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Juno Eclipse said:

Where did you hear she was contracted to do a “2nd draft and a polish”?

Gary Kurtz and Lawrence Kasdan both said at different times. Kurtz in Starlog before they started shooting Empire in 1978 or near to that. And Kasdan when he was promoting his documentary last year or the year before.

There is some mention of it this thread from 2010 here: Leigh Brackett’s first draft of Empire

I think Gary Kurtz also mentioned in in a much later video interview he did, and also in a book, “Secrets Of The Force”.

darklordoftech said:

I wish they made a comic adaptation of this draft like they did of the rough draft of ANH (“The Star Wars”).

I agree, it would be an engaging read.
 

It is such a pity we did not get to her 2nd draft and a polish, that she was contracted to do for the Empire script. Before the cancer took her, just weeks after she turned that first draft in to George.

Though not a powerful Force ability, it would be cool to see onscreen why Force users do not or cannot use the force on their opponents lightsaber, or breathing mask in Vader’s case?

The ability to turn off an opponent’s lightaber off with the Force, or alter the settings on Vader’s chest plate, or anyone else using a breathing mask, would be interesting to see explained.

Maybe some sort of “Force Protect” power is used in combat between the Force users?

I thought DarthAngelus was going to do a movie version of this, compile his chapters into a feature length project?

It is still very cool what he doing, and how far he has done so far!
 

Edit: stupid me could not find the movie length HTTE video on his channel. I wasn’t looking in the right place:
 

Star Wars: Heir to the Empire - Part One

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC9fYUDQ6CM - 1 hour and 50 minute video at the DarthAngelus YouTube channel.

Like jedi_bendu, I didn’t want Yoda to have fight with a lightsaber. Certainly not like he did against Dooku and Palpatine, with all that spinning. He looked like a yo-yo!

I do like the idea that nearly all the Jedi have the “basic” Force skills, the more “advanced” skills are only available to certain Jedi; through their experiences, their natural talents, their studious nature of the Force, and the challenges and patience of achieving that. Not some midichlorian count either!

I do like Juno’s “Force Meld/Network” idea, that does seem unusual, but also a curious Force power to have.

The “Wall Of Light” used by light side users to imprison or trap another force user seems an intriguing idea. One I’d like to see on screen. Maybe in Dawn of the Jedi, or similar film or series set years ago.

Superweapon VII said:

jedi_bendu said:

For example, “Some say Luke, Han and Leia fought many more years to end the Empire, before a destructive alien force invaded and Leia’s children became the future of the galaxy. Some say the Empire rose again, and a girl called Rey, the granddaughter of Palpatine, rose to become a Jedi and right the wrongs of her grandfh ather.”

“And some say the Clone Wars was a conflict between the Republic and Mandalorian clone shock troopers which ended in 35 BBY. And Palpatine wasn’t a Sith Lord. And lightsaber colours had no intrinsic meanings and varied by individual. And Kir Kanos did go on to have a confrontation with Luke and the Crimson Empire trilogy wasn’t just a pointless cocktease after all.”

Sadly all that history is becoming lost in the the ether.

Soon, there’ll be kids and even young adults saying we’re all making stuff up, that it never happened.

RicOlie_2 said:

It sounds like season 2 of Andor will have a very different pacing. They’re planning to jump around in time, leading up to Rogue One, rather than doing a single story:

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/andor-diego-luna-interview-season-2-preview-emmys-star-wars-cassian-rogue-one-1234722950/

Cool read. Especielly this: "I mean, his brain just doesn’t stop. He can come up with a better and better and better idea. And then he works with a beautiful team of writers where everyone starts to bring another layer and another layer and to question things to get them better and better. And he established so many characters, you know?"
 

I also enjoyed this interview he did:

‘Andor’ Star Diego Luna Was Skeptical Over How Well Season One Went: “This Is Too Perfect”:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/andor-diego-luna-season-2-1235405799
 

and at the end of the interview:

Interviewer: Well, Diego, congrats again on Andor season one. It’s truly my favorite Star Wars story since the ‘80s.

Diego Luna: Thank you for your support and for telling me these beautiful things and for giving us a chance to celebrate this experience. The beauty of what’s happening is that other shows like this can start to come out. It might become contagious, and I’m excited by that.

I hope we do get to see more Star Wars like this. It doesn’t all have to be the same, but more grounded, real, intelligent. A level up in quality across the whole range of qualities needed to make an engaging, compelling show.

Hal 9000 said:

Good point. I recall some ‘official’ condemnation of it, but I can’t say I’m aware of anything that came from GL personally.

There are some quotes from George and Lucasfilm on fan editing, and also a lot about The Phantom Edit in oojason’s Star Wars Fan Edit Index, in “The Phantom Edit(s) - a catalyst for Star Wars fan edits…” section.

I’ve only read some of it, but it appears he/Lucasfilm were okay with it.
 

Nice thread and interview find, SWOTFAN25.

RicOlie_2 said:

Regarding the OP, that’s exactly how I viewed canon back when I cared, before the EU was demoted to Legends. You don’t need a big corporation to tell you how to view canon. It’s all up to you.

The way I thought of it was that all the Star Wars books and movies are “based on real events”–that is, they’re all retellings of what “actually” happened, so some of them might stray more from the “truth” than others, or might introduce new elements, or be merely “inspired” by a true story. Thus, Jar Jar in the prequels is simply an interpretation of the real Jar Jar, and the sequence of events was perhaps modified. That left me free to imagine things as “really” being however I wanted them to be.

That is a great way of looking at it.

I understand why fans are annoyed and resent having their emotional and physical investments (especially the time and money aspects) “lessened” be the EU being re-branded Legends, and I can certainly understand fans being annoyed that the original authors often aren’t credited when it is re-used on-screen lately (something I saw mentioned in a recent post on here). But it is always up to us for our view on canon, our own “headcanon”, which can be equally as important, if not more, than what Lucasfilm, Disney or the Story Group tell us it is.

I admit I am among the fans who always thought it was a mistake to have the Empire only starting to build the second Death Star after the destruction of the first,. It just seemed so rushed and a stretch to the point of being unbelievable to me. But this thread has made me think twice about that. I’m still not overly fond of the idea, but can see why others think it is a reasonable time frame.

And I’d certainly love to see a mini series or theatrical film, even in animation, on the building of it, along the lines of what has mentioned in here. In an ideal world, made by the people making Andor, some 4/5 years in the future.

Omni said:

Minor correction, the name of the episode is Jedi Night 😛

Ha! I was thinking to myself to make sure I typed in “Night”, and still type in “Knight” instead! Thanks man. lol

Marooned Biker Scout said:

timdiggerm said:

Well, it took me a little more than two months, but this thread directly lead to my storyboard-based reconstruction: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Reconstructing-the-end-of-ROTJ-with-Storyboards/id/92274

Both this thread and yours are truly fascinating to me. Thank you. I’m going to go read my old Storyboards book for the Original Trilogy right now.

I agree, the amount of work and research is crazy. A lot of it that many fans probably don’t know about, or know much about.

timdiggerm said:

Marooned Biker Scout said:

timdiggerm said:

Well, it took me a little more than two months, but this thread directly lead to my storyboard-based reconstruction: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Reconstructing-the-end-of-ROTJ-with-Storyboards/id/92274

Both this thread and yours are truly fascinating to me. Thank you. I’m going to go read my old Storyboards book for the Original Trilogy right now.

Do you think we’ll find more about on “Black Friday” and the missing Storyboards? I hope we’ll see some interviews, articles and documentaries on this for the 40th anniversary of Return Of The Jedi, as has been done on the official website for Star Wars and Empire for their 40th anniversaries.

I have found more storyboards that aren’t on the site yet, just haven’t had the time to update it.

Oh yes! I look forward to that update too.

Very nice work from I_AmNoJedi.
 

Dave Filoni in a 4 minute interview with Collider from Celebration, confirming he wrote all the episodes, and that he directed at least two episodes. Episode lengths are similar to that of The Mandalorian, “maybe on average a little longer”:

Dave Filoni on Writing Ahsoka, Future Star Wars Series, and Rebels
 

He does say fans won’t have needed to have watched Rebels for Ahsoka, but if people were “really interested in it”, watch the “Jedi Knight” episode onwards, or to just watch Season 4 and “they would be set”.

Superweapon VII said:

Lando should’ve died in ROTJ.

I think the same. The setup was all there too, or maybe misdirection. Maybe have both Han and Lando die? Or would that be too much in a single film like ROTJ?

Backstroke of The West made the Prequels popular in many non-English speaking countries! Fact!

Ok, this may not be a fact. At all. 😉 But it possibly got more people to watch them that would not have done so otherwise.

Are many of these hate filled YouTubers or on social media actually reading the High Republic book and comics, or are they just trashing them because of “reasons”? Are they still trashing on it, or has the rage and quest for “I will super hate this for clicks” dwindles?

Are there any good balanced YouTubers out there that are doing reviews for the High Republic books and comics? I quite like Star Wars Explained, but he can be focused on the more positive aspects of things, rather than providing a balance, or talking more in detail about the more negative aspects.
 

I was put off this High Republic project, and most of the new canon literature, by what Lucasfilm did in making the old EU/“Legends”. To me it was denigrating fans, their experiences, love and commitment, and no small money spent on the “multimedia projects” going back to 1996: such as Shadows Of The Empire, original Clone Wars (2003-07), and The Force Unleashed. As well as the regular EU novels and comics.

I also don’t like the way the series and films since 2014 often pick and choose from the EU/Legends for their content and storylines, but often without crediting the EU authors or creatives. This gives the impression to anyone unfamiliar with the EU that it is the likes of Filoni or Favreau, or the film’s writers that are coming up with these “new” ideas or stories themselves, and not the creatives who originally came up with them. That seems just “wrong” to me.

But, with The Acolyte series coming out soon, that great looking game, and possible more High Republic content coming to the screen, I thought it time to try and give this new High Republic era project a go. And my wallet will take another beating! Dammit Star Wars!
 

I’ll think I’ll stick to the main novel books for now. Start with “Light Of The Jedi” and hopefully work my way through. Do the short stories and comics after if the main books have held my interest.

Juno Eclipse said:

I_AmNoJedi on reddit made a Clone Wars Mandoverse Watch List: Abridged watch list focusing on story arcs that build to the finale & provide background for Mandoverse shows:

I love fan made stuff like this, and is so helpful for finding certain story arcs and episodes. The similar info-images posted for the “Mandoverse” and for Ahsoka too.

hankus said:

I know that most of this site loves the “real” original trilogy but I am one of those who grew up on the 97 special edition. I read that there were some projects ongoing to digitalize this trilogy in high quality. What is a current status of those? i have some amateurish DVD made from the run of SE in TV but the quality is not great. is there any way to get full SE trilogy in high quality nowdays?

Thanks in advance for any info 😃

I think we’re meant to search out projects on here for ourselves, rather than creating threads just to ask where they are? There would be 1000s of threads on here like this if not?

The 1997 Special Edition preservation projects can be found in the Star Wars Preservation forum.

There is a “Project Index” thread pinned at the top of that forum, and there is a section in it just for 1997 Special Edition projects. There are projects available in HD, some ‘Work In Progress’ in 4K/35mm sourced, and other SE projects in there too.
 

This 1997 SE : The changes to the OT films & general 1997 Special Edition discussion thread has a massive amount of information on the 1997 Special Editions. Including the bizarre fact that the 1997 Special Edition never got an official release on DVD, blu ray, or on UHD blu ray. Just low quality releases on formats such as VHS, Laserdisc and VCD.
 

The “Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com”, “About”, “Help”, and “How do I do this on the OriginalTrilogy.com?” threads pinned on this website have more information on how to acquire many of the projects that are listed on here, and also for other helpful topics.

I hope you find a good 1997 Special Edition preservation project in high quality for you to enjoy.
 

Edit: Star Wars: A New Hope (1997 Special Edition) - 35mm Calibrated Scan [Donations Needed!] looks very promising.

If they can get enough donations.

Thanks for that, KumoNin. I think I’ll give The Last Jedi a read through.

Have you read the Rogue One and Solo novels, and what did you think of them? (or anyone else who has read them)

“Ralph McQuarrie”: https://twitter.com/70sscifi/status/1648708933471666178
 

“1976 poster concept for Star Wars (1977) by John Solie”: https://twitter.com/DesigningFilm/status/1647741763103379456
 

WookieeWarrior77 said:

A Criterion release would be a good idea for a few reasons; one of them being that then the movies don’t have to be marketed as episodes 4, 5 and 6… they can have retro-looking covers with the classic logos on them. I know Disney has kind of done away with the episode obsession but I still doubt they’d put the classic logos on the cases.

Absolutely. Disney would probably do something like this again (from their 100th anniversary collection or something):-

I’d be happy with regular Criterion branded covers. (but I’d really just be happy with an option to buy the unaltered theatrical cuts from them!)

Send in this scoundrel to do the deal for Criterion, and then just hope the Empire doesn’t alter it after!

Juno Eclipse said:

“Nice moves, old man - pretty impressive” is a pretty great line, along with Harrison’s delivery of it, that sets up these characters journey together.

I do wonder whatever happened to Jenny!

Some great deliveries throughout the film from Harrison Ford, although that one is very cool 😃
 

Jenny ended up time travelling back to 1999, and still worked in Space:

https://starwarsaficionado.blogspot.com/2016/05/behind-scenes-jenny-and-monsters.html

https://moonbasealpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jenny_Cresswell
 

I was always surprised she didn’t end up running a big Rebellion or crime syndicate like Han’s other girlfriends did!

WookieeWarrior77 said:

I’ve always loved this part too, so I’m glad to see a whole post devoted to it! All a part of that “lived-in” feel that the galaxy has in the classics. And nothing like this in the newer movies at all (or any newer movies, Star Wars or not).

The same for me. It helps “ground” the film to me. Makes it more believable, more real, which can helpful in sci-fi and fantasy films to engage us viewers.

It is more interesting seeing scenes with this content in them, that the people are a part of something bigger, or with other events going on in the background, than scenes with poor or blank CGI backgrounds, or with little to nothing occurring in the background.

DZ-330 said:

Ugh… that was a very dull season finale.

I agree. It was underwhelming, a bit of let down given the build up of last week and potential from it.

The whole season has been that too and, as it stands, I don’t think I’ll be tuning in to season 4 of this. Which is something I never thought I’d say before season 3 started.