This is a fantastic achievement, for the community at large and especially Hal. Well done! I really hope we get that last couple of changes. And of course, much like with Hal’s light-touch edits of TFA and TLJ, I also look forward to whatever follows, using this as a base!
I still feel like connecting Palpatine to the Son raises more questions than it answers…
Definitely agree. Though red doesn’t necessarily directly equate to Son.
I’ve always been a big advocate of Clone Wars nods, but I always found the popular Mortis arc way too on the nose and demistifying.
Anything that diversifies the colour pallet on Exogol gets a Yes from me.
Grey with green smoooooooke!
I do like the look of this, and I have advocated for leaning a little more towards Clone Wars stuff, especially that Palpatine may have been resurrected in part through Nightsister magic. But I’m not sure if it feels a little videogamey to imply he’s ‘levelled up’ a bit. I also think Star Wars leans a little too heavily on the ‘Change the colour = intriguing’ trope.
Will you use any of the edits/ideas from Hal’s or Neverargreat?
“Somehow, Hal’s computer returned.”
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Nice idea. But no offence meant, I think the effect here is a little too strong, enough so that it obscures the line a bit. Subtler might be better.
Buddy, you are pushing forward the potential of all amateur editing. Incredible work.
OK. I was looking for specifics but I won’t push you to go into detail if you’d rather not! I certainly enjoyed Luuke back in the old EU.
I’m so confused - is there a problem that this intends to solve?
Oof, yes, that’s fantastic! I don’t think it felt rushed at all, and all of the music felt perfect.
Oh, and please tell me you’re cutting the scene in Ep1 when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon use force speed to escape the Droidekas, which isn’t used again in Star Wars, and especially not used when Obi-Wan needs to move fast through the closing forcefields to get to Qui-Gon to save his life.
Correction: Luke uses it to escape the carbonation shaft in ESB.
Personal note: PLEASE DONT
That’s a fair observation, yeah. To me it’s always felt like a really unnecessary addition though, one that raises more issues than it solves.
Goddamn. These just get more and more impressive. Seeing this made me think, though - what are you planning to do with the narrative of the films? Whose narrative fanedit might yours be closest to? (I know you specify a lot of changes in your OP but I’m wondering about your narrative approach/goals, etc)
Oh, and please tell me you’re cutting the scene in Ep1 when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon use force speed to escape the Droidekas, which isn’t used again in Star Wars, and especially not used when Obi-Wan needs to move fast through the closing forcefields to get to Qui-Gon to save his life.
You also mention that your plan for Ep2 is to have Padme remain Queen. I’d vote against this for two reasons - Firstly, that many other sources refer to Padme as a senator, most notably the Clone Wars (which people are especially into since it just had its finale, which works really nicely with Ep3); and Secondly, that Leia being a princess still works because she’s adopted by the royal family of Alderaan, making her legally the daughter of Queen Breha Organa.
Did you plan to take your edit, and make a fan edit with Clone Wars ?
If NFB doesn’t do this, then I absolutely will once NFB’s is complete.
Although I vented, I was being constructive with the suggestion of removing parts of Kylo doing any “dark side temptations” and just focus on her and the throne vision/talk since there really isn’t much real temptation for her character.
I’ll back peddle the sequel rants, but I was giving a suggestion about it. So let’s not play the ignoring the suggestion part and attack me aspect of it thanks.
But I already provided a counter for the idea that Rey has “no real temptation”. There were many examples of her doing dark side stuff throughout the sequels, so it doesn’t really come out of nowhere like you’re saying. I feel like RogueLeader’s added dialogue definitely tracks with her character in the previous movies.
Agree.
Totally agree, Neerb.
Here’s a rough test for their hangar interaction: https://vimeo.com/447063673
Hell yes.
Welp, that totally puts that whole train of speculation to bed.
To be fair, I suppose we do have to acknowledge that Vader-as-father only came in an early ESB script, and Leia-as-sister only existed as an idea for ROTJ, so Star Wars does kind of have this ‘laying the tracks before the train’ approach.
But still, I don’t think that justifies this lack of oversight and planning for what should have been a cohesive trilogy from the start.
EU media will gradually embed Palpatine-as-grandfather in the canon more solidly, but personally I’ll always prefer Rey Nobody, especially knowing how little it mattered to the production team.
Something I would like to see in a Phantom Menace edit is the removal of Podracing Arena. Make the Podrace seem like a local thing that takes place out in the desert. More a drag race than a chariot race. Tatooine is also way too populated/ prominent in The Phantom Menace.
I always imagined it as a lot of people coming to where the races were, like most of the crowd were out-of-towners following the series. But then again, Anakin wouldn’t have been able to race offworld anywhere. Maybe there’s a local league thing run by the Hutts, which was temporarily hosting the main event?
OK, done. I’ve reuploaded smudger’s five movies. PM me for links. I can’t be uploading these forever so please consider hosting these yourself if you do get a hold of them.
They are:
1: Army of the Republic
2: A New Threat
3: Children of the Force
4: A Galaxy Divided
5: Rise of the Dark Side
What other avenues can we pursue for getting a little more Dooku in TPM?
Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon shouldn’t be master/student as this contradicts what was stated in TESB but as friends or as two Jedi who work together with Yoda being the one who instructed Obi-Wan or both of them.
I’d rather change the Originals to not contradict the Prequels if the alternative is going through those mental gymnastics.
Agreed. A lot of people tend towards OT Purism, but I think it makes more sense (and less effort) to support whatever piece of conflicting canon has the most evidence in its favour. Qui-Gon is Obi-Wan’s master in TPM, and it’s mentioned in the other PT films and the Clone Wars. Best to roll with it, I reckon.
Which arcs did you settle on covering, in the end? Latest I can see, some were still up in the air.
I can certainly understand the absolute disenfranchisement you must feel after TROS. I remember thinking (and writing on these forums) that it did so much retroactive damage that I wished we had a duology cut, or that at least any worthy conclusion to the trilogy might need to be butchered together from TLJ/TROS.
I assume that you’re scripting your own Ep9 because you need to conclude these stories in a worthy way, in order that you can let the whole thing go.
But that said, your TFA is inspiring, because it shows an approach that was willing to think radically but then apply rationally. Looking across the forums right now, the amount of technical skill on display like the force ghosts finale, the crackling saber, the new voice overs, all-new CG shots, and the things AlaskanSandman’s doing to the prequels, it feels like we have such a library of skill to pull from in order to justify radical thinking for whatever follows TFA.
I’d hope that, after Hal’s light-touch TROS is done, the community turns its eyes to the more radical options for capping off the trilogy, and I’d hope that your ideas would be a major part of that.
What’re your current plans, Nev? You’re most of the way through TFA, and a good way through TLJ, and I’ve seen some decent plans of yours historically. But I appreciate you seem to have cooled off on Star Wars since TROS, and haven’t posted for a while. No pressure of course, but what’re your current intentions?