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He also played The Joker in the web production "Batman: Dead End".

It's on YouTube.

(CNN) -- Actor Andrew Koenig, who had been missing since February 14, committed suicide, his father told reporters after his son's body was found Thursday in a park in Vancouver, British Columbia.

"My son took his own life," Walter Koenig said at a news conference in the park.

My thoughts are with his family and friends at this sad time.

May Andrew find the peace that he did not find on earth in the experience beyond life.

I have the old Windows 95 PC version of the Next Gen technical manual and episode guide with her voice, I'll see what I can import from that, but it will take a few days out of my editing. Once I start delving into my old collections I get hung up with reminiscing with it.  I also need to start listening to some of the Trek related audio books with the TOS actors. I'm sure there must be some great moments of spoken word that can be used.  One thing about Trek is that it is so rich with this type of source material.   

doubleofive said:

FanFiltration said:

Sound effects, I need some... Can anyone help?

I need bridge sound effects from the films. Anyone know where these can be found? I have the T.V. effects CD...

Sorry, I only have the TV effects CD as well.  Is there no dead silent scene in this movie on the bridge you can't replicate the sound out of?

I found it!  It's on the "Generations" Soundtrack. I forgot all about this disk.

Track 16: Enterprise B Bridge. 

I tried to import isolated sounds from the film, but there is some really bad background hiss on this film. When I try to overlap sustained background effect sounds (atmosphere), the hiss is very noticeable. I want the sound to be excellent, so taking sounds off a digital cd is best. If I try and mix the old T.V. bridge with the Enterprise B effects, that may be interesting.

Sound effects, I need some... Can anyone help?

I need bridge sound effects from the films. Anyone know where these can be found? I have the T.V. effects CD...

doubleofive said:

So, are you going to be sourcing the final edit from the blu-ray, or just elements? For some reason it looks like the coloring is better on the blu...

I would if the version on Blu-ray was the director's cut. I want most of the director's cut effect changes in this edit. The Vulcan and San Francisco shots, The first attacks by V'ger, The Wormhole, The walk over to V'ger, The V'ger CGI fly-by, and stuff like that. Yes, I had to put  the wormhole scene back in due to impassable story continuity problems. I had to have Decker and Kirk have that conflict with the phaser order, and then half of the scene in Kirk's quarters. It's just way too important. The wormhole and quarters scene is cut down a great deal to make them move along faster, yet they still convey the important plot points, and character interaction.  The entire segment with the Vulcan warp shuttle is removed at this point. Spock enters the bridge to the shock of everyone just before the ship leaves drydock. With the dialog I put in place just before this shot, it comes across as if Spock was in the last group of crew to beam aboard.  The pajama party on the rec deck is out.  I re-edited the footage of the Epsilon-9 transmissions, and then I just superimposed the rec-deck view screen images on to the bridge view screen. I took reaction shots of the bridge crew from the scenes I am cutting on the travel into V'ger. You guys would not believe how well this worked out. 

Hey guys,

I'm looking at all this stuff you posted today and I am impressed.

My friend and I have to agree about the main titles being a bit too much like Next Gen. We are truly blown away by the amazing effort and respect the idea. Last night I was working on the main title sequence, and for now, I am just using the theatrical title cards inter-cut with the footage of the enterprise being prepared for launch.  You guys can just replace the title cards later. It may be best if we hold off on importing the blu-ray source until the final end phase of this project. We should all preview the edit, and then all suggest how to tweak it and with what footage/shots from Blu-ray footage.

At this time, I'm living on the west coast (San Francisco). The time of day that I work on the edit is usually between  5 pm - 3 am Pacific Standard Time on weekdays.  I never know what I will be up to on weekends.

I did a huge amount of editing last night on some key scenes. I've got to tell you that I am quite excited about what I have come up with so far. I will post more info soon. I am so tired...

Warbler said:

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"Oh, Thank You! Now I just need to find a scrap of paper. I just saw Richard Dean Anderson over there, and I want to score his autograph!"

*FanFiltration runs off down the beach... 

*FanFiltration comes running out from behind some wreckage screaming at the top of his lungs*

"A Pen! A Pen! Does anybody have a pen?

Please help, I need a pen!"

Welcome to the party cwg46and2! Thanks for your offer to help with footage.

Guys, think it would be cool to have the Klingons from Star Trek V shoot voyager and knock it into a black hole at the start of the film.  Just joking! ;-)

I'll try to get a work-print done by this Sunday.

You guys seem to have a great handle on the visual changes. Blue deflector sounds like a good idea. We just need to make sure that the shots you want adjusted will even be in this edit after we chop this sucker up.   At the moment, I have just been working on the films pacing with all these major scene and trim cuts I have been considering.  I am starting to worry about the last 3rd of the film not being much different from all the others versions out now. The film just fizzles out.

Wow, this whole thing with Walter Koenig's son Andrew Koenig missing is making working on this edit kind of depressing at the moment. I hope this event has a positive outcome. Seeing Walter so upset on the T.V. tonight  was just heartbreaking. For any parent to have to go through this, is just horrible.

FF

Just found this on IMDB.

 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077594/alternateversions

...features a 127 min cut of the film featuring:

• A large majority of Bruce Lee's original footage not used in the official release. This is most notable in the final three fights as there is now dialog between Billy Lo and Pasqual as well as with Hakim. The final three fights added up to only 10 minutes in the 1978 release, but the combined length of the fights in this cut is 25 minutes.
• The greenhouse fight in the Hong Kong version is also in this cut along with an extended scene before the fight in which Billy Lo is training on his outdoor balcony as he hears banging noises from the other room. This is actually footage from Meng Long Guojiang with new sound effects added. Also, when Billy comes back to his apartment after the fight, he finds a note reading "Have you two made out your wills?" along with a phone call from Dr. Land in which all he says is "You bastard!" with a follow up villainous laugh.
• The opening theme is replaced with an updated version of the Game of Death theme originally created for the Japanese film Bruce Lee in G.O.D.
• The infamous "cardboard cutout head" shot shown in all other versions has been replaced with a close up shot of Bruce Lee from Jing Wu Men.
• The even more infamous shot of the real corpse of Bruce Lee from his actual funeral has been replaced with a horizontally flipped shot of the outside of the funeral parlor with all of the fans standing outside.
• All of the fake Bruce Lee yells have been replaced with real yells from stock audio.
• The film's ending is an extension of the Hong Kong ending in which Billy Lo is arrested. However, the scene inter-cuts with Billy Lo (from the original Bruce Lee footage) walking back down the stairways of the Red Pepper Restaurant complex ending with him yelling out to the police in Cantonese "Help me!" One officer looks up and replies "Hurry down!" The scene ends with Billy Lo being taken away by the police, then fading to a tracking shot revealing the yellow and black tracksuit laying over top of a chair in an editing room and a narrator reading from Lee's Tao of Jeet Kune Do discussing "The Void".
• The film also ends with a large number of bloopers and outtakes from Bruce Lee's original Game of Death footage.

I have not seen the compilation described above, but sounds just like the Game of Death project you are working on.

TV's Frink said:

burns luciano said:

if u can upload bruce lee in G.O.D. and bruce lee the man the myth.

OT.com faq said:

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I don't think you're supposed to be downloading things you can buy:

http://www.amazon.com/Bruce-Lee-Man-Myth-Li/dp/B00005UM3K

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FF

This is what I have and can contribute that may be of some use.

1) Fan made compilation DVD-R  of official Bruce Lee directed and shot Game of Death fight out-takes from the Game of Death pagoda fight scenes. I don't remember any of this having original audio, just some music put on by a fan. It has footage not seen on any of the other disks below. These are all aborted takes.

2) Hong Kong Legends Box Set (PAL Region 2); This has all 4 of the Bruce Lee Golden Harvest produced Hong Kong films in great quality. It includes the 2 disc edition of "Game of Death". As an extra, it includes 15 minutes of the edited pagoda fight scene from 1972, 5 deleted scenes from the 1978 film, and some making of documentaries. ("Enter the Dragon" is not on this set, and it was produced by both Golden Harvest and Wanner Brothers. And so that title alone is handled under different distribution contracts.

3) Bruce Lee in G.O.D. (PAL Region 2)

4) Documentary: Biography:Bruce Lee The Immortal Dragon

5) Documentary: Bruce Lee The Man... The Myth I think this is the one with lots of footage of news footage of the funeral.

6) Goodbye Bruce Lee (His Last Game of Death) I believe this is the original post-death exploitation movie (released in 1975) built around Game of Death footage. It predates the official Golden Harvest 1978 Game of Death reconstruction, and stars Bruce Li. Like the 1978 movie, it's story has very little to do with what Bruce Lee had planned out for his aborted version.

7) Bruce Lee, The Lost Interviews

8) Game of Death Two (PAL Region 2) This film has very little to do with the original Game of Death beyond the title. Yet, is a very good movie with enjoyable commentary track.

9) Bruce Lee, a Warrior's Journey This is the holy grail of footage and background into Game of Death. This documentary has the pagoda fight footage with different music. Very good background on Game of Death and what lead up to the making, and tragic end of the Game of Death project, and Brice Lee. His wife had lots of input on this. It's also the most watched Bruce Lee title in my collection next to "Enter the Dragon". 

10) "Enter the Dragon" (2-disk Special Edition) This also includes Bruce Lee, a Warrior's Journey as a bonus extra. 

11) "Enter the Dragon" Soundtrack CD. You may need this for music.

12) Documentary: The Legend Lives On. 

I also have an mpg file of the infamous G.O.D. storyline video/movie. this title should not to be confused with "Bruce Lee in G.O.D.".

Johnny Ringo said:

You guys are making me want to watch The Motion Picture.

At the end of the day my hopes for this project is a version of the film that i personally find enjoyable, and it seems to be headed that way.

just Re: stuff that i've posted - it's all just ideas really, i'm not setting anything in stone or demanding anything.

I actually do appreciate what they managed to put together with the Director's edition but it doesn't make the movie more enjoyable to me.

There might be better footage elsewhere for Klingon ships and whatnot but I instantly thought of that scene from enterprise. I'd like to try mixing those shots with the interior shots and see how things look - but if someone comes up with something else in the meantime, that's cool too.

Re: the window in the briefing room, i like the idea and i've been thinking along those lines. Pretty sure there's a lot of briefing room scenes scattered throughout the run of enterprise, and i seem to recall some DS9 eps where they were at starfleet headquarters [Sisko and Odo?]...

one thing is fore sure - trekcore.com is one damn awesome resource.

oh yeah, can we brainstorm on ways to include some more aliens throughout the film?

 

 

 

 

Please take a crack at that scene with the Klingon ship.

I'm not up on my Voyager, but there is a view of San Francisco from Harry Kim's apartment window at this webpage. Look here, they will not let me hot-link the photos. http://ditl.org/index.php?daymain=/pagarchitecture.php?A

doubleofive said:

Bingowings said:

If TMP is to match up more with the OS another big problem is the shuttle bay which is much bigger than the one in the OS (it seems to take up almost all of the ship under the saucer and is on a totally different scale).

It doesn't match up to the more true to the OS shuttle bay we see in TFF (perhaps it may be possible to take the design ethos and colour scheme of TMP and overlay it onto the shuttle bay from TFF).

One matte, easily replaced or eliminated completely!  Unless I'm not remembering clearly and there's another shot of it.

The actual shuttle bay is not that much bigger. What you are seeing when Kirk enters the ship in The Motion Picture is not just the Shuttle bay. You are seeing most of the lower back half of the ship with all the inner bulkhead separation doors open for cargo loading. In the first image below you can see the shuttle bay from the original series. Under it the Shuttle Bay, and behind are areas of the ship we have never seen before. Some of that area may be the engine room as seen in TOS. 

Now below is the re-fit enterprise cut-away. The actual Shuttle Bay area (as seen in Star Trek V) is within the red box I drew. In Star trek V, there is a bulkhead door in the back of the bay that is in the down position, so we can't see the areas behind it like we can in here in The Motion Picture.  The area within the blue is where Kirk and Scotty enter the Enterprise from the travel Pod. You can see that looking back from Kirk's (and our) visual perspective on that entry point platform, we are see a huge amount of the lower back section of the secondary hull, not just the Shuttle Bay. 

Again I placed the area of the shuttle bay seen in Star trek V, and what was upgraded from the Original series within a red box. All the other ares we see are for shuttle storage and cargo.

When the bulkhead door  is up it lets transports enter right into the back cargo area. This info is confirmed in Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise.

You can also see the shuttle storage in the photo below, that is located under the Shuttle Bay.

I just want to say that these are shots I always liked in the film. They give you a feeling that this is a huge ship getting ready. The shot is fast and does not linger to long. It is on of the few shots that are interesting and welcome IMHO. 

I say we re-fit the sucker from top to bottom if possible (even if it takes 18 months). If we rush it, it will look that way. But I am willing to put my heart into this. It's something I always wanted to do, and as I was doing the Special Longer Version I kept having ideas for a new version. This needs to be radically different then the directors vision. The core story will have to be left much the same, but how we get that plot told is open for any creative changes. I have yet to see the Adywan versions, but from what I have read about them, that is the direction I think we should take.  I just got some new software (Adobe CS4), and would like to train up on it with this project. My friend is all up for doing some radical effects too. We don't want campy or jarring, we want classy and respectful.

Johnny Ringo said:

I don't propose to swap out footage based on looks alone - not using original footage at the start means that there is more to work with later for the the proposed attack scene without repeating visuals.

I fully agree with that statement.

We need the story to flow like an original series episode as much as possible. The Motion Picture takes it's self far too seriously, and that is just not Star Trek. Even the original series pilots had little jokes here and there.

If you look very very deep, there are some light and funny moments in the film. It's just that they are so over shadowed by the monotony. We need to cut the lingering moments of the movie, and use our talents to bring the film more in line with what comes in the next five films. Changing the lighting in the transporter room is right on the money. That kind of change makes such a big impact. The Vulcan shots are very impressive, but remember Vulcan has no moons. Or are they other planets in the same solar system? The original theatrical shots on Vulcan never made any astrological sense to me, nor my friend. If Something that huge was so close to Vulcan,  Vulcan would be it's moon right? I love the beuaty of the shots, just not the science or how it violates information established in historical cannon. In one of the original episodes, Spock says something like "Vulcan has no moon"...

About the Klingon ship at the start. I like the idea of using an updated ship from the series if it looks good. Just need to let you know what I am planing for that scene so we keep continuity with our work. 

So far I have been working on two main ideas for the opening.  

Footage of the Klingons seen on the Epsilon-9 station monitors will be used from the Theatrical cut (This version has the computer audio translation about the battle cruiser Amar continuing to attack...), as well as using the directors cut. The directors cut footage without audio translation will be used on the epsilon 9 monitors, and the theatrical version will be seen by kirk on Earth. One version may have Kirk see the first V'ger Klingon attack on the huge view screen with a crowd at Star Fleet, or he may be alone looking at a monitor. I am not sure what will work out best, so I am doing it both ways.

The above Star Fleet HQ shot from ST-IV is being incorporated, we are changing how the white shuttle looks that is flying over the HQ in that shot. We are trying to match it to the air tram shuttle entering the station in TMP. It's hard to explained.  You first see the shuttle fling next to the bridge, then the HQ shot from ST-IV (shuttle flight angle adjusted), then cut to shuttle entering tram station, Kirk exits shuttle and we cut just before he sees Commander Sonak. 

Kirk could be looking at the briefing footage of the Klingon vs. V'ger attack from this building seen in Voyager. We would need to make it day time, and maybe able to place a few flying things in the background.

I'll try to post some demo work soon. It will be very VERY rough, but will give you an idea of where we can go. No use in concentrating on perfection yet, as we need to brainstorm as much as possible at this stage and comb the entire film for tweaks again and again. If I get too focused or hung up on one segment at thins point, I will forget or skip other small details in other parts of the film. The best thing is just to keep posting ideas, any ideas, right here, so we have a record of all these great ideas to refer back to later.

doubleofive said:

I decided this morning what my ultimate goal with this is: to have my dad enjoy this edit.  My dad loves Star Trek, but hates TMP.  I've tried to tell him that the DE fixes a lot of the boredom problem, but I don't think I've convinced him.  I'd love to take this edit to his house and be able to say that I helped make an edit I knew he'd enjoy.

Right on!

Nice! I like the changes to the transporter shots Johnny Ringo, and also that catch on the continuity error on the jackets. Never seen that myself.  As for the view screen work, I am going to have a look at that scene later today, and see what me and my buddy can come up with. Thanks for all the good ideas on how to fix that view screen Silverwook. I remember that book! Back in the day, I could only afford one book and got the Star Trek: Spaceflight Chronology and not that graphics book decal book. Bingowings, that rec deck is looking great! I'm very excited about this being a OT group edit!!!

If you don't get this one, you need to be slimed!

You have had to see this to know how bad it was.

Did we need a even more animated Mr. T?

"Stay in school fool!"

The worst cartoon character EVER!