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If this is all to make excuses for Ben not killing Vader in the Kenobi show…well it just seems like it’s getting ridiculous and over thinking what those writers couldn’t be bothered with…plus Obi-Wan has executed “lesser” villains and dark siders. It was Luke’s idea to try and be passive with his confrontation…that’s what makes Luke interesting, he knew a better path than Ben or Yoda would gamble with.

Why is this all being convoluted to make sense of a terribley written/cash grab tv show?

But what’s with the obsession with not taking out a mass murderer who destroyed the Jedi order and brought death and oppression to the galaxy?

“I can’t kill my own father” -Luke

“Then the Emperor has already won…you were our last hope” -Obi-Wan

WHY is this bit of dialog confusing and causing stretched out theories of “interpretation”?

Kaweebo said:

BedeHistory731 said:

I’d say we had it right in the post-PT years with the discrediting and any attempts at revisionism have been straight-up apologia.

Plinkett was right and continues to be more and more right (minus the cringey sketch bits and “dark humor” in the videos).

Well, except the part where he vouched for JJ Abrams to direct the Star Wars sequel trilogy :p

Not sure if he vouched for him being a co-writer.

yotsuya said:

Servii said:

“Star Wars was always poorly written” is an argument I really take issue with. If the original film were poorly written, none of us would even be here with our attachment to this franchise.

I think the dialog might be the part that was poorly written. It was full of odd technobabble that has led to several retcons. Like Kessel run in 12 parsecs.

I think the flow of the story was well done. It shows in the script and was improved in the editing room.

The dialog was partly saved because of a lot of redubbing.

and really, if you read Lucas’s writing and editing process, the original film was saved by Lucas getting a lot of input. and for TESB he turned to a very skilled writer. For the PT it was almost all on him and his flaws stand out more.

So what? Haha…just making excuses again. The flow of the story is one of the most insulting parts of the show…can’t blame just “dialog” alone. Every plot point of how people go from one thing to the next, one place to the other is ALL contrived in this show. And pointing fingers at how things needed extra help for sharpening in the past just disapproves your point further. Because OBVIOUSLY this script wasn’t gone over with a fine comb to flesh out the logistical details.

Most of us REALLY WANTED this show to be good…not too much to ask for considering you have another shot at making the prequel characters more interesting and better direction. And some fans just get excited seeing lightsabers and don’t notice anything else…yet they’re the first ones to get mad at any constructive criticism. Baffling.

“Obi-Wan kenobi haters”…that’s hilariously childish.

FrederikOlsen said:

Servii said:

“Star Wars was always poorly written” is an argument I really take issue with. If the original film were poorly written, none of us would even be here with our attachment to this franchise.

To be fair, assuming you refer to my post and the outrage it seems to have sparked, I never said Star Wars was poorly written. I said it’s not the most well-written franchise, and I stand by that. Lots of things were clearly made up on the go and the first film was more or less saved in editing.

There may not be anything as egregious as Reva’s inexplicable escape in the OT, but I’ll be damned if the Obi-Wan Kenobi haters would have accepted “from a certain point of view” or the passionate kiss between Luke and Leia followed by the revelation that they’re siblings and one party has “always known” if either of those happened in a current series or film franchise.

Misteps are not a “consistency” you have to keep…there’s no excuse to not do things better than what came before. It’s called learning from mistakes. Some fans act like if it hasn’t got a lot of “dumb” in it then it isn’t “Star Wars”. Just further making excuses for bad, amateur writing.

“There’s been stupid things before so we HAVE to keep making it stupid”.

Please.

FrederikOlsen said:

Servii said:

“Star Wars was always poorly written” is an argument I really take issue with. If the original film were poorly written, none of us would even be here with our attachment to this franchise.

To be fair, assuming you refer to my post and the outrage it seems to have sparked, I never said Star Wars was poorly written. I said it’s not the most well-written franchise, and I stand by that. Lots of things were clearly made up on the go and the first film was more or less saved in editing.

There may not be anything as egregious as Reva’s inexplicable escape in the OT, but I’ll be damned if the Obi-Wan Kenobi haters would have accepted “from a certain point of view” or the passionate kiss between Luke and Leia followed by the revelation that they’re siblings and one party has “always known” if either of those happened in a current series or film franchise.

Misteps are not a “consistency” you have to keep…there’s no excuse to not do things better than what came before. It’s called learning from mistakes. Some fans act like if it hasn’t got a lot of “dumb” in it then it isn’t “Star Wars”. Just further making excuses for bad, amateur writing.

“There’s been stupid things before so we HAVE to keep making it stupid”.

Please.

henzINNIT said:

MalaStrana#2 said:

FrederikOlsen said:
It’s never been a particularly well-written franchise, IMO.

ANH is considered one of the best scripts ever written. It’s still being studied in film school for ts achievements, thanks to Lucas rewitting it to perfect it numberous times. TESB is simply the continuation of this high quality standard rooted in the foundation of a perfect script. Only what came after wasn’t as good and was sometimes even quite terrible, such as this tv show.

The original Star Wars was saved in editing by cutting great chunks out of that script.

Regardless…

Matt.F said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

Matt.F said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

Anyway, I stand by my point that a Jedi executing a fallen foe would be completely out of character with the compassion and chivalry that is their code.

Yeah, it’s real chivalrous to get people’s kids to commit murder because you’re just too “compassionate” to carry through with it. Mace Windu was about to split Palpatine in two while he was mutilated on the floor yelling “No don’t!”. Obi-Wan cut Maul in half like a savage…and shot Greivous soo many times he exploded. There’s no “code” in leaving Vader alive in the show, it’s just irresponsible writing.

Yes, of course they kill their opponents in combat (Maul and Greivous). You’ll also remember that Mace had gone to arrest Palpatine - not execute him - before the situation suddenly went nuclear.

How does that change anything I stated? Obi-Wan and Vader were opposing combatants. Mace was trying to arrest with the intent to kill if necessary, you just can’t claim Jedi won’t finish off opponents because of their “chivalrous code”. There’s not even any evidence for it.

The whole saga is based around Anakin executing a fallen opponent and turning to the Dark Side, and Luke sparing a fallen opponent and becoming a true Jedi.

Even in this particular TV show we have this rather memorable line;

“Do you know the key to hunting a Jedi, friend? It is patience. Jedi cannot help what they are. Their compassion leaves a trail.”

Well I guess there’s no chance of getting you to understand your own contradiction.

Matt.F said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

Anyway, I stand by my point that a Jedi executing a fallen foe would be completely out of character with the compassion and chivalry that is their code.

Yeah, it’s real chivalrous to get people’s kids to commit murder because you’re just too “compassionate” to carry through with it. Mace Windu was about to split Palpatine in two while he was mutilated on the floor yelling “No don’t!”. Obi-Wan cut Maul in half like a savage…and shot Greivous soo many times he exploded. There’s no “code” in leaving Vader alive in the show, it’s just irresponsible writing.

Yes, of course they kill their opponents in combat (Maul and Greivous). You’ll also remember that Mace had gone to arrest Palpatine - not execute him - before the situation suddenly went nuclear.

How does that change anything I stated? Obi-Wan and Vader were opposing combatants. Mace was trying to arrest with the intent to kill if necessary, you just can’t claim Jedi won’t finish off opponents because of their “chivalrous code”. There’s not even any evidence for it.

Anyway, I stand by my point that a Jedi executing a fallen foe would be completely out of character with the compassion and chivalry that is their code.

Yeah, it’s real chivalrous to get people’s kids to commit murder because you’re just too “compassionate” to carry through with it. Mace Windu was about to split Palpatine in two while he was mutilated on the floor yelling “No don’t!”. Obi-Wan cut Maul in half like a savage…and shot Greivous soo many times he exploded. There’s no “code” in leaving Vader alive in the show, it’s just irresponsible writing.

Darth Malgus said:

What if the entire series is just a dream of Obi-Wan? So there are no contradictions with the OT.

I’m with this…👍👍

fmalover said:

I’ve decided this series didn’t generate enough interest for me to check it out.

It’s supposedly garnering soo much praise I have lost hope in the fan base even caring about SW being presented with care and quality…which OF COURSE it should. People want a “season 2” from this and not because they want to see a better attempt…but because they want MORE of what we got.

For some reason I love this IP soo much that I actually still hold out hope for Andor to be very good, and maybe I still hold out hope for Filoni live action…not perfect but better than what we’ve had for the last two SW series. To me, TBOBF was extremely mediocre in writing and execution…but Kenobi went above and beyond having common sense. Faverou is now a bit iffy to me because he wrote a majority of TBOBF. Does anyone remember Mandalorian? Haha…wow that was good and fun.

timdiggerm said:

What on earth was going on with the spaceship movements? That was awful

Haha, to some it was “incredible and harkened to the opening of ANH …awesome poetry!”

And I just don’t get it. To me, there was no care brought to any aspect of the story and visuals. This should have been their chance of committing excellence to such a bold idea. I fear for the future of SW…people are praising this show up and down.

BedeHistory731 said:

Anybody mind if I offer a joint to anybody who feels they need it after reading this thread? I’m not a good roller, but I’m trying.

I’m on my way!

Bridger12 said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

Bridger12 said:

I just wish the fanbase wasn’t so passionate and entitled all the time, because that’s the mentality of the Sith.

What?

The Sith rely on their passion for their strength. They think inwards, only about themselves.

That mentality is what led to people actually coming up with a campaign to remake The Last Jedi.

Haha…ok. 👍

Bridger12 said:

I just wish the fanbase wasn’t so passionate and entitled all the time, because that’s the mentality of the Sith.

What?

Bridger12 said:

One thing I’ve noticed with modern Star Wars opinions among the fan base is that for the most part, if a show or movie stars characters from the mainline Skywalker Saga, then it’s bad. If it doesn’t, and only has them in cameos, then it’s good.

That’s completely incorrect. Legacy characters have just proven to be the main thing that new Lucasfilm cannot do justice with…they don’t get it and they are arguably damaging the intelligence or subtle uniqueness of the characters that we’ve already known for years. I didn’t go into Kenobi thinking it will be “bad” because it’s a Skywalker Saga character…but low and behold, they dropped the ball completely imo. 4/10. And I really wanted to love this, it was my hope after seeing Boba ruined in TBOBF.

I mean, some people may “auto-hate” when they know a legacy character will show up, but it’s not this black and white situation in the fan base.

MalaStrana#2 said:

Well, it was very bad. The entire show is very bad. Trying to shoehorn everything (popular memes included) in the last few minutes is just insulting.

So to sum up:

• not a compelling story
• absence of any sense of typical Star Wars grandeur
• generic music
• bad acting
• awful storytelling (nothing makes sense)
• lackluster special effets
• bland sets
• damaged continuity
• etc.

I wonder if it might be the worst thing that ever happened in Star Wars canon.

From now on I’ll just stick to Lucas canon with a few things (« Rebels » season 1&2) included. The rest can go to the trash.

Oh man, I have to agree entirely. We didn’t want this to be soo bad…but alas. Worst thing to happen to SW is right. Now everyone applauding everything about it have just condoned and validated the most mediocre form of SW we could have ever believed. Disney don’t have to pat themselves on the back this time since soo many people turned off their brains and called this “perfect” or “The Best Star Wars EVER”. Laughable. Get ready for more crap everyone, the people have decided to be content with it.

Still no reasoning for why Qui Gon was not contacting him for 10 years. All that hype people had over Liam Neeson possibly showing up and having a far out lesson on the Force with ObiWan…or helping him come to grips with what went down in ROTS or Obi-Wan wanting to know why Quigon went with Anakin in the first place…considering the whole aftermath could be blamed on QuiGon.

So they got Liam back and all dressed up just to be hanging out in a desert field, make a corny joke, then cut to credits. Good grief.

Bridger12 said:

Channel72 said:

There’s so much logistical hand-waving about how characters get from Point A to Point B in this show. How did Reva get to Tatooine?

Easy. She flew there.

But how? With what transport? And how so lightening fast while Vader JUST left her to pursue Kenobi and gang? You could have argued that opening scene of her asking for Owen could have happened weeks or months after her being nearly stabbed to death and needing to recuperate.

More moronic writing and lost potential. I give this episode a 4/10. The whole show, for me, was just massively disappointing. Turn off your brain all the way and you might find it to be entertaining…wobbly cam gets some people excited hah. “Good storytelling” ,from what I could notice, only came from some other SW story property that this show blatantly ripped off.

“Patience” is something Disney needs to understand with Lucasfilm…not that long time fans need to calm down. We just want good/we’ll written scripts and not to have EVERYTHING hinge on the “Imperial turned good guy” trope that they absolutely keep regurgitating. They have soo many projects going on simultaneously that I can’t believe anyone is still holding out “patient” hope that they’re going to give you great adaptations of different eras, new characters or classic characters. The track record just proves otherwise.

Keep hoping though. “Rebellions are built on hope”.

You don’t speak for me.

Then I guess you already got what you wanted. 😁

If they decide to continue the show to another “season” with Deborah Chow and the same/random writers…then we don’t want this show, haha. We, apparently, are always going to come up with better story ideas because we are not Disney shills with agendas and misunderstanding of the rules of the SW galaxy. This show and TBOBF have proven that they often have very little clue about how to construct SW stories properly or with care. Everyone here has suggested terrific stories for another season that fit better with the universe and the Kenobi character…don’t count on this company doing anything remotely close to that quality.

To campaign for a second season, to them, would be rewarding their mediocre attempts and encouraging more.