Emre1601

J.D. Dillard’s ‘Star Wars’ Movie No Longer Happening

Dillard said that it was “unfortunately no longer a thing," though it "was not for lack of trying.”

Dillard said that he didn’t want to discuss too much of what the film would have been like when asked, though he did cite the video game TIE Fighter as a heavy influence.
 

That is so disappointing, even more after finding out the TIE Fighter game would have been a heavy influence for it.

In the article it also says Dillard is no longer doing The Rocketeer.

Fan_edit_fan said:

Well episode 10 was terrific! This show is just phenomenal on all scales of acting, writing and pacing. Sad there are only 2 episodes left but at least we have an epic season 2 to look forward to.

“I’m condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them.” (What a great line and delivery)

Luthan, Kino, and Mon Mothma with her thug, all the conversations and acting in this episode topped even their usual high standards.

That whole sequence at the prison was just so brilliantly done. The groundwork, the tension, the buildup, and then the release, for so many scenes in Andor.

This really is the best Star Wars in a long, long time.

NFBisms said:

Star Wars doesn’t deserve Andor 😭

You are right, and we should enjoy it while this lasts.

And hope we see more similar quality in the any of the other new series.

jedi_bendu said:

Just rewatched the last 2 episodes with a friend and it’s really quite disturbing when the power goes out in the prison, when you know the reason why. It’s unsettling anyway due to the tension and the fantastic sound design but more so in context.

This is so true. Every little choice like the acting, set design, sound, camera placement, editing, it all adds so much to the story and episode.

GuardianoftheWhills said:

This is the only Star Wars series I’ve rewatched. There’s so much to savour.

jedi_bendu said:

Just rewatched the last 2 episodes with a friend and it’s really quite disturbing when the power goes out in the prison, when you know the reason why. It’s unsettling anyway due to the tension and the fantastic sound design but more so in context.

Apart from Visions, this is the only series I have watched again too. Everything about it grips me and pulls me into the story and the characters in it. Even for the Imperials! Even Syril Karn!

The Acolyte series cast revealed - https://www.starwars.com/news/the-acolyte-original-series-cast-revealed

“The Acolyte is a mystery-thriller that will take viewers into a galaxy of shadowy secrets and emerging dark-side powers in the final days of the High Republic era.”

I don’t know what to expect for this series, but I do like the above description.

And I hope it will have similar world building, attention to detail, set design, cinematography and a high quality production that Andor has.

Criterion Lays Off 20 Percent of Staff in ‘Reorganization’ Move

It looks like Criterion could do with extra work and income if they are having to make a number of people redundant. I hope things improve for them quickly.

jedi_bendu said:

Anchorhead said:

Question for the group. Contains a spoiler

Do you think Kleya is acting on her own by arranging a meeting with Vel and telling her to kill Cassian? I get the feeling from the secretive nature of the meeting and Vel wondering why Luthen isn’t there with her that Kleya may not have told Luthen about her plan. I also get the impression that Vel isn’t going to do it since Cassian protected her by doing away with Skeen and leaving her all the money. He did the right thing for her, I think she’ll return the favor.

Spoilers:

I have a feeling there’s more to the relationship between Luthen and Kleya than meets the eye. She seems to be his assistant, but the way she spoke to him at the end of episode 5 made it feel like she was the one in control, and now I agree it seems like Luthen has no knowledge of her meeting with Vel.

I like this very much. I am not sure it will be correct, but it is much fun to think about.

That is something else great about this show, it makes us think about it, what is happening, what will happen, what we would like to see. The characters, their motivations and actions, and the world building in Andor has been fantastic.

I think Kleya may “clean up” for Luthen much more than Luthen is aware of. She IS loyal to him, but she gets her hands dirty more than he or anyone else knows about.

This whole series has blown me away. Each episode leaves me wanting more, and just don’t want this series to end at all. Much credit and thank you to everyone involved in making this show. I hope we see a little more Star Wars shown in a similar way to the Andor show in the future.

I even want more time on Niamos, with synth soundtracks and Miami Vice feel.

Superweapon VII said:

Servii said:

If Ed Wood had been a multi-millionaire with access to early 21st century VFX, he would’ve made movies of exactly the same quality.

That’s part of the charm of the prequels for me, honestly. The fact that they’re so unapologetically George’s movies, with all the good and bad that that entails. It’s preferable to movies that feel like they were made by a board room.

I wish more prequel fans thought this way, really. I can understand loving the prequels, warts and all. What I can’t fathom is the mentality that insists there are no warts.

Or the off screen explanations or excuses approaching Olympic level gymnastics trying to reason why there are no warts.

Why not accept just the warts, most films have them if you look hard enough. Fans of the OT and ST, to me, appear to accept the warts in Star Wars more than fans of the PT. I am not sure why it is.

I am enjoying seeing how the Imperials and Corporate Sector operate, a more real and engaging view on how they see things. Their obsessive cataloging, reports and administration, the politicking and power struggles. The dismissal of hunches without verifiable facts. And the effect it has on everyday ordinary people.

How the Imperials are being portrayed in Andor makes them a more believable, real and interesting enemy.

I agree with erichf69, and hope that Disney licenses the work out too.

Even if a deal was made so the original cuts were also available on Disney+ and a monthly subscription would be required, as that appears to be their business model now.

I hope Wall-E sells very well for Criterion! It is released on November 22.

Did I think Lucas regrets the way Palpatine died?

Not at all. Why would he? It was the natural end of the story at the time. As Darth Caliban said above, killing the Emperor any differently wouldn’t prevent producers and writers bringing him back years later by cloning or other explanations, simply because they hadn’t planned out later films following on from the story and needed a “big baddie”.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Lucas thought it was a mistake to bring the Emperor back in TROS, and in the way they did it?

I really enjoyed the 3 episodes. Something very different with this new series, but also familiar and immersive. Like the feeling of being in an expanded Dark Forces game, made into a high-tension TV series.

I love the street-level view of the Empire, and the Corporate Sector, the view of people from the ground up.

The mystery of where the adults are on Cassian’s home world, or what happened to them. What was on the crashed ship? Was it Imperial, or something else? Marva said it was a Republic ship, but the uniforms of the dead crew were CIS, maybe some people still call the Imperials or Empire the Republic? So many other interesting story threads and puzzles within. Even small details like the ageing of the small red droid between flashback scenes, the conversation with the old salesman on the airbus, the 70’s lived-in OT look and fashions, was all done very well.

Definitely watching this next Wednesday for more.

Do I want to see a Remake of the OT? No. Remakes of films are largely pointless, simply repeating what has gone before and old films that were done much better. They don’t capture the magic of the original, although they do try and capture the money from fans of the original.

Maybe an animated series of the entire Star Wars saga would be more interesting. To see classic events from the original films told from a different point of view, maybe from different characters too. With the goal of a 9 film series being written a lot more coherently.

Maybe even use the original unused script for TROS with the stormtrooper uprising for the final episode?

Or do something different and fun like Star Wars Uncut?
 

But I think I’d simply rather see a new animated series telling us new Star Wars stories in times and places we haven’t seen before, or rarely seen or mentioned before.

digitalfreaknyc said:

Emre1601 said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Just watched that 4th episode.

Wow. That’s all I have to say. To all of it.

Very much this, and also The 5th episode of the series too. Some interesting views and opinions in it on the Special Edition and Phantom Menace films. Just 1 more episode still to be shown.

Everyone seems to be too busy salivating over L&M to talk about this. I find it far more interesting.

Me too. I enjoyed the first 3 episodes of L&M, focusing on the OT, but it then got kind of rushed and uninteresting, they didn’t talk about the Special Editions, only had a 10 minute segment on the Prequels, and I didn’t think they talked about the Sequels at all. The later episodes felt like an official promotion for ILM & the Disney era rather than telling a BTS or history story.

This Icons Unearthed series has been far more interesting to me. More insights and stories from the people making the films, especially Howard Kazanjian, Ken Ralson, Phil Tippet, Marcia Lucas and David West Reynolds, speaking more at ease and openly. It has turned some parts of what we thought we knew about Star Wars history on its head. I wasn’t sure I’d enjoy watching episode 5 but I really did, and hope it finishes well this week with the 6th episode.
 

Edit: I thought I’d written about this in more detail, and on Episode 6, but I must have forgot to click on the post button.
 

1. Marcia creating the ‘ticking clock’ of having the Death Star attack the Rebel Base in Star Wars to give the ending more tension.

'Marcia Lucas’ focus was the Death Star run. Using old World War II movies like The Dam Busters as her guide and sometimes stand-in (again, the ILM team struggled to complete their shots), she stretched the sequence as far as she could. Originally, Luke Skywalker took two passes at the trench before scoring a hit, but Marcia encouraged George to excise the first. He agreed, but with only one pass, that trench run needed to be as tense as possible. Marcia rearranged and inserted frames, prolonging the battle by adding a countdown clock.

Star Wars‘ initial edit [or script] did not have the Death Star approaching Yavin 4. Using voiceover and Death Star gunner footage stolen from the previous destruction sequence of Alderaan, Marcia Lucas created a ticking clock for the final battle. Originally, the only danger belonged to the X-Wing pilots and the Death Star denizens. Marcia Lucas removed the threat-exclusivity from the battlefield and placed a target on those good Rebels not yet in the fight. If Luke Skywalker doesn’t hit his target, millions more will die shortly after.’

‘‘Star Wars’ was Saved in the Edit’ section of https://filmschoolrejects.com/marcia-lucas-interview-icons-unearthed-star-wars/

^ I loved the description in the article above. Also Marcia’s description of it in the program too.

2. Marcia Lucas on editing Return of The Jedi.

“The third film was the most problematic editorially. It went through several English editors and we weren’t happy with any of the assembled footage. I had to beg off another movie to stay and fix this one. The battle in the desert over the monster hole - I spent two months cutting that into something intelligible. I worked with Rose at ILM for the entire time. She probably hates me to this day I was always on her to get finished effects shots so I could cut them in.”

Her looking back on Empire Strikes Back: “I cut Yoda’s death scene together - in the first cuts it was too dry - no emotion from Luke and by extension the audience.”

As well as Marcia editing 'all the emotional scenes’ and the ‘dramatic scenes’ for Return Of The Jedi - including rounding out and giving more emotion to the Vader death scene with Luke in the hangar on the Death Star.

https://thedirect.com/article/star-wars-george-lucas-wife-marcia-original-trilogy

^ To learn of the many scenes she edited in ROTJ was very cool.

3. Episode 6: Marcia divorce with George.

George did not HAVE to sell the Graphics Group, other companies or stretch himself to pay Marcia. He CHOSE to:-

Episode 6 where we find out “George had signed a promissory note, promising to pay her for her share of LucasFilm”, but that George did not HAVE to sell any part of the company or subsidiaries for Marcia’s share of the divorce. The promissory note was for WHEN ever it was that he would eventually sell the company. Instead, George CHOSE to pay down the note and so sold ‘The Graphics Group’ (Pixar) to Steve Jobs because he didn’t want to have own Marcia anything in the future, to have anything to do with Marcia in the future.

^ That was quite a revelation.

4. 'In Episode 6, Marcia in her own words on being erased from Star Wars history.

“This is painful, but when I left George he was very unhappy. He was very hurt. And the way he dealt with my leaving him was to decide I never existed. He erased me from history. He went… as far as I know my daughter wasn’t even supposed to mention my name in his house. You know, he was just so… resentful and so angry for me for leaving and he just sort of… that’s the way he had to deal with it. They wrote a book called ‘The First 20 years of Lucasfilm’. I opened up the book and looked at the Index and it said Marcia Griffin Lucas - one page: ‘Marcia Griffin Lucas was an assistant editor I married in 1969’.”

There is no other mention of Marcia Lucas’ work or contributions to the Original Trilogy films [including her impactful work on editing all the ‘emotional scenes’ and the ‘dramatic scenes’ for Return Of The Jedi]. As discussed above, and also in Category #3 of this thread, there are only minimal mentions of Marcia in other official books, documentaries and content from Lucasfilm. In effect, Marcia was erased from Star Wars history.’

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/George-Lucas-Star-Wars-Creator-Unreliable-Narrator-Time-Travelling-Revisionist/id/66986 (Category 29)

^ This was very sad and emotional to see. Even after a long amount of time has passed. If is good that people know more of the facts on this is recent years, that Marcia was part of a very talented editing team that added so much to the Original Trilogy films.
 

5. Dave West Reynolds, the man who crafted the Episode I trailer, having it be what the movie really was, and admits having misgiving about it.

DWR: “We’re very aware of all the expectations that are resting on this little piece of film because its gonna set the emotion that we’re gonna bring to the release of the film. So much depends on the reaction to this trailer.”

IU:SW narrator: ‘But while making the trailer, David had come to a devastating conclusion about the film.’

DWR: "It’s not exactly what I was looking for. "

IU:SW narrator: ‘He had a huge decision to make.’

DWR: “Are we gonna make a trailer… that reflects what this movie really is… Or are we gonna make the trailer for the movie that we wish this was? We went with 'Let’s create the the trailer that… that we thrill to see… before you find out what you’re really gonna get.”

DWR: “People really responded well to that trailer. We always felt misgivings. I just hope that people would forgive us for that eventually because it was a sincere gesture. We were trying to show them that somebody here knows what you wanted.”

^ That was a big surprise to me, to hear someone from Lucasfilm openly admit that.

It is sad to see people, George zealots, get so angry when talking about Marcia Lucas and some of the other talented people who contributed to the Original Trilogy films, even sending abusive messages to other fans for simply talking about it:

New Star Wars documentary features a rare interview with editor Marcia Lucas at boingboing website, in July 2022.

The abusive message, also with shitty remarks about Marcia Lucas:
 

Edit: just like G&G-Fan’s like-minded Ejn troll friend, now in the RocketJump’s Video on Star Wars “being saved in the edit” thread.

Edit2: and now Ejn trolling his issues with Marcia Lucas being talked about in Star Wars history: The inaccuracies in “How Star Wars Was Saved in the Edit”.

Edit3: and now also OT basher Jelperman trolling about Marcia Lucas having a place in Star Wars history in the same thread.

Trolls really do love defending that awful Nerdonamous video anywhere they can, like flies to shit. And also hating it when other fans simply talk about Marcia Lucas’ editing and effect on the OT films. Those George zealots can really be delicate flowers when they are not busy threatening people.

This was such a good enjoyable series, one of the best “Top 5” documentaries series on the Original Trilogy for me. Just to see and hear many of the people behind the scenes talk openly and lovingly about their work and time on the films.

The people behind this program are doing a 2nd season, for The Simpsons.

digitalfreaknyc said:

Just watched that 4th episode.

Wow. That’s all I have to say. To all of it.

Very much this, and also The 5th episode of the series too. Some interesting views and opinions in it on the Special Edition and Phantom Menace films. Just 1 more episode still to be shown.

none said:

Wish they considered this more of an ongoing series than a one time production. The early episodes seeing the home movies of each of the major players was fantastic, to understand their energy and passion from an early age. Would like to see more of that as they worked through the next few decades and new teams.

Yes, I absolutely agree. It was noticeable there was no discussion of the 1997 Special Edition or later SE changes with CGI, that the Prequels only got a 10 minute segment, and nothing much at all for the Sequels. It was an enjoyable series until the last episode where it felt too rushed.

The Jurassic Park and Terminator sections were also good to watch. Though the series was at its strongest when focusing on the Original Trilogy era. But I may be biased! 😃

I am really enjoying this. I just saw episode 3 and was good to see John Dykstra tell the story of why he wasn’t involved in Empire Strikes Back. The Gary Kurtz and Kershner sections was good too. And even more interesting bits of information from Marcia Lucas again!

The link does not work for me, but as Star Wars has a habit of reusing old and unseen stuff we could see something like it in The Acolyte or a future series where Sith or dark force users have a base?

It is always nice too see more Ralph McQuarrie art used on screen, or stuff inspired by him and his drawings.

This is not so far from making Rey or Leia the chosen one, instead of it being Anakin, so why not?

Though I preferred it when there was no chosen one. A more civilized time! 😃

from https://screenrant.com/star-wars-sequel-trilogy-george-lucas-leia-chosen-one

A Spanish poster for upcoming Star Wars has a second season of Book Of Boba Fett on it, “coming soon”:

from https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/w0pr7m/boba_fett_season_2_confirmed_in_spanish_poster/

It is only reddit, but there could be something to it.

An article on the crowd reaction in the movie theater watching the end of Return Of The Jedi back in 1983:

“Star Wars fans scream for Darth Vader twist in 1983 reaction video” at the Digital Fix
 

The video:

“Darth Vader’s Redemption - Cinema Reaction (1983)”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhHn6oD-B7M : a 2 minute video at Clavis YouTube channel.
 

I found it interesting to see, but if I were in the movie theater I would have gone back to a later viewing to try and watch the ending in more quiet surroundings!

I would like to see them review the Special Editions, their style and format would be just right for highlighting the many Special Edition changes. But it would be an massive effort to do this, given there are now 4 Special Edition cuts to work through and compare to the unaltered OT. And I can’t see them doing something like that again either.

Like servii says:

Servii said:

I think they addressed the Special Editions well enough in their prequel reviews. They criticized the added CGI visual clutter.

The RLM guys are burnt out on Star Wars, anyway. They can’t muster the energy to get worked up about it anymore.

But it would be cool to see something similar, even if done by someone else, in a format like the Plinkett PT reviews.

Has anyone already done a similar type of video for the Special Editions, darklordoftech?

Tony Gilroy confirmed Andor will be 24 episodes in total, over 2 seasons:

‘is going to be a story that spans five years – the first year of which will be explored in the 12-episode first season, starting this August. The now-confirmed second season will also consist of 12 episodes, spanning the other four years and leaving off right where Rogue One begins.’
 

More: https://www.empireonline.com/tv/news/andor-tony-gilroy-explains-star-wars-rogue-one-prequel-structure-exclusive

I had thought this may be like The Mandalorian with multiple seasons, but should be interesting to see how this series evolves and how it manages the leaps in time for the 2nd season.

And looking forward to seeing a full trailer for this.

Obi-Wan Kenobi Composer Natalie Holt Breaks Down Scoring The Show’s Biggest Scenes - at slashfilm

I thought this was an interesting interview, and it seems there were a few changes for Natalie Holt to adopt to for the show. At first it appeared they weren’t be allowed to use any of the old themes, and then they were allowed to use some of John Williams themes, but just for episode 6. It is a good read on what the composer was aiming for with most of the episodes in the series with the story onscreen, how director Deborah Chow had wanted a more modern or minimalist approach for the music for it, and the collaboration for the music in episode 6.

yotsuya said:

Emre1601 said:

yotsuya said:

Emre1601 said:

Yotsuya, when mental gymnastics, or going down the proverbial rabbit hole, are required to try to explain inconsistencies and stretches like those listed in the OP, it indicates there are indeed issues in the series.

I enjoyed Obi-Wan Kenobi overall; there was much to enjoy in it, but could not help but notice the many issues I listed in the opening post. For me, it affected my appreciation of the show, and gives me concern for future Star Wars content when there are so many noticeable issues in a much anticipated and high profile series. Though everyone’s “mileage may vary” on this, and am happy that many others did enjoy it, regardless of such issues.

It is partly why I look forward to new Star Wars content away from what has come before. With new characters, in new or rarely seen settings, and in new eras. As from a consistency point of view, it has been demonstrated time and time again there is a real problem with adhering to what was actually established in the Original Trilogy.

I don’t require any mental gymnastics. I kept checking off things that explained what had previously required mental gymnastics. But I didn’t see anything that made new ones.

You literally introduced some mental gymnastics in your first paragraph of your post to me:

yotsuya said:

Well, the thing is that Lucas created quite a few issues between the OT and PT that were never dealt with until this series.

Padme dies and Leia was already taken away from her and yet she has memories of her mother. When Kenobi is around her in this series, she constantly reminds him if Padme. And there are several examples where Leia is obviously using the force to read minds and she could easily have seen Kenobi’s memories of her mother. She could also have seen some memories from bail as well.

Even if your “obvious” claim is taken as fact, along with your use of “could” ofs, when Luke asks Leia in ROTJ “Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?”, Leia does not reply or infer “Nothing at all. But I read the minds of others around me who were thinking about her when I was young, and so I will now present the memories from those others to you, as my own”.

Nor is Luke asking Leia for others thoughts of Leia’s mother.

This is an impressive feat of mental gymnastics you are introducing as some sort of justification.

But yes, we all agree Lucas did “create quite a few issues between the OT and PT”, but this series did not deal with them very much at all. As is listed in the OP, this series appears to add to these issues.
 

Leia’s powers are subtle and are never manifested. Vader doesn’t sense her power. Kenobi doesn’t sense her power. Luke doesn’t sense her power. Yoda says there is another, another Skykwalker and Kenobi says it is her. So only Yoda picked up on it. Even the inquisitors didn’t pick up on it. So her power must also provide some cloaking. She isn’t a skilled pilot or mechanic like her brother and father. She is a skilled diplomat and politician like her mother. So no one notices she has great power and how it does manifest itself aids her in what she is good at.

“Cloaking”? What? You seem to be using possible skillsets years in the future to justify the now. Luke does sense some of Leia’s ability in the being able to communicate by telepathy between the two of them in Empire Strikes Back. And in the ST we are shown that Leia was trained by Luke, so he does sense her power and abilities. Vader is impressed with her ability to resist the probe droid in SW: ANH. But Kenobi doesn’t get anywhere near her in Star Wars: ANH, up to the point of letting Vader strike him down.

Yet Leia actually directly tells Reva what Reva’s fears are during the failed interrogation on the Inquisitor Base, where Leia is able to resist Reva’s mind probe, and Reva is taken aback by it. So it is incorrect to say the Inquisitors do not pick up on it.
 

Why would Kenobi make up the story about Vader betraying and murdering Anakin? Either he is hiding things from Luke, or now, he is using Vader’s own explanation. But there is no need to tell Luke where it came from. He tells Luke that certain things can be true from a certain point of view. Not just this. So he used it as a teaching moment.

We know he didn’t make it up. We all know it is to hide the later retcon of Vader and Anakin now being the same person, and presented as a “stretch” in ROTJ. Yet why make the line of dialogue in Star Wars: ANH worse, or more noticeable, by now having Vader literally say to Obi-Wan that “I killed Anakin”, which certainly now jars even more with Kenobi’s line in Star Wars: ANH.
 

And for the most part, this series is a few days where a few people call him Obi-wan again, but mostly they call him Ben. So he is exaggerating a bit when he says he hasn’t used that name since before Luke was born. Even the original dialog provides some leeway. And it isn’t like he stopped being called Obi-wan before Luke was actually born even without this series. The Jedi were destroyed before Luke was born and he is likely marking that as when he ceased being called obi-wan, even if that is not quite true per Ep III. This series doesn’t really change that. It just reveals a few people did call him that in a brief episodes.

He doesn’t seem to be exaggerating when he said this line of dialogue at all. If you are going down the well-trodden path of the “crazy, forgetful and unreliable Ben” excuse many Prequel fans often use in an attempt to justify some of those discrepancies between the PT and OT to do so, that is up to you.

“A few people call him Obi Wan” and “a few people did call him that in a brief episodes” still results in him hearing the name Obi-Wan Kenobi on a number of occasions within the last 8-9 years. So not “That’s a name I haven’t hears in a long time. A long time.”, when you watch the scene back, the emphasis is also on “a long time” part of the dialogue.
 

One of the things about stories is that you have to apply a dose of reality to them. Taking every single quote as 100% fact does not reflect how most people talk. Most conversations have short cuts, incomplete statements, hyperbole, and don’t reflect the absolute truth. It is rare that someone can accurately relate the specific time since an event, like Sheldon Cooper, C-3PI, Mr. Spock, or Data constantly do. Most just throw out something that is roughly correct and writers write with that in mind. In fact writers are often more exact that real people ever are. Someone might throw out that something happened seven years ago in a conversation, but in reality it was 9 years ago. Times might be rounded up or down. And that is just the vagueness of time in conversations. Taking every word of dialog at face value is not a good way of checking realistic continuity (unless you have one of those very exact characters).

With respect, mistaking a couple of years is much different from mistaking 20 years for 9-10 years, and we know he isn’t making a mistake when he says the line of dialogue in Star Wars: ANH.

A “dose of reality required”? It is obvious Obi-Wan when states “That’s a name I haven’t hears in a long time. A long time” he is being accurate, truthful, and not mistaken; especially given the other line of dialogue from Obi Wan in Star Wars: ANH, dating these events around the same time of: “I haven’t gone by the name of Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born”.
 

And Star Wars has always put the drama first. Things are not always described in great detail. The vagueness helps keep the hood on the magic behind the scenes. That is why Midichlorians were so objectionable - they opened the hood a bit and reduced the magic of the story telling.

So while there may be a few new quirks to the storyline because of this series, I think this series addressed most things well and answered more questions that it made. And any that it made are minor.

It is good you believe that, and I said in the OP, everyone has a different POV and everyone’s mileage on these isuses may vary. Obviously, we have a different point of view and disagree. But there is evidence of such discrepancies, stretches and issues listed in the OP, no matter some of the mental gymnastics resorted to in an attempt to dismiss some of the issues that people noticed in the series.

I am repeating myself, but it actually highlights how far down a rabbit hole people have to go to try and explain or justify some of these issues, inconsistencies and stretches; or somehow claiming these “issues between the OT and PT” are being addressed or “dealt with” in this series; and still come up short.

I look forward to your own thread where you claim watching this series meant you “kept checking off things that explained what had previously required mental gymnastics”. I honestly do. With respect. Emre.

That is all fine. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I don’t agree. I don’t see any issues with this series and the saga films. None at all. That is my opinion. So we don’t agree. Who cares. We can both share our opinions and anyone can join in or have even other opinions. That is what discussion is about. As I said, I don’t see any mental gymnastics needed to fit this in with the saga. It think the landscape before this required more and this has smoothed things out considerably.

You have already said this. As I stated in the OP in several places, and in here since, it is okay you or anyone else disagrees or has a different opinion. Everyone’s mileage may vary.

When you said you “don’t require any mental gymnastics”, I simply demonstrated to you where you literally introduced your own mental gymnastics to justify issues with the series.

It appears you are not interested in discussion, but in repeating your point of view again and again. When you are proven wrong, or your claims are debunked, you ignore the posts which prove you incorrect, and attempt to shift the discussion. As you have just done above. This does not just occur in here, but in the main Kenobi thread, with others too.

You have now said your piece in here, and have now repeated yourself in here too, while ignoring the points presented to you. I do believe you when you say “I don’t see any issues with this series and the saga films. None at all”. So I am sure you will now want to prove me wrong by no longer repeating yourself in here.
 

I do genuinely find it interesting that people introduce their own mental gymnastics to address some of the issues, and how far down a rabbit hole people have to go to try and explain or justify some of these issues, inconsistencies and stretches; or claiming these “issues between the OT and PT” have been addressed or “dealt with” in this series; and yet still come up short. So again, I do look forward to reading your own thread on Kenobi detailing why you believe the series “kept checking off things that explained what had previously required mental gymnastics”, “I think this series addressed most things well and answered more questions that it made.”, “this has smoothed things out considerably”, and “I don’t see any issues with this series and the saga films. None at all”.

Please let me know when it is finished and you have posted it.