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#1517980
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<strong>Return Of The Jedi</strong> - a general <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> thread
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Superweapon VII said:

I would’ve liked the Ewoks if they’d looked less like teddy bears and more like miniature versions of this:

Though the performances still would’ve suffered having to rely on little person actors. I don’t mean to offend, but they don’t make for the best agile arboreal creatures.

I do wonder why Lucas did not change the Ewoks for his Special Editions, other than the blinking. Add some teeth or make them a little more scary or fierce, even if just when in battle.

Maybe even shooting some new fiercer Ewok vs Imperials scenes in a forest for it, and adding some CGI later on.

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#1517979
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<strong>Star Wars: Rogue Squadron</strong> (theatrical film for 2023) - a general discussion thread
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Marooned Biker Scout said:

Emre1601 said:

Patty Jenkins says Rogue Squadron is still in “active development”.

She has responded to some rumours about Rogue Squadron and Wonder Woman 3 on her twitter account.

I hope it does get made, and that it is as good we many of us interested in the RS film hope it to be.

The same for me. An X Wing film is something of a no-brainer for Lucasfilm, One that should appeal to much of the fandom. I just hope they take their time and get it right.

They could re-badge Tpp Gun: Maverick as a Star Wars film, as it was basically a good Star Wars film anyway! 😃

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#1517360
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Icons Unearthed - new 6 part documentary on the OT (VICE)
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digitalfreaknyc said:

For anyone who loved this series as much as I did, it’s on sale on iTunes right now for $5.99 (down from $12.99).

There is a ‘Icons Unearthed: Star Wars’ companion book coming out in May:

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/icons-unearthed-peter-holmstrom/1141939366

There are not many details and seems expensive $28 US. But I hope there is more stories and information from the cast and crew that featured in the series. And maybe even some updates too.

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#1516418
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How would you restructure Anakin's turn to the dark side in the Prequels?
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G&G-Fan said:

Emre1601 said:

I can’t speak for Mocata, Screams In The Void or others. For me it was nonsense because it was so poorly executed and poorly shown in ROTS, and I believe there were other better ways to have Anakin fall to the dark side. You think so too in creating this thread and your opening post: “Anakin’s turn to the dark side wasn’t structured the best in the Prequels.”

We’re talking about ideas here, not the execution. They (and you) were saying that the idea of Anakin wanting to turn to the dark side to cheat death is a fundamentally bad idea. That was my argument that it’s not.

I do not care too much for what Lucas said later, because if he needs to explain things afterwards he likely did not do a good job explaining them on screen at the time. Lucas is also not a reliable person to listen to so I do not take his words seriously as some others do, even as the creative genius behind all of this. I do like to listen to creatives talk about their work and intentions, what worked and what didn’t, but in the end what matters is what happens on screen.

As others say “show, don’t tell”.

And again, I was just discussing the idea of Anakin turning to the dark side 'cause he wants the power to cheat death, and not how it was executed on screen.

Also Lucas is only “unreliable” when he’s lying about things as they were depicted in the special editions or prequels always being the intent even when he was making the original trilogy even when there’s evidence against it. This quote is from The Making of Revenge of the Sith in which he has no reason to lie because it was literally from when the film was released.

Everybody has lied in their life, you can’t just dismiss everything everyone says as a lie because they’ve lied before. You have to look at the reason why they did it and see if it applies.

Of course everyone lies. But George not only lies, but also retcons and tries to rewrite and change history. He would have done this again if he had made the Sequels with his treatments, not that this is important in this discussion.

I already said I do not dismiss everything George says, but again what matters more to me is what is onscreen. “show, don’t tell”. Explanations off the screen do not interest me very much.

It was his poor execution of the idea that made it nonsense to me, it happened so quickly it was not believable and was jarring. If it had been given more time to brew it would have been better. I think a bad idea done well can make it a lot better and more enjoyable. And a good idea done poorly can have an awful effect to a story in film.

I am not here to have an “argument”, as we are just discussing different ideas that we like and could have been better. I very much liked Mocata and Screams ideas from the other thread. And Spartacus01 post above was interesting too.

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#1516335
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How would you restructure Anakin's turn to the dark side in the Prequels?
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G&G-Fan said:

I don’t see how the “finding the secret to prevent death” is nonsense considering mortality is a big theme to the films. Force ghosts? “I’ve become more powerful then you can possibly imagine?”. Luke saying to Yoda that he can’t die and Yoda responding that that is the way of things?

I can’t speak for Mocata, Screams In The Void or others. For me it was nonsense because it was so poorly executed and poorly shown in ROTS, and I believe there were other better ways to have Anakin fall to the dark side. You think so too in creating this thread and your opening post: “Anakin’s turn to the dark side wasn’t structured the best in the Prequels.”

As Lucas said, the epitome of greed is the desire to cheat death. The Sith are defined by being greedy and selfish. There’s nothing more greedy then wanting to take away a fundamental aspect of the nature of living things because you can’t accept the natural course of life. Therefore, it makes sense that the ultimate goal of the Sith is immortality. And as I said in another thread, having Anakin’s turn be about cheating death creates a nice retroactive arc when Vader accepts his death in ROTJ (“Nothing can stop that now”).

I do not care too much for what Lucas said later, because if he needs to explain things afterwards he likely did not do a good job explaining them on screen at the time. Lucas is also not a reliable person to listen to so I do not take his words seriously as some others do, even as the creative genius behind all of this. I do like to listen to creatives talk about their work and intentions, what worked and what didn’t, but in the end what matters is what happens on screen.

As others say “show, don’t tell”.
 

But I do like reading your and everyone’s thoughts on restructuring Anakin’s turn to the dark side in the Prequels.

Spartacus01 post above is interesting and has potential too.

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#1516294
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How would you restructure Anakin's turn to the dark side in the Prequels?
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I really like Mocata and screams in the void’s ideas from https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Anakin-Skywalkers-turn-to-the-darkside-your-alternatives/id/85631

Mocata said:

From what’s actually shown in the movies I always assumed Anakin enjoyed being aggressive to win battles. He would have naturally grown impatient with the Jedi teachers and taken the easier path. It’s a far more human response to their doctrine. Instead of all that “I need the secret to preventing death” nonsense. The only part that makes any real sense is his anger against the Tusken Raiders. But it falls down because we don’t ever see how that anger gives him more strength, and there are no repercussions. Where is the fallout or his anger towards Obi-wan and the council for letting this happen, or letting the slave trade continue? What does he learn from the experience, did he enjoy killing or see how rage is a powerful ally? It’s basically forgotten instead of being a genuine part of his character development.

screams in the void said:

^ good points ! Letting the slave trade continue on the part of the Jedi and Anakin’s anger over it could have been great character development ,especially if he expressed his feelings to them towards it beforehand and they dismissed him out of hand and he felt gas lighted as result . What happened subsequently with his Mother and the Tuskens would have made his fall to the dark side, the perfect impetuous for it . He would have been more easily taken in by Dooku’s views , more sympathetic to Qui Gon’s defiance of the council , and Palpatine would have had the perfect route to manipulate Anakin’s conflicted emotions for his own gain and cement the process .

It makes a more compelling story across the Prequels and also as a more believable and reasoned basis for Anakin’s turn to the dark side than the “I need the secret to preventing death” nonsense. Followed by his lightning quick turn to it as we saw in ROTS.

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#1515304
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<strong>Star Wars: Rogue Squadron</strong> (theatrical film for 2023) - a general discussion thread
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daveybjones999 said:

So I’m not the biggest fan of the whole, how much of the fanbase actually likes something debate, cause it’s often difficult to actually gage something like this, and just because someone’s opinion doesn’t match with the majority doesn’t mean that said opinion is invalid, just that it’s not with the majority. However, if we want to get into the discussion on whether a show is popular or not the best we can do is go to several review aggregate sites and look at the ratings so that we’re not just throwing out opinions that we don’t know the validity of because obviously, people who liked a particular show would say that most people enjoyed it. So I went and collected the data from aggregate review sites, and I’m only looking at the audience ratings and if the site gives a number of how many people reviewed it I’ll post that as well. So IMDB has around 7.1 with 2.9K reviews, Google Users has 84% liking the show, Rotten Tomatoes has it at 64%, Metacritic has 6.6 user rating with 1,981 reviews, and letterbox has it at 3.3/5 with 103,883 reviews. If we take these numbers then we can say that the majority of people did in fact like Obi-Wan, but the fact that the approval rating is only around 65 would imply that people more than likely thought the show was just OK. That’s not an extremely good rating, but it does go to show that most people don’t feel that strongly about the show one way or the other, but that they’re more positive about it than not. Again I don’t really like this whole discussion but if we’re going to be claiming that a majority of people did or did not like something then it should probably be backed up by actually going and looking at the data we have available. And again no opinions are really invalid so even if someone disagrees with the majority that opinion is still completely valid.

This post is very good, and a reminder that what we often see often reddit or YouTube isn’t necessarily fact, or even accurate of the bigger picture. There is far more information to be taken into account than a subset of online fandom, including channels with their own biases and audience appeal. No matter how popular people think these channels are.

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#1515301
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<strong>Star Wars: Rogue Squadron</strong> (theatrical film for 2023) - a general discussion thread
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Patty Jenkins says Rogue Squadron is still in “active development”.

She has responded to some rumours about Rogue Squadron and Wonder Woman 3 on her twitter account.

“I originally left Rogue Squadron after a long and productive development process when it became clear it couldn’t happen soon enough and I did not want to delay WW3 any further. When I did Lucasfilm, asked me to consider coming back to RS after WW3, which I was honored to do and agreed. They made a new deal with me. In fact, I am still on it and that project has been in active development ever since. I don’t know if it will happen or not. We never do until the development process is complete, but I look forward to the potential ahead.”

She then talks about WW3.

https://twitter.com/PattyJenks/status/1602824242684252161

 

I hope it does get made, and that it is as good we many of us interested in the RS film hope it to be.

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#1515070
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Is Bail Organa secretly an absolute idiot?
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I hope Bail is well written for if he appears in the 2nd season of Andor. Some of his appearances in the animated series, and Kenobi, have shown a lack of care given to the character like others above have already said.

It is almost like Bail exists just to be contrived into appearing as a “call back character”, with only 2D or superficial thought given to the character or his role in the stories by the writers.
 

Poor dialogue and decisions in Kenobi like “I know we said no communication, but your silence worries me”.

At first he doesn’t know who has kidnapped Leia, but when he finds out the Empire have kidnapped and interrogated his daughter he says nothing publicly? An Imperial Senator not even mentioning it is surely suspicious, or would deserve a closer look, in the Empire’s eyes?
 

If Bail does appear in Andor, then it will be good to see this character at least get some care and respect from the writers. Maybe even as a fully fleshed out character with believable actions and intentions, which is something Andor has excelled at.

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#1513110
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What other spinoffs should Disney make?
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Gary Whitta (Rogue One writer) - “Years ago my Rogue One co-writer Chris Weitz and I had a cool idea for a TV show about a Mossad-style Rebel team hunting down Imperial war criminals who fled and disappeared after the fall of the Empire. Could have been a cool bookend to R1. We never did anything with it though.”

I would watch that. A cool idea.

Maybe even if set post-Sequel Trilogy and hunting down First Order and older Imperial factions. If done in a similar style and quality of Andor, it could add some much needed onscreen background to the story of how the First Order came about, existed, came to a situation where the Republic were easily overcome as we saw in TFA.

A bit like how Rebels, Clone Wars, Bad Batch and other content pads out the Prequel Trilogy and tries to plug the many gaps and questions in those films, this could for the Sequels?

Or if not, it could just be a cool post OT era series instead!

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#1513104
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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Although there will always be the contrarians, nitpickers and also some people with closed minds or agendas, it is okay if Andor is not for certain fans, because it is very different to what has come before, but there is much more other Star Wars content to suit their tastes too. This show is indeed different, and refreshingly so.

And yet it is so very pleasing to see many Star Wars fans happy and enthralled with Andor. To see countless others enjoy Star Wars again. It is also pleasing to see that something new and different to what has come before has been so welcomed and warmly received. Both critics and fans love this show, wanting to see more at the end of each episode. Even the YouTubers and social media are full of praise.

Who would have thought this before it aired? About a prequel TV series based on a secondary lead character, who is often described by some as being dull (me included!), of a prequel film made to explain how the Death Star plans ended up with the Rebellion?!
 

A heist caper and political drama on the seeds of how the rebellion are sown. Yet it is a show so compelling, even when there is little or no action onscreen. And when it does bring us the action, it is different, fresh and surprising. Or just a visual joy, like the Eye on Aldanhi scenes. Overall the show is mature in tone, gritty, real and easy to identify, but also requires and demands the attention of the viewer.

This unique project, several steps removed from the what we have seen in other modern Star Wars releases; Andor consciously cuts down on easter eggs and fan-service, instead telling a tense story about the birth of the Rebellion. A relevance to this modern world, and also the world shortly before we see Luke and Obi-Wan meet up and go on their damn fool idealistic crusade.
 

It also gives a sense of just how dark the galaxy really was, how much of a gamble the Rebels really took against the Empire. The themes and concepts of the OT films in particular are given even more depth and power. This is what all the best prequel stories do, they stand on their own two feet, but also add weight to the main story.

No lightsabers and no Jedis, but the Force is at work there, if you look for it. But mainly it is a back-to-basics show that captures the essence of the original trilogy and actually expands upon it, giving us a deeper look at life was like for the regular people living under the regime of the Empire. The people who would rebel. Andor’s characters are deliberately designed to feel more like ordinary people struggling to survive under this totalitarian regime.

Making its statements with an unusual degree of boldness for modern Star Wars, and the dialogue is sharp enough to even draw viewers into mundane machinations of the Senate, and the family life of those that work there. Fantastic performance from Genevieve O’Reilly, like there is from all the cast, and even secondary characters, and even from the droids too! To see the reactions of fans watching the finale where B2Emo is kicked over by that Imperial captain, because of the work put in and earnt by the show in making the audience care; to even give a shit about this droid even among the tension and terror of what we knew was to come.
 

I could go on and bore myself and everyone else I speak to about this show, and I do!

The compelling story and intelligent writing, the skilled directing, editing and amazing cinematography, beautiful set design and costuming, strong and yet nuanced acting and casting, impressive set-piece stunts and VFX, clever use of sound and music, the stunning yet grounding world building, character building and arcs (especially for the main character I did call dull previously!), how he both interacts and effects the people around him, and also evolves and changes himself of over the course of the series. The gripping tension that built up to several nailbiting climaxes, followed by the brief gentle lulls before effortlessly ramping up more tension and greater anticipation in the next arc of the story. The triumphs and the sacrifices, the braveness in showing the finality of death and how quick and easy it is to pay the ultimate price. Not forgetting the beautiful and memorable dialogue and speeches throughout. Not a single scene or character wasted.

I give a standing applause to Tony Gilroy and everyone involved in the making of this show.

Everything about this is so fucking great and enjoyable.

Everything!
 

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#1512862
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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Ice said:

I love how

Mothma uses her knowledge of her driver’s role to set up her husband as the fall guy and get the ISB suspicions off of herself

That was so well done, just like the rest of the final episode.

I thought for much of the week this episode may disappoint in some way, that it would be too difficult to end the season on such a high note, because of the amazing standards of what has come before, but they nailed it, the whole episode.

Now we have a long wait for season 2. But I hope the other Star Wars series coming soon are near the qualities and standards of this one.

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#1511683
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StarWarsInterviews.com
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Amazing interviews on your website. I also loved the interviews above, the personal stories and the anecdotes. Lucy Autrey Wilson must have some interesting stories from her time at Lucasfilm from the very start through to 2010!
 

I laughed hard on Time Winters answer to the Dark Forces II question of What is your own view on the game?: “What amazed me was that over the years so many people have proudly come up to me and said how many times they killed me in that game. Must be hundreds of thousands of times by now . . .”

😄

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#1511274
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JD Dillard and Matt Owens Make a Star War
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J.D. Dillard’s ‘Star Wars’ Movie No Longer Happening

Dillard said that it was “unfortunately no longer a thing," though it "was not for lack of trying.”

Dillard said that he didn’t want to discuss too much of what the film would have been like when asked, though he did cite the video game TIE Fighter as a heavy influence.
 

That is so disappointing, even more after finding out the TIE Fighter game would have been a heavy influence for it.

In the article it also says Dillard is no longer doing The Rocketeer.

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#1511104
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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Fan_edit_fan said:

Well episode 10 was terrific! This show is just phenomenal on all scales of acting, writing and pacing. Sad there are only 2 episodes left but at least we have an epic season 2 to look forward to.

“I’m condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them.” (What a great line and delivery)

Luthan, Kino, and Mon Mothma with her thug, all the conversations and acting in this episode topped even their usual high standards.

That whole sequence at the prison was just so brilliantly done. The groundwork, the tension, the buildup, and then the release, for so many scenes in Andor.

This really is the best Star Wars in a long, long time.

NFBisms said:

Star Wars doesn’t deserve Andor 😭

You are right, and we should enjoy it while this lasts.

And hope we see more similar quality in the any of the other new series.

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#1510894
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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jedi_bendu said:

Just rewatched the last 2 episodes with a friend and it’s really quite disturbing when the power goes out in the prison, when you know the reason why. It’s unsettling anyway due to the tension and the fantastic sound design but more so in context.

This is so true. Every little choice like the acting, set design, sound, camera placement, editing, it all adds so much to the story and episode.

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#1510893
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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GuardianoftheWhills said:

This is the only Star Wars series I’ve rewatched. There’s so much to savour.

jedi_bendu said:

Just rewatched the last 2 episodes with a friend and it’s really quite disturbing when the power goes out in the prison, when you know the reason why. It’s unsettling anyway due to the tension and the fantastic sound design but more so in context.

Apart from Visions, this is the only series I have watched again too. Everything about it grips me and pulls me into the story and the characters in it. Even for the Imperials! Even Syril Karn!

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#1510891
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<strong>The Acolyte</strong> (live action series set in The High Republic era) - a general discussion thread
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The Acolyte series cast revealed - https://www.starwars.com/news/the-acolyte-original-series-cast-revealed

“The Acolyte is a mystery-thriller that will take viewers into a galaxy of shadowy secrets and emerging dark-side powers in the final days of the High Republic era.”

I don’t know what to expect for this series, but I do like the above description.

And I hope it will have similar world building, attention to detail, set design, cinematography and a high quality production that Andor has.

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#1508677
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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jedi_bendu said:

Anchorhead said:

Question for the group. Contains a spoiler

Do you think Kleya is acting on her own by arranging a meeting with Vel and telling her to kill Cassian? I get the feeling from the secretive nature of the meeting and Vel wondering why Luthen isn’t there with her that Kleya may not have told Luthen about her plan. I also get the impression that Vel isn’t going to do it since Cassian protected her by doing away with Skeen and leaving her all the money. He did the right thing for her, I think she’ll return the favor.

Spoilers:

I have a feeling there’s more to the relationship between Luthen and Kleya than meets the eye. She seems to be his assistant, but the way she spoke to him at the end of episode 5 made it feel like she was the one in control, and now I agree it seems like Luthen has no knowledge of her meeting with Vel.

I like this very much. I am not sure it will be correct, but it is much fun to think about.

That is something else great about this show, it makes us think about it, what is happening, what will happen, what we would like to see. The characters, their motivations and actions, and the world building in Andor has been fantastic.

I think Kleya may “clean up” for Luthen much more than Luthen is aware of. She IS loyal to him, but she gets her hands dirty more than he or anyone else knows about.

This whole series has blown me away. Each episode leaves me wanting more, and just don’t want this series to end at all. Much credit and thank you to everyone involved in making this show. I hope we see a little more Star Wars shown in a similar way to the Andor show in the future.

I even want more time on Niamos, with synth soundtracks and Miami Vice feel.

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#1506856
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Prequel Nostalgia
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Superweapon VII said:

Servii said:

If Ed Wood had been a multi-millionaire with access to early 21st century VFX, he would’ve made movies of exactly the same quality.

That’s part of the charm of the prequels for me, honestly. The fact that they’re so unapologetically George’s movies, with all the good and bad that that entails. It’s preferable to movies that feel like they were made by a board room.

I wish more prequel fans thought this way, really. I can understand loving the prequels, warts and all. What I can’t fathom is the mentality that insists there are no warts.

Or the off screen explanations or excuses approaching Olympic level gymnastics trying to reason why there are no warts.

Why not accept just the warts, most films have them if you look hard enough. Fans of the OT and ST, to me, appear to accept the warts in Star Wars more than fans of the PT. I am not sure why it is.

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#1506855
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<em><strong>ANDOR</strong></em> - Disney+ Series - A General Discussion Thread
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I am enjoying seeing how the Imperials and Corporate Sector operate, a more real and engaging view on how they see things. Their obsessive cataloging, reports and administration, the politicking and power struggles. The dismissal of hunches without verifiable facts. And the effect it has on everyday ordinary people.

How the Imperials are being portrayed in Andor makes them a more believable, real and interesting enemy.