Good breakdown of the GOUT. It might be a good idea to find a way to define that term earlier in the piece, since it could be confusing for those who don't know what a medical condition has to do with Star Wars.
And I noticed in the numbered paragraphs that describe the GOUT's problems, there are 2 number sixes.
bobgarcia74 said:
**update** ok just looked over the footage taken out, there's a good shot in which to light up a second saber, but this shot also only lasts for about 3 seconds. I'll try it with this shot and see what it looks like. I might not get to it tonight tho
Bob, are you still looking into working this out, or was it not worth it?
Lucas knows the original versions are the golden goose. He has a history of denying Star Wars, only to later deliver. I think he's saving them for when he really needs the money.
zombie, I don't think posting full audio mixes is a good idea. I recommend just clips that show the differences.
There's a site that has many of these clips already: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/russdawson/mono/
Maybe you can just link to this, or possibly get permission to host the files on your server.
Bob, I checked out your Mustafar duel clip, and it's pretty tight - and good, of course. I can see how it might be hard to squeeze in the double-saber idea.
Baronlando said:
(semi-related: he says he's arranged it so that no one else can make sequels.)
As long as Lucas is included in "no one else", that's fine with me.
Oh, I thought you were talking about when he sneaks on the ship on Coruscant.
Are we sure he's not suggesting that we'll only get a decent OOT release after Lucas passes away?
OK. Lots to reply to here.
First off, let me just point out that Anakin's saber in ROTS is actually slightly different from Luke's in ANH. (Thanks for the continuity, Lucas!) If you're looking to insert a shot of the saber somewhere, it would be better to use a pic of the ROTS one done by Master Replicas. Although Luke's ANH saber could be used in a pinch.
bobgarcia74 said:
I wonder if the Saber given to Luke really needs to be his fathers? Does it change anything?
I suppose it doesn't have to be his father's. But for me that's taking something special out of the movie. I'd much rather you find a way to have Obi Wan find the blue saber somewhere. (And I'm not a big fan of the concept of sabers changing color depending on the force user. Sith eyes are bad enough, we don't need Sith sabers too!)
bobgarcia74 said:
Ill be watching the scene of Anakin talking to padme before he heads out to Mustafar. Maybe a "hold this for me until I return" shot of him handing her the saber can be worked out.
If it can be done, Ill move onto Obi talking to Padme looking for a good way to have Obi get ahold of it. Maybe she has it in here lap and she's thinking about Anakin toward the end of that scene. After Obi cuts out she looks down again, and the saber is gone. Obi (the sneaky) wan
That's not bad. I guess I could live with that. But I have to save I'm very partial to my idea of Anakin using 2 sabers when he tries to jump over Obi-Wan, with Obi Wan then retrieving the blue one. What did you think of that idea? Do you think it's technically possible?
Coov said:
Bob, notice Obi has two sabers as he goes aboard the ship. One holstered, the other in his hand. Don't know if that has already been addressed.
Really? I've never noticed that. To be honest, how can you see? He's such a small blur when he hops on Padme's ship.
hillbilly said:
one more thing - is the grevious fight at the beginning necessary...cant we just have the killing of Dookoo and kept the grevious fight for Obi wan later in the film....just a thought
thanks for listening
Welcome, hillbilly! I agree that the Grievous fight is unnecessary. TheCutter is also working on an edit of Episode III where he totally removes that fight. I highly recommend you check out his clip of that.
Thanks for the kind words. That's much more scrutiny on the text than I expected. Maybe I should do a version 2.
Well, in my opinion when Luke receives his father's lightsaber, that's a REALLY BIG moment in the movie. It symbolizes Luke's connection to his father and picking up where his father left off. So I think there should be an equivalent moment in ROTS when Obi Wan gets it. At the least, we should SEE him get it.
I don't think this is one of those overexplaining traps that Lucas often falls into.
That would nicely tie up the issue of "your father wanted you to have this".
But I think it might require more work (probably shooting new footage) to pull off.
Relevant to this topic, a couple of years ago I created a cover for an alternate-universe release of the Star Wars DVD. In this alternate universe, Star Wars was a flop, but it received a superb restoration for its 30th anniversary.
Click here for the thread.
Here's a thought:
If Sidious gives Anakin his new Sith saber, maybe we can assume Anakin just keeps both. But the old blue one stays out of sight until the very end of the Mustafar battle.
Right before Anakin says "you underestimate my power", there's a wide shot of him standing on the floating platform. If you reverse the sequence of these 2 shots, in the wide shot you can then add an ignition of his blue saber in his left hand - so he'll have a saber in each hand. He'll make the jump with both sabers and will drop both when Obi Wan cuts him down. When Obi Wan picks up the blue saber, you can even rotoscope in the red saber sitting nearby. (Maybe that can be a symbol of Obi Wan clinging to the good side of Anakin while rejecting the bad).
You mean, like a fan edit?
OK. I'm getting confused by all the saber switcheroo.
The saber you've shown in Palpatine's desk is Vader's black & silver saber. This is a different saber from Anakin's silver saber that is later given to Luke (which Anakin has just used to lop off Windu's arm).
So if you're fixing this in ANH, that implies to me that Luke will receive the black & silver saber. But he obviously receives the silver one. So, yeah, I'm confused.
Yeah. A local theater chain (Movie Tavern) recently had a summer program of classic films. Each week they'd play a different one: Jaws, ET, Ghostbusters, Raiders of the Lost Ark, etc. Star Wars was conspicuously absent, but it would have fit right in with the program. It's a shame - Star Wars has been cursed by its success.
This is an interesting concept. I agree that a closeup of some kind would help make clear what this is. With a good closeup, I don't think it's necessary to even have the saber ignite. Would it be that hard to have someone place a Vader saber in a red illuminated box and shoot a small movie of it?
I admit I haven't been following this thread as much as I should, so forgive my question if it's redundant. But how does Obi Wan get Anakin's blue saber if he's using his red one in the final battle?
I recently rented Crystal Skull, since my son's been on an Indiana Jones kick lately. I only saw it once when it came out, and I was able to enjoy it on some level, in spite of some really bad parts. My son liked it quite a bit.
THE GOOD: Cate Blanchett is always a treat in my book. The Russians are a worthy adversary, and the crystal skull is a great macguffin. The return of Marion was a good way to tie into the earlier movies, and they have some good repartee between them. The chase in the jungle between the boat-jeep things and trucks had some good action and was pretty well paced.
THE BAD (as if I need to repeat what many others have said before): Ford was too old, and so many of the fight scenes border on unbelievable. The ridiculousness of the fridge cannot be underestimated (are there fan edits that remove this?)
For me, the series took a turn for the worse with Crusade, which had too much of the inappropriate light-hearted humor that Lucas has become known for.
Harmy,
Thank you! After fighting with my computer for a whole day, I was finally able to apply your ROTJ audio fix, and I spent about 30 minutes checking out the AVCHD. From what I've seen, outstanding! This will be THE version of the movie I watch. Thanks for doing this and for saving me the torture of Jedi Rocks!
I'll try to find time to watch the whole thing in the next week or so. But one thing I did notice: Why did you use yellow subtitles instead of white?
And did you ever make the SD version of this that you mentioned earlier in this thread? I'd love a NTSC DVD for my SD TVs. (or can I convert the AVCHD myself?)
I haven't downloaded ANH or ESB yet, since I'm not sure if they're despecialized enough for me. For ESB, it looks like you reverted back to the SE a few times (like during Lando's evacuation announcement) instead of using Adywan's Theatrical Reconstruction for those bits. I understand your feelings on the matter, and less than stellar video for those shots. But I ask you to reconsider if you decide to do 3.0 of Empire. For me, a little bit of blur is preferable to the SE.
Same thing with ANH. The CGI is too distracting for me, and I'd prefer to see more GOUT footage used. And when you decided to do 2.0, I think you should have left in some of Adywan's Revisited footage (like the imperial getting shot in the chest, the Mos Eisley stormtrooper checkpoint, etc).
Would you consider making a "test AVCHD" that has some of the more horrendous GOUT footage upscaled and integrated into the HD footage? Like the whole Mos Eisley part up until the cantina? Or the Bespin footage restored from Adywan's reconstruction? If you're open to the possibility of further changes, this test disc would be a great way for us to see how bad it would really look and if it was something that a lot of people wanted. Like I said, I'd prefer some blur now and then over the CGI of the SE, which really just takes me out of the movies.
Thanks for all your efforts!
When I saw ROTJ in 83, I was 11 years old. To me it was the best of the movies at the time. It was only until the early 90s when I started to realize what a mixed bag it was.
I have the original children's book called The Mixed Up Droid. It's a goofy story book from the late 70s. I'm assuming the audio book is based on it.
Good points.
I just had a thought about that new clip. How do Obi Wan and Anakin know that Zam sent the killer worms? And unless they spot her get in her speeder, how do they know which she's in?
Or will you go straight from this clip to the part where the speeder stops and Anakin jumps off?
Brilliant!