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I think that the DOTF script was a better direction in the story to go…I wish we could read a more revised script because the one floating around needs alot of work in dialogue and some plot decisions. I’ve never seen a Colin Trevorrow movie that was filmed well or seemed like they had a good director present…so I think he probably would have delivered a weak looking SW film, even if the story beats sound better on paper. I also don’t know if we would have found DOTF satisfying as an end to that trilogy. It’s just a flawed tale right from the start with TFA. Something tells me if they still went with DOTF we would still be unsatisfied with the whole purpose of the ST and would have nitpicked it to death…then STILL come to the conclusion that the ST was all unplanned and riffed the entire time. And I have no evidence that Colin can make an epic movie work out.

But yeah, it’s a better script than TROS…by a long shot.

I just hope it’s not overlapping plans like they did with Mando in the BOBF. That was just a terrible idea no matter how you look at it. Not to mention Bobas behavior in his own show contradicted the way he acted in Mando season 2. They have practically ruined many story beats for the sake of cramming Mandos tale into the very weak BOBF. I guess I’m just pessimistic about it considering that crazy decision.

It’s pretty much being discussed in this thread…

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/why-i-love-prequel-yoda-and-what-i-think-people-get-wrong/id/80751

jedi_bendu said:

This series might be the single best piece of Star Wars media ever made and I’m not exaggerating.

I’ll stand by that, with Mando holding a distant 2nd place.

Well episode 10 was terrific! This show is just phenomenal on all scales of acting, writing and pacing. Sad there are only 2 episodes left but at least we have an epic season 2 to look forward to.

“I’m condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them.” (What a great line and delivery)

MalaStrana#2 said:

Still following it: I get what this series is trying to do, I see the efforts, just too bad it’s soooooooooo slow with no emotion (and a bit of a very lackluster casting, especially Diego Luna, totally uninteresting). I thought it was going full “Bourne” but it’s now closer to “Michael Clayton”… which is kinda off topic. It seems the series will only be 24 episodes spanned over 2 seasons: they better hurry to start telling a story (and not just close ups of sad people’s faces), there isn’t much time left already.

We are watching two different shows it seems. 🤔

StarkillerAG said:

Vladius said:

With that said, Andor is going for a different tone. But I don’t think it’s necessarily just “darker” like people are saying.

Yeah, agreed there. If I had to describe the tone of Andor in just one word, it would be “real”. Every element of the series seems carefully chosen to make the Star Wars universe seem as grounded and believable as possible: the writing is full of subtle world-building rather than on-the-nose exposition, the set design prioritizes real sets and location filming over CGI backgrounds whenever possible, and even the actors look more ordinary and less “Hollywood-ish”. After the ultra-cheesy space opera of pretty much every installment from TROS onwards, it’s really neat to have a series that shows what it would be like to actually live in the Star Wars universe.

Very well put.

I can’t get enough of this dialogue and acting. I could listen to the Imperials banter like that for hours.

RicOlie_2 said:

I just mean that you can’t qualify something a failure if a minority of people think it failed. It would be a failure objectively speaking if the people who liked it were in the minority.

I don’t think we have the numbers on that…so I wouldn’t go claiming those who considered it low quality were in the “minority”.

Guess you haven’t come across me or anyone I know has has watched the whole thing. I would go so far as to call it a Disappointing Failure from beginning to end.

Wasn’t Obi Wan aware of a Jedi Master Syfo Dias that “was killed nearly ten years ago”? Seems to be implied he was a known Jedi Master and not some random pseudonym for Sidious while he’s posing as a Jedi. Either way… convoluted, it is.

Peter Pan said:

An interesting read on the trilogy, maybe Palpatine could have picked up on his involvement with everything that has transpired in his conversation with Grievous.

Other than that I feel like the Jedi are too gullible throughout the movies to pose a threat to Palatines plans. In TPM Qui-Gon senses that there is more behind the Federation invasion but he doesn’t investigate and in AOTC does nobody investigate the mystery behind the creation of the clones. Only in ROTS do the Jedi start to suspect Palpatine after he placed Anakin on the council and thereby openly challenged the Jedi.
This makes the plot feel less like a tense game of chess and more like a GM taking on an amateur.

Yeah the Jedi just adopting the Clone Army without any questions is maybe the silliest character decision from the prequels. Even Master Yoda just takes them and jumps into combat with them within hours of finding out about their existence…very off beat for his type of character.

DrDre said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

Anchorhead said:

I’ve seen the 1979 original - several times in 79 in the theater and countless times in the decades since. I ubernerded it that year. Books, articles, etc. I still vividly remember my VHS of it just a few years later. I’ve listened to the soundtrack regularly since 79. Honestly, almost weekly, even now.
Because the original is a permanent Top Ten for me, there was never any chance I’d bother with a sequel. It’s a complete and finished story (for me).

You…seriously… have never watched The Empire Strikes Back this entire last 40 years???

He’s talking about never having watched Aliens after seeing Alien.

Ah…derp. I guess 1979 was my hint. (Slowly backs out)

Anchorhead said:

I’ve seen the 1979 original - several times in 79 in the theater and countless times in the decades since. I ubernerded it that year. Books, articles, etc. I still vividly remember my VHS of it just a few years later. I’ve listened to the soundtrack regularly since 79. Honestly, almost weekly, even now.
Because the original is a permanent Top Ten for me, there was never any chance I’d bother with a sequel. It’s a complete and finished story (for me).

You…seriously… have never watched The Empire Strikes Back this entire last 40 years???

I’m very much liking what I see…this looks like a solid Star Wars story presentation. Intriguing plot and outstanding visuals.

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BedeHistory731 said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

I’ll put my Saber on low power and leave this topic. You’re giving the adults headaches.

Well that’s a funny ragequit.

Your typical response also. 😁

yotsuya said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

yotsuya said:

Emre1601 said:

Yotsuya, when mental gymnastics, or going down the proverbial rabbit hole, are required to try to explain inconsistencies and stretches like those listed in the OP, it indicates there are indeed issues in the series.

I enjoyed Obi-Wan Kenobi overall; there was much to enjoy in it, but could not help but notice the many issues I listed in the opening post. For me, it affected my appreciation of the show, and gives me concern for future Star Wars content when there are so many noticeable issues in a much anticipated and high profile series. Though everyone’s “mileage may vary” on this, and am happy that many others did enjoy it, regardless of such issues.

It is partly why I look forward to new Star Wars content away from what has come before. With new characters, in new or rarely seen settings, and in new eras. As from a consistency point of view, it has been demonstrated time and time again there is a real problem with adhering to what was actually established in the Original Trilogy.

I don’t require any mental gymnastics. I kept checking off things that explained what had previously required mental gymnastics. But I didn’t see anything that made new ones.

You’ve been told that repeatedly by many people on this forum and you just get defensive and claim they are all incorrect. I think great many things go right over your head.

Stop thinking you live in a world where people can’t have different opinions and both be right. I’m not saying anyone is incorrect. I’m saying I don’t agree. What is going over your head is that I am stating my opinion. I found this series to solve more issues than it caused. I think a great deal of the issues listed here are nitpicking to a high order. That may be what some truly believe, but that is not my opinion and I don’t have to agree.

Dude you just disagree with ANY criticism. You just like to ramble exotic excuses (I’m sure you disagree). But when you claim “I see NOTHING wrong with this series or any of the films” it just makes you come across as a sycophant…meaning you would never notice a flaw even if it slapped you in the face. The odd arguments you keep typing out are just derailing and argumentative for the sake of it. And before you start getting insensitive about this post, I have to mention MANY people have tried to explain things to you and you choose to create silly excuses to pretend you have it all figured out and it’s perfect. I honestly don’t know why you post here sometimes.

I’ll put my Saber on low power and leave this topic. You’re giving the adults headaches.

yotsuya said:

Emre1601 said:

Yotsuya, when mental gymnastics, or going down the proverbial rabbit hole, are required to try to explain inconsistencies and stretches like those listed in the OP, it indicates there are indeed issues in the series.

I enjoyed Obi-Wan Kenobi overall; there was much to enjoy in it, but could not help but notice the many issues I listed in the opening post. For me, it affected my appreciation of the show, and gives me concern for future Star Wars content when there are so many noticeable issues in a much anticipated and high profile series. Though everyone’s “mileage may vary” on this, and am happy that many others did enjoy it, regardless of such issues.

It is partly why I look forward to new Star Wars content away from what has come before. With new characters, in new or rarely seen settings, and in new eras. As from a consistency point of view, it has been demonstrated time and time again there is a real problem with adhering to what was actually established in the Original Trilogy.

I don’t require any mental gymnastics. I kept checking off things that explained what had previously required mental gymnastics. But I didn’t see anything that made new ones.

You’ve been told that repeatedly by many people on this forum and you just get defensive and claim they are all incorrect. I think great many things go right over your head.

Kaweebo said:

Beyond the inconsistencies and contradictions with what we see later, the thing that kills me most with this series is the over-re-contextualization of the scene in Obi-Wan’s hut in the first movie. We’ve already got Obi-Wan “from a certain point of view”-ing the events of the prequel trilogy that subtext drips out of every word he says. It was perfect the way it was after RotJ and only bolstered by RotS.

But now not only is Obi-Wan lying about Anakin, here comes Leia who is ALSO lying about her experience with Obi-Wan and he also doesn’t tell Luke any of this for some reason, as well as the fact that Leia never brings this up later. So now, nearly every character is a liar in that movie except Luke, who may or may not have knowledge of what happened to him cause hey, guess what, he was attacked by an Inquisitor lady at 10 years old! Doesn’t that add so much??

After 45 years, nearly half a century, it just comes off as too much, too late. We shouldn’t STILL be pretending like there’s hidden secrets in ANH. Its story is complete, and the idea that the Disney writers were “adding context” to George’s work is just insulting.

Very well put, couldn’t agree more.🤷‍♂️

When three out of four people disagree it’s not “dogpiling”…you’re being too sensitive for a critical debate. It also doesn’t mean the argument must allow validation just because they keep making up silly excuses like “his Saber was on low power”. That’s not acceptable, it’s just making stuff up to constantly pretend you have proven yourself correct.

BedeHistory731 said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

BedeHistory731 said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

yotsuya said:

adywan said:

I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

I found the series to be well written with care given to filling in the gaps between the PT and OT. It fixed more than it broke and put a new spin on certain events. I found the acting to be superb, the sets to be what I’d expect, the backgrounds fitting, and everything assembled into a nicely finished series. I don’t know that I would change a thing about it, though I wouldn’t mind seeing a film edit of it. Something a little faster paced.

Good grief man…every time.

No need to rag on a guy for providing justifications. I’ve found his posts insightful, even if I disagree at times.

They want to love every bit of the product and combat any actual justified criticisms…stretching logic further. Not “ragging” on em…just blows me away how they can’t understand the flaws. It’s like constantly saying “No it’s super smart, you just don’t get it”.

They do understand the flaws that you see and have tried to explain them logically and soundly. If you feel like you’re being talked down to by them, or they’re acting like an idiot, that’s entirely on you. Can’t they have their own interpretation without people like you leaping down their throats?

I think you’re “blowing it out of proportion” now. If I don’t sense any “sound logic” like you claim then the discussion must continue. Chill out.

BedeHistory731 said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

yotsuya said:

adywan said:

I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

I found the series to be well written with care given to filling in the gaps between the PT and OT. It fixed more than it broke and put a new spin on certain events. I found the acting to be superb, the sets to be what I’d expect, the backgrounds fitting, and everything assembled into a nicely finished series. I don’t know that I would change a thing about it, though I wouldn’t mind seeing a film edit of it. Something a little faster paced.

Good grief man…every time.

No need to rag on a guy for providing justifications. I’ve found his posts insightful, even if I disagree at times.

They want to love every bit of the product and combat any actual justified criticisms…stretching logic further. Not “ragging” on em…just blows me away how they can’t understand the flaws. It’s like constantly saying “No it’s super smart, you just don’t get it”.

To me, the only good thing that could have come from this being a movie or a trilogy would be that they wouldn’t have hired a television director and they would have put WAY more attention to the budget and special effects. I’m not confident we would have gotten better writing or plot though. This being one gigantic young Leia adventure was the wrong way to go imo, just unnecessary.

yotsuya said:

adywan said:

I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.

Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

Approx 15 minutes later…

Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.

And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.

And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.

Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.

Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.

I found the series to be well written with care given to filling in the gaps between the PT and OT. It fixed more than it broke and put a new spin on certain events. I found the acting to be superb, the sets to be what I’d expect, the backgrounds fitting, and everything assembled into a nicely finished series. I don’t know that I would change a thing about it, though I wouldn’t mind seeing a film edit of it. Something a little faster paced.

Good grief man…every time.