.   But when you consider that the demonstration was meant to keep rebellious planets in line—and there was no doubt that Alderaan was one of the rebellious planets—it was a small-scale demonstration of the power of the Death Star.  It can snub entire populations, but losing 2 billion people versus the scale of the galaxy is a footnote, not a tragedy.

Again, it’s easy to think this way because we are detached from it—as it is fiction—but consider again thatAmerica’s use of nuclear weapons exterminated way more of the known population than the Death Star.

Anyway, friends, that is it for this installment.  Look for the third installment where I look to skewer the Rebel Alliance in almost every way possible!

 

 

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#611846
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Do you think Grand Moff Tarkin survived the Death Star Explosion?
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adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

Tyrphanax said:

I mean that people think he's a shitty actor and nobody really cares how he looks.

Dont blame that on the actor himself, blame it on the lines/dialogue/acting script that Mr. George Georgey Toy-Boy Lucas gave him!!!!!!!

He is a crap actor and EVERY OTHER FILM HE HAS BEEN IN SINCE THE PREQUELS proves that. Looks do not make a good actor. You are so blinded by his looks you can't see past them to see just how crap he is. Nothing to do with crap script/ directing

even the claim that his acting is horrible/terrible/sucks/is cheesy is very subjective and biased against him as a person

don't blame him for what george lucas told him to say in the star wars prequels movies/films!!!!!!!!

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#611845
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Do you think Grand Moff Tarkin survived the Death Star Explosion?
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adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

adywan said:

I'm starting to realise that father Skywalker is actually a 12 year old girl, which would explain the immature posts and the fact that they thing that episode 3 is better than the OT. Puberty can do strange things to people ;)

OK, big deal, Im obsessed with hayden christensen's handsomeness and godlike good looks......

Well, you most certainly have a huge double standard, along with the rest of our society........

 

and what the hell is this so called double standard i am supposed to have? Please explain???????

OK, thank you for bringing that up. I'll will explain myself.

If a girl says that another girl is pretty (which is what they do all of the time-I aint trying to be sexist or sterotypical or anything like that-they are very commonly a little bit silly and superficial and obsessed with looking "pretty" and "wearing a lotta nice awesome nice looking  make up", a lot) most people would think nothing of it......

If a guy says that another guy is handsome or good looking, many other people would say "eww, stop judging men, stop judging other guys if they're good looking or not"........

BIG DOUBLE STANDARDS ARE GOING ON HERE!!!!!!!!!