EddieDean

Movies Remastered said:

Darth Sadifous said:

Very much looking forward to this release. Thanks for all the hard work. I like there will be two edits to choose from as well. Will the standalone episode without the flashbacks have the final episode included? Have a nice weekend and may the force be with you!

Indeed. It will include all present day episodes and conclude the entire story in one film. The second will finish on the cliffhanger of Osha putting on the helmet and part 2 will include all the flashbacks in chronological order.

Thank you! May the force be with you too!

That structure is pretty cool, actually. Using the helmet as the bridging point for flashbacks is elegant.

What VFX shots are you adding/changing?

I’ve made an edit of the Clone Wars which covers the key moments from 2003 CW, 2008 CW, and Forces of Destiny. It also includes the key moments from Tales of the Jedi - essentially the full clone wars era timeline.

One of my recommended viewing paths there is “I ONLY want to watch content that sets me up for the Filoniverse shows quickest”. That one sounds like what you’re after in terms of explaining Ahsoka, Maul, Darksaber, etc.

Read more here: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Clone-Wars-Refocused-COMPLETE-Subtitles-for-season-one/id/80467/page/99#1599231

Reviews are here if you want to get more of a sense for whether or not this’ll be interesting to you and your son. https://fanedit.org/clone-wars-refocused-the/#reviewsTab

PM me if you’d like to request that.

Whether or not it’s a bad idea, it’s not something I’d like to do for this project. I like the animated voice actors.

I’d like to see episodes 3 and 7 merged into chronological order as a full standalone thing - the Tragedy of Brendok.

MagMaxx said:

EddieDean said:

Sure- send me a PM and I’ll share it there.

pm sent! waiting

I replied to you on the 2nd July 😃

Sure- send me a PM and I’ll share it there.

We’ve entered the third generation of fanediting, folks!

The question is really “Is it relevant to the story of the Clone Wars?” The Bad Batch four-parter originally in TCW simply wasn’t relevant to TCW (other than that one scene, which I did use) - instead, it was relevant to the story of the Bad Batch show. The Ahsoka content from TOTJ was relevant to TCW, since it enhanced Ahsoka’s story set during the same timeframe. But, whilst Barriss is arguably one of the more major TCW characters, her return in TOTE doesn’t do anything to enhance the story of TCW. It certainly warrants a watch - it leads into both the Kenobi show and Rebels - but I think it’s more of a standalone thing.

Sounds good - did you settle on how you’re handling the multiple endings?

I think it works absolutely fine. It doesn’t align with our recent fantasies around where we’d take the Rise of Skywalker plot, but it aligns with what we know from canon.

I love the animated cast, so I wouldn’t see much value in trying to replace them.

I love this. This idea really has legs.

Respectfully to Sasquatch, I really liked that each episode was on theme rather than chronological. Really worked for me. I look forward to seeing the audio kinks ironed out.

That’s a good question! As a rule I like edits which preserve all the canon, so Hal’s are always a safe bet. I really enjoyed Spence’s too, though they cut a bit too much canon for my preferences. They’re tight and enjoyable though.

Hm. The idea does have merit, and technically it works fine, but it’s a long and slow-paced epilogue where Barriss is a main character out of nowhere. And because it’s long, you lose that lovely heavy momentum at the end where everything feels like it’s sinking sadly with Ahsoka, the Clones, and later Vader. I feel like your best and most tonally appropriate option here would be a far more truncated (like 90% truncated) montage of those few things, with the theme of ‘the galaxy sadly descends into a dark, uncertain future’.

I’m talking almost single shots, without dialogue, over a piece of music that leads into the final Vader scene. Something like:
[Sad, slow, ominous music]

• Barriss in prison
• Barriss’ hands unshackled
• Ahsoka and Rex burying the dead
• Fortress Inquisitorius under construction
• Barriss at FI
• Grand Inquisitor before students
• Barriss and other inquisitors bow to GI
• Vader at FI
• Padme’s state funeral
• Ahsoka at Padme’s funeral
• Bail Organa gives Ahsoka a comm device
• Ahsoka flies away
• Final Vader scene

I like this structure. The Martez arc should lead into Siege, Anakin/Padme from Bad Batch should be included, and Practice Makes Perfect always deserved to have something ‘interesting’ done with it, so wrapping it round an Ahsoka introspection arc (and the one with its payoff) makes a lot of sense.

I agree with Dimitrios though, that Barriss doesn’t really belong- perhaps instead that should be paired with the Tales episode showing Ahsoka’s CW aftermath.

It’s looking good! Roughly how much do you expect to trim the show? From 75 episodes down to ~50?

The best advice I can give, and this applies to both the series and each episode, is to edit back to front. Start with those conclusions, that lovely payoff, then ensure you’re keeping everything (and ONLY everything!) that sets it up.

Must be something in the water. A further refinement:

A golden age is ending.
As corruption grips the Galactic
Republic, Queen Amidala stands
firm in defence of democracy.

In a shocking move, the powerful
Trade Federation has sent a
deadly war fleet to surround
her planet of Naboo. With the
Senate fearful to act, the
Supreme Chancellor has secretly
directed the Jedi Order, mystical
wielders of The Force, to
keep the peace.

Sensing a darker cause behind
this crisis, the Jedi dispatch
wise Master Qui-Gon Jinn, with
his young apprentice, to protect
the Queen and her people…

I like that, and DZ’s suggestion there. Ties back nicely to the issues faced by the Republic back at the start of TPM.

Well, I’ve just watched the Barriss episodes. A nice conclusion to her arc.

I’m very glad I cut her ‘Red lightsabers suit me’ moment from my Fall of Ahsoka episodes, I think that’s borne out nicely with the direction her character took here.

Up until the third Barriss episode, I’d kind of felt like maybe I could have put this all together, along with the last Ahsoka episode from Tales of the Jedi, and perhaps the final scene of Clone Wars featuring Vader finding Ahsoka’s lightsaber, into a single ‘aftermath’ episode. But the final Barriss episode ends after the Kenobi show, and I don’t want this to mess with a chronological watch too much.

I’ll add light notes to that effect in the spreadsheet, but I don’t think I’ll produce any content out of this.

And since the Inquisitors don’t feature in Bad Batch, I’d probably actually watch all three of these episodes either side of the Kenobi show in future watches (two before, one after) - they feel best placed there both thematically and chronologically, and that way the full Lyn/Fourth Sister arc plays through both shows properly.

JJB, now that there are a lot of edited lines and scenes, is it worth putting out a workprint so people can get a rough feel for all of this in place?

arabian said:

I also found the finale really strong, and a great ending to the show. I still maintain that beginning an edit before a show/season is done is not always the way to go because a general framing starts building up of how it will play out. If the season/show goes in a different direction, there is inevitable disappointment. I don’t think that’s fair to the show. (Shrugs) that’s just my opinion, though. I know it’s become more the norm to do it this way. Anyway, I do think you’re a brilliant editor.

I always edit back to front for this reason. The finale is where you get your payoff of plot and character storylines, and so I work backwards, making sure that I’m including anything that sets up those later payoffs.

I haven’t seen this season of BB, but I heard that the Zillo Beast features. I’ll definitely produce that episode as it’s become relevant. I doubt it’ll become one of my recommended ones (both because I’m sure the appearance in BB has its own context, and because BB itself doesn’t seem to have become relevant enough to garner a lot of cultural weight), but yep, I’ll make it and include it in place.

Tales of the Empire is soon to drop, and features Morgan Elsbeth and Barriss Offee.

It looks, from the trailers, like there might be a Morgan Elsbeth flashback to the Massacre episode, which I included in TCW:R as part of the episode ‘Retribution’, my s02e02. You might be wondering if I’m going to edit that episode to include the Elsbeth content.

I don’t plan to.

There’s a simple reason for this: TCW:R focuses on the narrative of the Clone Wars. It’s a similar situation to how I handled TCW season six’s Bad Batch arc - in that case, even though the Bad Batch episodes happened during the clone wars, really they’re part of a different narrative, the Bad Batch narrative. The Bad Batch arc of TCW really should be treated as ‘episode zero’ of the Bad Batch show, a flashback to set up its current narrative.

Similarly, whilst Morgan being present during the Nightsister Massacre is set during the Clone Wars, Morgan as a character doesn’t join the narrative in a significant way until Mando season two (at least 28 in-universe years later, or over about 70 real world hours of content later if watching chronologically). Or at least, assuming Morgan’s TOTE episodes are set during the Empire, her main narrative will happen somewhere in the Empire era, not during the Clone Wars.

I’ll likely acknowledge at least the Barriss Offee content in my ‘Follow-on content’ section, but I don’t think either will need to be incorporated into this show.

I don’t have a strong opinion one way or another, but is it necessary here to acknowledge Luke?