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Congratulations!
I’ve almost finished my personal pass for The 501st, but I can’t say that any changes are worth calling out (just several minor trims for smoothing). Well done.
I haven’t seen you mandalorian episodes although I seen the changes in each and ever single one of them and by the looks of it. Therefore, I’m creating a Clone Wars Stories (Canon) that happen in the time period to make a bit of changes in some of them. Nevertheless, I’m not be able to get as many edits completed by the period as Education is important and schooling. If you’re willling to contribute and ideas as this is WIP project.
Replied in your thread 😃
This is the second part and conclusion of the Cad Bane / Holocron Heist storyline, and this season’s finale. The split between this episode and the previous one was mainly because the original version of Cargo of Doom (which begins this episode) had a lot of plot happen in its narration, which I needed to preserve via a new opening crawl. There’s nothing too new in this version of the edited episode, mainly some light restructuring and improved audio and transitions throughout.
These are a great set of episodes, and a fitting season finale - Cad Bane is an excellent new villain, we get a great high-stakes romp through space, there are some nice callbacks to earlier events in the season, and we get some great hints at Palpatine’s larger plans. We also get to see more of Ahsoka’s growth (through combat competency, patience, and wisdom), and her relationship with Anakin develops (with him compromising the mission to save her, and trusting her judgment). I also added a scene originally from Lightsaber Lost which, in context, implies that these events have given her an interest in training the future generations (as continued in Rebels and Mandalorian), and reflects back on Anakin losing his own lightsaber in part one.
Noteworthy changes:
I’m not quite ready to announce that this episode concludes my season one, because I’d like to make a simple trim to s01e05 (cutting Obi-Wan’s underwater scenes entirely rather than just leaving a bit of them). That’s uploading right now too, so just give me couple of hours and I’ll update the thread title once it’s all good to go!
Right, so with that s01e10 v2.0 complete, and the minor change to s01e05 (removing the underwater scene), it’s finally time to announce:
That’s the full polish/quality pass of the first ten episodes (plus the bonus episode zero), incorporating full reviews of all edits to date and their original sources, masses of community feedback from the v1.0 versions incorporated, the new reordering and additional context it grants, improved music and transitions, and improved intros and outros throughout.
This is intended as a complete, cohesive, end-to-end season of the show, and of course the introductory season for my five-season edit. There are extensive notes on each episode’s placement and edits in the tracker spreadsheet (which you can PM me for) and lower down in this thread’s original post.
Phew!
As always, feedback and discussion is welcome and encouraged. I’m sure there’s the odd nip and tuck I could make in future, but for now, there’s nothing in my (extensive!) notes and I’m proud to put that season in front of you all.
Onwards, then, to the polish for the later seasons! I know I say this every time I say ‘onwards’, but this content’s v2.0 upgrade should take far less time to edit. I was already a half decent editor by the time I came to the 1.0 versions of those episodes, so there’s far less polish work to be done, plus they were already stronger episodes so required fewer edits in the first place.
Thanks to everyone who’s joined me on this ride!
Congratulations!
I’ve almost finished my personal pass for The 501st, but I can’t say that any changes are worth calling out (just several minor trims for smoothing). Well done.
Good Work!
I’m just added a new story episode to work on, to state changes and its plot behind it.
To anyone who watches the full first season, I’d really appreciate any further feedback (even if not particularly constructive), because I’d really like to submit this to IFDB once it’s been seen by enough eyes.
i‘ll let you know about things that stuck out to me (if), by the end of the next week.
Feedback, based in part on further edits that I made. As said before, a lot of this is subjective, but if you find anything useful, feel free to copy it from my files or recreate it yourself.
Please do note the typo in the opening text for Resistance on Ryloth.
ASSASSIN
Trimmed some initial shots of the Jedi. Now we go from the ship exterior to her talking to the guard on the screen.
Cut some of the dialogue when the guard meets the clone outside the interrogation cell.
Trimmed some of Ahsoka’s threatening. It’s still there, but it’s faster and doesn’t call him a worm etc.
Made a few of small trims to tighten up the battle and boarding sequences.
THE 501ST
Cut part of the dialogue by the mercenary clone trainer. Cut clone requesting a transfer to another squad. Jumped straight from failure to Heavy getting out of his bunk. All of this was done to make the opening of the episode faster and more fluid.
Made small trims around the arrival of the commando droids to get them to the door faster and to reduce their chatter.
Trimmed out the rock worm (both appearances).
Trimmed a bit of dialogue between Grievous and a bridge droid to make them less goofy.
Trimmed another battle droid line when Heavy is sneaking around to reduce goofiness.
Removed some redundant and non-sequitor lines when Anakin, ObiWan, Rex, and Cody are talking about the need to defend Camino.
Moved Anakin’s line about pressing the advantage and re-added him returning to the planet to make the cut of underwater scenes with ObiWan sequence more naturally.
Trimmed a few lines when Fives and Echo are assigned sniper duty just to tighten the scene up.
Cut a few redundant scenes of troopers firing at droids and squid ships.
Trimmed some of the banter between Grievous and Ventress to make them a bit more direct.
Cut Anakin’s line about Ventress saying hi.
Cut the battle droid knocking on a door.
Cut two instances of Grievous recognizing ObiWan and calling him by name.
Trimmed a few more redundant combat shots.
Moved Greivous entering his escape ship to a slightly later point when it is more clear that they’ve lost.
Trimmed Ventress and Anakin lines about her being executed. Now she just says they probably want to capture her, but that’s not going to happen today.
Ended the episode on the eulogy for 99.
RESISTANCE ON RYLOTH
Typo in opening text: “defences” > “defenses”
Suggestion in opening text: “their newly established space blockade” > “a newly established space blockade”
Cut Wat Tambor strategy session after he says to target the villages. Cut scene of Twileks being marched out of the city. The scene is good, but the whole civilian-shield thing never becomes relevant in the actual battle.
Trimmed the Mace and troopers overlook scene after “which means they can’t be that far.”
Cut the close up shot of the lucrehulk bridge area. The first establishing shot of the whole ship seemed sufficient.
Cut a battle droid response when ordered to launch fighters.
Cut a few corny lines from Ahsoka and her pilots during the fight.
Trimmed down Ahsoka’s most directly disrespectful line to Yalaren.
Cut the establishing shot of the Venator after their retreat, along with Anakin’s initial dialogue with two clones. Instead, the scene opens with Ahsoka beside her fighter.
Made several trims to remove corny droid talk about older models. Now they just march past.
Cut the Nemoidian’s talk with Wat Tambor about Anakin. It wasn’t bad, but it seemed unnecessary, and the transition without it seemed to serve the story better.
Shortened the establishing shot of the Venators snd fighters preparing to depart.
Trimmed the battle droid repeating himself to the Nemoidian captain.
Made several small trims to make the collision faster.
Cut the dialogue about the droids taking a while to attack the Venator.
Ended the episode with Mace’s line “You’ve earned your freedom, general.”
THE DEATH WATCH
Suggestion in opening text: “While Senator… Its Death Watch radicals…” would get rid of two paragraphs in a row starting with “But.”
Trimmed the initial mention of an assassin by Dooku, in order to leave everything about their plot a surprise.
Trimmed the bit about only being a “friend” to slightly dial down the drama with ObiWan and Satine.
Thanks Vranir, it’s always interesting to see how people have brought things further. I’m interested how you’re managing most of the audio transitions when trimming some of the dialogue you’ve specified, because I often find that each trim needs quite careful audio work to preserve the flow of the background music. This is why I tend to avoid any more subjective cuts and tend toward preservation unless particularly egregious. One of the big changes I made for the 2.0 polish was that I now listen to the edits on a full surround sound system at max volume with muted voices and SFX so I can really feel the music flow. But there are some interesting ideas here!
I’m particularly interested in how you trimmed around the rock worm in The 501st. I kept it because I couldn’t see a clean trim point since Rex’s introduction is him shooting the worm. What was your solution there?
Similarly, I’m curious about what you did about getting Anakin down to Kamino without the underwater scenes. I know originally Anakin says something like “I’ll join you on the surface” and then eventually we just cut to them together on the planet, but I was happy to have them travel down while offscreen in the absence of the underwater content. I’d like to see how you’ve made that slicker!
I’m also interested in your new placement of Grievous’ escape in the 501st, because I remember that bit of audio being a bit messy.
I also wonder if there’s an angle in Ryloth where I can preserve the Twi’leks being kicked out of the city but without the human shield angle…
I’ll keep the word ‘Defences’ because that’s the norm for British English, which sees wider use than American English. Just be glad I haven’t had to talk about Coloured Armour!
I’d recommend that you keep the scene of the droids talking about older models though, because it’s good context for why they can’t just take out the orbital control ships like Anakin does in TPM.
I don’t think I’ll make many changes, but there’s lots to think about here, thanks!
My audio transitions aren’t likely as clean as yours. What I tend to do is split the track in iMovie as close as I can around the line that I want to get rid of. I then separate out the audio, shorten the video on one side or the other until it reaches a new camera shot, then overlap the residual audio, fading the pre-cut audio out, while fading the post-cut audio in.
Often this results in a transition that blends pretty naturally to my ear, but I don’t use any fancy speakers, and I’m not an audiophile. There are definitely times when I can’t make a cut like this due to a more dramatic change in the background music, though sometimes I can hide that by fading in and out a third layer of audio with other background noise or music.
I ended up cutting Rex’s introduction. Cody gets introduced while Rex just takes his helmet off offscreen.
Thanks to your notes Vranir, I’ve just made some light changes to Resistance on Ryloth.
(Not yet uploaded at time of writing, it’ll be a couple of hours from this post.)
I’m not sure why I didn’t do it this way before. It makes sense to open on the Twi’leks suffering, to establish the episode’s emotional stakes, and so the ending brings this full circle.
If anyone’s able to change the colours of just a single item on screen (as opposed to a screen-wide LUT), I’d love to recolour the pink-skinned child that Cham Syndulla holds in his arms into having green skin, so it can be more explicitly Hera. Doesn’t need to be a spot-on job (she can grow into her pigmentation), but hinting at Hera would be a nice nod forward. It’s just three short shots.
I’m afraid that the new version of Ryloth doesn’t have a link in your spreadsheet.
It’s still uploading, it’ll be ~45 mins.
Thanks. It’s there now.
I watched the new intro. It wasn’t bad to start with, but it’s much better now.
This is the opening episode of my second season. I included ‘in memory of Akira Kurosawa’ from the original episode, and renamed the episode ‘Seven Warriors’, to emphasise the fact that this is an homage to his ‘Seven Samurai’ film.
This isn’t an incredible episode, but it’s perfectly decent and a good season opener, as it achieves a few things: Firstly, it reintroduces our core trio of Anakin, Ahsoka and Obi-Wan, and they all get their moment to shine. But more importantly, it sets the tone for this season, with its emphasis on the rise of scum and villainy, and the impact the war has on the ‘little guy’. We also get our first sighting of Hondo (at least for TCW:Refocused, in a far better episode than his original introduction), who’s a great villain and addition to the franchise. And it also gives us the first seeds of Rebellion, which’ll continue a few times through TCW.
The episode is largely untouched.
Noteworthy changes:
Onwards to s02e02 Massacre. I’m going to try my more recent idea to have scenes from Lair of Grievous precede the Massacre portion (with the reasoning being that Mother Talzin leaked its location as revenge against Dooku/the Separatists in the Nightsisters arc), which’ll give us some cool additional scenes and make the Massacre far more personal for Grievous.
Great progress today on my idea for a new version of s02e02 Massacre.
I’ve incorporated about ten minutes of Lair of Grievous, so now it plays as follows:
Since Grievous has no visible mouth, and Dooku has his back to the camera quite a lot when he’s in hologram, I was able to do a lot of audio work to keep referencing the Nightsisters throughout the Lair of Grievous content.
The workprint is finished but I want to watch it through first and see if I want to make any other changes since it was a complex one to put together.
One additional option I have here, is to end with Savage on a rampage in the diner looking for Maul, finding a further clue and getting more of Talzin’s guidance, ending up on the ship which’ll take him to Lotho Minor to find Maul. I originally cut that from the start of the relevant episode, as it wasn’t necessary as an episode introduction (he has the medallion, we can start with him just already arriving at the planet), but if I were to put it here, it would serve to bridge the prior Nightsisters episode (four episodes prior) with the next Savage/Maul episode (four episodes hence). Though it doesn’t directly pertain to the content of this episode, it might provide some good wider continuity and let that plotline feel like it’s still running? What do you guys think?
But, a question for you guys:
One additional option I have here, is to end with Savage on a rampage in the diner looking for Maul, finding a further clue and getting more of Talzin’s guidance, ending up on the ship which’ll take him to Lotho Minor to find Maul. I originally cut that from the start of the relevant episode, as it wasn’t necessary as an episode introduction (he has the medallion, we can start with him just already arriving at the planet), but if I were to put it here, it would serve to bridge the prior Nightsisters episode (four episodes prior) with the next Savage/Maul episode (four episodes hence). Though it doesn’t directly pertain to the content of this episode, it might provide some good wider continuity and let that plotline feel like it’s still running? What do you guys think?
I think that could work, it would help with the ongoing story style and spread things out a little bit.
In fact, I could really do with some feedback on how well that new narrative works right now, so-
The link’s in the usual place (replacing the older version 1 of Massacre). Detail on my new idea in the post above.
Ignore the intro and outro, they’re still the old version. (Assume that the introduction tells you that the Nightsisters have leaked the location of Grievous’ Lair, a secret that only Ventress could have known.) But I’m curious to gather feedback on the story ideas presented herein and their execution. Ordering, audio, and transitions are all done, so it plays nicely.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can spare the time!
I’ve tidied that workprint up now so I can at least release a decent review version.
This episode is a continuation of the plotline established in the Nightsisters arc, which leads into the Savage/Maul plotline to follow. It’s placed here to allow us to eagerly anticipate and get to Maul within this season, and to make Ventress’ reaction to the events of the Nightsister arc come fairly soon afterwards.
It merges the plotlines of Lair of Grievous and Massacre, to present an all-new story. Lair of Grievous contained some interesting texture and good villainy for Grievous, but had a lot of filler and its emotional core wasn’t strong enough to stand alone. Massacre was always great fun, but it was really Dooku that had the personal grievance against the Nightsisters, not Grievous. So what I’ve done here is had Ventress leak the location of Grievous’ base to the Jedi, as a vengeful strike against Dooku and his war. Here that event is what now draws the Jedi to Grievous’ Lair (rather than pursuing Nute Gunray as in the original), triggering the events of Lair of Grievous. And now, when Grievous initiates the Nightsister massacre in Massacre, the events there (including Ventress and Grievous’ one-on-one duel) are more personal. This also builds on their dislike of each other as seen in the Domino Squad arc. Having Ventress be more directly responsible for the fall of the Nightsisters also adds a new layer to her guilt, which plays nicely with her original lines about this being all her fault, and helps justify the softening of her character that we see later.
Since Grievous has no visible mouth, and Dooku has his back to the camera quite a lot when he’s in hologram, I was able to do a lot of audio work to keep referencing the Nightsisters throughout the Lair of Grievous content.
I also end this episode with some scenes originally from the beginning of Brothers (where Savage finds Maul), showing Savage getting closer to finding Maul and having Dooku and Grievous ominously show further concern. My intention here is to create some anticipation and continue to make this show feel more serialised than anthology. (I’m not sure quite how well this works, so interested in feedback here)
Noteworthy changes:
(I’m not quite sure if ‘Massacre’ still suits this new narrative, so I may rename this? Revenge? Retribution? Escalation? Revenge and Regret?)
I may need to return to this one based on your feedback, but it’s a polished review version for now.
Onwards to s02e03 Corruption on Mandalore!
I was confused. I loaded it this morning to look at after work and find it’s different on the tracker. I eventually worked out why with my keen intellect.
I think the two main episodes work well together. Sending the Jedi after Grievous is a very Ventress thing to do and I found it strange she in the actual show she has one assassination strike against Dooku then gives up.
The edits to LoG work well and don’t feel jumpy and the cut to Mas is a bit quick but there’s no way around that.
Did you do any changes to the music? The scene of the Nightsisters commandeering the AAT sounds very like the Knights of Ren theme.
Retribution would be a good name as it ties up the loose ends and opens some new ones in terms of the Savage/Ventress/Grievous/Dooku (and by ecxtention Palps/Talzin) relationships.
I noticed no technical issues (missfades, audio issues etc.) but then again I’m not usually good at picking that up.
I will say the composition of the edit is very well thought out and things like the juxtaposition of both Grievous and Ventress getting rebuilt is interesting and something that works as if it was scripted.
Based on what I saw it clearly states that Ventress Returns to her home planet of Dathomir after her defeat on the Seperatist Dreadnaught and goes into hiding to re-evaluating. However, Ventress Ally has forsaken them to know that they want Revenge over Darth Tyrannus.
Upon doing so, Kit Fisto and Jedi Knight Nahdaar Vebb goes to the Moon of Vaseek 3 system to kill Grievous. Therefore, they failed and Grievous still lives.
Based on this summary of the refocused narrative, it would be best to rename this episode to Vengeance as it suits the narrative as a whole.
This episode is a continuation of the Mandalore plotline, continuing Ahsoka’s interest in teaching future generations, and giving us our first steps into Ahsoka developing her skills solo.
I wanted to place this episode fairly early because making it now the third Mandalore episode in a relatively short period of time helps establish Mandalore as a key recurring pillar of our show, which’ll pay off once Maul gets involved and carry us through to the finale.
For this episode I wanted to combine all of the best parts of Corruption and The Academy whilst dropping and minimising the weaker elements of both: The plotline about poisoned schoolkids, the academy kids, and the whole idea that the best way to fix corruption is to make a Jedi a schoolteacher. I also wanted to change a LOT of character motivations to make then all a lot more rational. The solution here was a radical restructure of the narrative, placing both Padmé and Ahsoka on Mandalore at the same time, and allowing the academy kids’ interpretation of Ahsoka’s teaching to kick off Satine and Padmé’s investigation, which ends up putting pressure on Almec to expose himself.
The new narrative plays out as follows:
The amount of polish I’m needing to give this batch of episodes is far smaller now, as I was a better editor when I first produced them, so I’m able to get them upgraded to version 2 a lot quicker lately. But I’m still taking the opportunity to review them fully as I go.
Onwards, to s02e04 Like Father, Like Clone, our Boba Fett episode!
And I’m having a productive day, so-
This is the first (and main) time we see Boba Fett in the Clone Wars, but it’s also a good Anakin episode which becomes a good Ahsoka episode, with a little development for Mace Windu. It’s a great episode that looks lovely and has some good ideas, with a strong emotional core - the battle for Boba’s soul. And hey, we get some more Hondo, who’s always good fun, and there are some excellent ponchos on display too so you know you’re in for a good time. Mainly, all I did was take out a good amount of filler, to let that core plotline remain in focus and be better paced.
Noteworthy changes:
Onward to s02e05 Tales of the Lost Clones, my clone loyalty anthology episode. Of all the episodes I produced so far, this was the one left unfinished (since I wasn’t great at audio transitions at the time), so I’m looking forward to having it properly released.
Eddie, I watched your Massacre episode over the weekend and I was really impressed by it. I went in with a notebook in hand, ready to give some feedback, but honestly I didn’t really notice anything that stuck out to me. The transitions worked well (I especially like cutting from Grievous’ repairs to Ventress’ ritual), and I didn’t notice any audio hiccups.
With what material you had, it is very impressive how you connected these two episodes, and thematically it makes a lot of sense. Like you’ve already said, there is a cool parallel in us seeing the homes and origins of these two minor villains, as well as making their antagonism with each other more personal.
There are some times where I think a more traditional L or J cut would make for a more natural transition than the more Star Warsy wipe, but that’s just a part of the shows style that you’re trying to stay consistent with, so it is not really a complaint.
Anyway, great work here. These are the kind of edited episodes I really love seeing. Sorry I don’t have more detailed notes for you but I genuinely didn’t notice anything that stuck out to me.
I was finally able to catch up on some more episodes. The new version of Ryloth with Liberty works a lot better in a way that really elevates the episode. The Death Watch and Children of Night were solid aswell.
I skipped a few episodes to check out the new version of Massacre that includes Lair of Grevious, overall I think it’s an ingenious idea and it fits really well, LoG is a pretty fun little episode and it’s cool you were able to find a pairing that can elevate both episodes, similarly to your Ryloth cut.
However, the one thing that didn’t really work for me was the way you sprinkled some dialogue from Massacre into LoG, namely both of Grevious’ calls with Dooku. Firstly, I get the idea of trying to more explicitly tie Ventress to the attack on Grevious’ Lair, but it really doesn’t come off that way. The lines from Massacre don’t really gel with the originals, so it ends up feeling like two different conversations happening at the same time. Secondly, I feel that interjecting talk about Ventress and the witches takes away all importance from the immediate plot about Grevious having to fend off against Fisto & company, it makes that confrontation drag as it feels like something we just have to get over with so the real plot of the episode can begin.
In my opinion it would work a lot better if first we focused on Grevious fighting off the intruders on his lair, juxtaposed with Ventress recieving a warm welcome home and celebrating with the night sisters. And then after Grevious has successfully defeated his assailants, he’s contacted by Dooku and comanded to take vengeance against Ventress (now Grevious becomes the assailant!). I would say to remove the first conversation with Dooku entirely, cutting instead from Ventress’ baptism to Grevious fully repaired ready to fight the Jedi again. This makes Grevious feel more isolated as he deals with the surprise intruders on his own, instead of getting a random call from Dooku that aknowledges the intruders but doesn’t make any further remarks or offer any help. Then once he kills Nahdar and the clones and forces Fisto to flee, he is contacted by Dooku simply to command him to attack the witches on Dathomir.
Here’s a rough mockup I did of how it could play out:
https://vimeo.com/667454669
I think Dooku’s expressions and mouth movements sinc up well enough to pass off. I also like that it would remove the bit where Grevious has to coyly tell Dooku that Fisto escaped, framing it as a failure. I’d say he did pretty good for a surprise attack, specially now that it was not a “test” set up by Dooku, I think it’s better to just remove all of that dialogue. This also falls in line of your goal of making Grievous appear more menacing in TCW:R, this is one of the few episodes where we actually see him hunting down Jedi and that bit of dialogue kinda undermines it.