EddieDean

I’ll eventually do everything except the very worst episodes- in my spreadsheet you can see all of the extra ones I’ll do (their episode numbers are blue-on-black or yellow-on-black).

I’ve reviewed Citadel a few times and it just falls flat for me every time. I know it’s got Anakin/Tarkin, and Echo dies, but it’s a lot of inconsequential travel for extremely light character work.

That said, do try to convince me! If there’s something I’m missing- some great element I can focus an edit around- I’m all ears.

Since so many people mention it, I could do that episode early, maybe just a really light touch merging of the three episodes plus the conventions of TCW:R. Just cos y’all are cuties.

Alright, I’m back on the job! As per my previous post, I want to get some brand new episodes complete before I return to polish.

First up is the Kadavo slavery arc, which fits into a gap I had in season three. If you ignore the first episode of the arc altogether, it’s basically a good two-parter that’s not top tier but is a perfectly good all-rounder, with our core four characters all getting good development, bonus Plo Koon, a good enough slavery plot, good use of Dooku, and decent action.

You could easily start with the second episode, which I will do.

The first episode is quite worthless- too much time wasted fighting droids, defusing bombs, and fighting creatures, and Obi-Wan’s near-subjugation isn’t as good as the real emotional battering he takes in the third episode, so isn’t necessary.

There are three scenes that I could have included from episode one: Dooku capturing the togruta, Anakin’s posse finding them missing, and the Jedi Council giving Anakin’s posse the mission to rescue the togruta from slavers. But I think they’d only slow us down when the crawl can get us there quicker, and this way our energy stays higher for what’ll be a fairly long episode anyway.

As for the two remaining episodes, they barely need any work. A little merge between them, and the removal of a couple of shots (not even scenes) should do for us.

In the crawl, I might choose to reflect on the fact that the clones could be interpreted as Republic slaves, but only in a light way, since it’s not a heavy plot thread in the show.

This episode could have been bumped into season four, if I was going to include Citadel, but I really don’t think that arc is valuable even in spite of Tarkin’s presence and Echo’s (super throwaway) death.

That said, this episode does have similarities to my following two-part finale, the Onderon arc. The aesthetics, themes of rising up against oppression, and prime ministers betraying their monarchs all appear in both. So I might move this just a tad earlier if there’s room.

Anyway, it’s going to be an easy edit this one. Then it’s on to the first of season four and the return of Maul.

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Sorry for the lack of post or anything. I am alive and well and I am still working to get this finished. That being said, there were definite set backs and things to still get over but things in life have returned to normal enough to get back to this.
I suffered a computer crash during the pandemic that I didn’t have the available funds to worry about at the time. I eventually got a workable computer but not a good computer, just something I could go online with. Not anything that could do any real work though. I eventually was able to buy the parts to start building a better computer that was more than fast enough to handle everything I was doing. I still need to get some extra storage space in the next week or two, but after that I should be able to get back to work. The biggest thing to see still is if my old hard drive is still accessible as a slave to retrieve my old work files so I don’t have to start from scratch again. If I do have to its not the worse thing in the world for me as at least the work flow should go much faster than before. Im pretty sure the hard drive should be ok though.
I apologize for the absence but needed to focus my time and energy elsewhere during the pandemic and couldn’t justify getting a suped up computer at the time. I hope everyone else is doing good and I appreciate those who have shown interest in my edits. Soon as I can get some new content posted I absolutely will.

Your fanedit sounds great but could you go one step beyond if possible do two major things with this update the cgi with modern cgi and if possible update the lightsabers to look the way they do in the sequel trilogy because I think the effect is perfected in the sequel films it’s too bad the original trilogy lightsabers can’t be updated in that way. 😦

Somethings I will be trying to update as much as possible. As far as the Lightsabers, I am updating somethings to look more similar while one thing for sure, I am not. I am trying to add as much light cast from the sabers as I can, but as the old scenes were not filmed with an actual light up saber prop, there is only so much you can do in post. As for what im not changing to match, is the core of the saber. I don’t like the way it looks in Mandalorian when they swing the saber. This is more accurate to how a lit object being swung would look, I just don’t like it. I like the intense white core from the Og and prequel films that leaves a white streak when swung.

The only reason I asked about updating the cgi is things unreal engine 5 etc. really blew my mind and also the fan film vader when Vader goes to Naboo outside the palace of naboo looked better than it did in both ep 1 and 2. so yeah that made me sad lucas didn’t make the prequels later than he did in someways.

Yea I’ve seen some great stuff between Blender and the Unreal Engine but I don’t want to oversell myself just yet with no time or experience with them at the moment. I certainly would like to and I picked up the other stuff rather quick but we’ll see 😃

I hope you will be able to know use one or both of them one day for the prequels because it would be such a huge improvement for them this is what I also wish could be done for the good original trilogy cgi scenes. like cloud city the good parts of mos esley being expanded the Death Star assault using the original cuts song for jabba’s palace but just updating sly snootles and the return of the Jedi victory celebration keep the trash monster blinking I think it wasn’t a bad addition and remove the rest. maybe keep the Ewoks blinking I don’t know how I feel about that change.

I wouldn’t ask another editor to pick it up because it’s such a huge undertaking, but you’re right that we’re nearing consumer-available photorealism - especially of environments - with Unreal 5. Some of the environments they use in The Volume for filming the live-action TV shows use Unreal 5. I’d always swing in this direction, but maybe in the next breather when the dust settles on the current movies and TV shows, we should collectively try to deep dive and upskill in some of the new technologies. Unreal and Blender are free until you start making money off them, which is an awesome model for us editors.

I’m suprised that there appears to be such momentum behind editing Kenobi, because I’ve found it near flawless so far. Perhaps that’s just a lack of imagination!

I definitely agree with a couple of tweaks mentioned here though - both regarding editing. The Leia capture definitely felt like she got away far too easily and for far too long, so I’m all for a quick sneaky sack on the head. And like others here, seeing Obi-Wan escape from Vader screen right, but then re-emerge in the next shot screen right, did make it look like he realised he forgot his keys and needed to dash back to grab them off the kitchen table.

And with all respect to Hal as ever, I feel like it’s worth revisiting the discussion about the Padmé’s survival canon conflict. The Obi-Wan show might do some work to reconcile Padmé dying in childbirth with Leia’s memories of her - perhaps Leia mentions that she dreams of her “as if she’s still with me” or something. But if that doesn’t happen, and the conflict remains, then I think it’s worth establishing which side of the conflicting information carries the most ‘canonical’ weight, and which must yield. And if that’s the case, then I think we can safely argue that Padmé’s death in childbirth is the more canonical, having been explicitly shown in a movie, and referenced here. Back when the conflict only existed between two films, it made sense to yield to the cultural weight of the original trilogy, but now, no new media is going to imply she survived, and more yet may continue to reference her death. I don’t think it’d be wise for us to be beholden to the idea of her survival, and to be encouraged to remove all new and future references to her death. Rather, I’d propose that the logical option here would be to simply remove the conflicting line from ROTJ, in spite of the cultural weight of the original trilogy. Pluck that rock out of the stream and allow the water to continue to flow in the direction it appears to be naturally going.

That’s a stunning idea.

This’d be a VFX solution, but what if Starkiller just obliterated most of what looked like almost the entire Republic fleet, rather than anything to do with a planet? That way you preserve all the political infrastructure, but leave the Resistance as the only real military throughout the films, before the Republic military recovers in time for the sequels.

This would also explain why it’s a civilian fleet that’s needed at the climax of TROS.

As I think we all know, JJ originally wanted to destroy Coruscant, but was told not to, presumably for exactly this reason, so that everything that preceded his movie wasn’t just casually undone.

What would make the right ‘trilogy’ for the Rey Nobody version?

Both Nev’s TFA Starlight and Poppa’s TLJ Rekindled leant into the Palpatine angle, adding hints and forward references, but that makes them less suitable to precede a TROS Nobody finale.

Probably TFA Legendary, but I’m less familiar with TLJ edits.

Oooh, very interesting!

Just a couple of thoughts “from the outisde” now, Nev:

In the “one-shot Kyber cannon” scene, I feel like my line needs to be just a fraction earlier, for better lipsync.

(Though I’ll also definitely record new and alternate lines once we’ve compiled a list.)

In the “senate has voted” scene, I think my voice needs to be pulled a little deeper, to better match your “kyber cannon” line tweaks. I’m a little high-pitched by nature and the deeper voice better suits that actor’s face, I reckon.

Also, I’m just wondering if there’s any other reading that might best lipsync to the delivered line.

The original is “The Jakku village was wiped out”, and the most clear lip movements there are “aa-oo-ee-ws-wap”. The letters ‘w’ and ‘p’ have similar movements to ‘m’, ‘n’, ‘b’, and ‘t’, and some of the vowels are similar, so maybe for the part where he’s on screen, the best fit would be “A senate transmission”. (Try voicing it yourself over the muted clip, it matches well.)

“General? A senate transmission. They’ve voted to mobilize the fleet, but are hours from launch.” -perhaps?

Or “General? A senate transmission. The Republic fleet is mobilising, but is still hours away from launch.”?

Just realised I have a perfect tagline quote for this edit: “Your focus determines your reality.”

Anyway, just a minor update for you all: I’m just wrapping up some of the key things I was needing to get done in my life during my downtime from this project. I’ll be back to editing full time in about two months, I think. It was a much-needed pause, and I thank you all for accommodating it.

I’ve been thinking about where in the project to first focus my energy - and I think my appetite right now is to get cracking with all-new episodes rather than polishing existing ones. I’ll continue with the polish, but I’d like to drop a few more brand new episodes on the scene first before finding more of a balance there. That feels the most motivating to me, which I think is a sensible priority!

Cad Bane has a lot of good lines you could probably use, from both Clone Wars and Bad Batch, though Temuera doesn’t voice Boba in either show.

Interestingly, their main rivalry (as referenced in Book of Boba Fett) isn’t (yet?) seen on screen properly. It was originally intended to appear in an unfinished episode of Clone Wars (some of which does exist voiced in rough form, I think?), but they didn’t complete the episode. It may be that those ideas get revisited for a forthcoming episode of Bad Batch.

I mean, I’m totally open to redo any line if Nev or the community prefer.

The reason I liked “kyber” is mainly because it makes Starkiller’s link to Ilum that much closer, and it’s a nice tie to Rogue One and other recent canon that makes kyber more of a thing.

Going down the headcanon rabbit hole, you could even use the modern idea about lightsaber (kyber) crystal ‘bleeding’ to explain why the beam is red rather than the Death Star’s green (which could then take you even further down the rabbit hole of asking how powerful a Sith you’d need to ‘bleed’ a planet of kyber).

Plus, I think having it described as something unfamiliar and distinct helps it flow nicely with Snap’s next line about not knowing what to call it.

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No, no, I think there’s an argument to be made for bringing the Originals in line with modern aesthetic standard of the other two trilogies for consistency. Nobody on this forum is gonna advocate erasing the original cuts, so where’s the harm in it?

I fall on this side too. I think there’ll always be a place for both- the originals as untouched as possible, out of respect for the immense effort that went into their release; and that which brings the aesthetic to par with more modern movies.

It is really nice. It could also be something that fits during the Mortis arc as part of the vision sequence there.

It’s no trouble at all to keep recording lines! I already plan to redo what we have while looping the video so I can give lots of attempt at perfect lipsync. It’s no trouble, and alternate lines or emphasis suggestions are welcome!

There’re lots of good online tutorials to make ‘Star Wars Droid Sounds’. Generally you get a human voice first, then apply whatever modifiers distort it. If you had someone doing simple “yayyy” or “awww” sounds that they think fit D-O, then you could play with a few distortion options until we found the voice.

Admiral Ackbar, then?

I haven’t had the time to record the new lines yet, but taking Sherlock’s idea, what if we even name-check Admiral Raddus in TFA?

“General, the Senate has voted to approve reinforcements. Admiral Raddus is mobilising the fleet.”

I’m so honoured that you’re making a version that concludes TCW:Refocused, Del! ❤️

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I know it’s a little late in the game but If I had one thing I wish I’d address to suggest that always bugs me it’s Rey’s “Ugh” at the start and I find it so cringe. To me it something a petty girl in High School would do. Weird nit pic I know but I just feel something like that doesn’t belong in SW. I feel a cut to when she say’s “They’re not with me.” and then the shot where she just force roll fall after would work pretty good. I just wanted to see what other would think.

This bugs me too, but I think the shot continually tracks inwards IIRC. If it’s two separate shots, it would be simple to edit out yourself.

It does continually track. The only thing you could feasibly do with this from what I can tell is edit out the soundbite though it makes Rey’s expression look kind of off.

I wonder if you could make it a more inquisitive ‘huh?’

Ooh yeah that sells it really well. In movie language, all of the reactions in that scene say “she’s very ill”.

I knew having a posh English voice would come in handy one day! I’ll do some more takes.

That’s neat. My voice might suit that guy’s face, I’ll send you a couple of sample clips by PM.

A lot of interesting thoughts here.

If the Jedi begin on their mission to broker peace between Gungans and Naboo, then Jar Jar could simply be their go-between/guide/facilitator. (He could even be their Representative, which has supporting voice lines.) You also don’t necessarily need to have them leave in the bongo - after the Otoh Gunga scenes you could potentially cut to the second half of the scene where they originally meet Jar Jar, where the Jedi and Jar Jar talk more (ending with, for example, my ‘we must hurry’, eventually cutting back to them appearing in Theed having travelled there offscreen.)

Another option to preserve Otoh Gunga, though more radical and mutually exclusive from the above ideas, would be to have the Jedi visit the city upon their RETURN to Coruscant, failing to convince Boss Nass to help them but at least convincing him to meet the Queen, transitioning then into the Queen-meets-Boss-Nass scenes where she wins him over.

I just watched over the original TPM opening and goddamn it just plods and plods. It saps all of your energy away. The Neimoidian ship stuff is fairly poor, but the Otoh Gunga content in particular just stops the story in its tracks.

I’m certain that Otoh Gunga has to go. And that’s feasibly fixable via Jar Jar dialogue.

What’s lost in doing that though, is the context about the Gungans and Naboo land-dwellers not getting along, so you lose some of the context that’s paid off later when Boss Nass reappears and is won over by Padmé.

I was thinking about this a little more, and wondering what could be done. Potentially, we could allude to it a little plus explain the Jedi starting in the swamp if they’re on the planet (and near the swamps) to broker peace between the Gungans and Naboo. This would demonstrate their role as diplomats, and be a plotline that’s paid off later.

Challenge there would be that you could only carry that information in the crawl.

Which then got me thinking - what if the entire movie is framed as the story of Naboo? In many ways it is - it begins and ends there, and the Tattooine and Coruscant sections are about Padmé trying (albeit failing) to get help back to the planet.

If the entire story was centered on Naboo, that’d be quite easy to grasp - the jeopardy is to the citizens, and our main characters are ultimately working towards saving it from the Trade Federation (and shadowy benefactor). The audience would need less politics up front, but through the lens of Naboo the plot would slowly (in this movie and beyond) expand to a more galactic scope - which I think is fitting for the movie which comes chronologically first.

Perhaps then the crawl could be almost entirely Naboo focused, something like:

The planet Naboo is in danger.
The Jedi Order, mystical wielders
of THE FORCE and defenders of the
Galactic Republic, have foreseen
a crisis.

As tensions mount, Jedi Knight
Qui-Gon Jinn and his apprentice
have been dispatched to the
planet’s swamps in an attempt
to broker peace between the
people of Naboo and the native
Gungans.

As Naboo’s Queen Amidala, champion
of the people, waits, the greedy
TRADE FEDERATION have massed a
deadly fleet around the remote
world, the Republic’s Supreme
Chancellor has sent a small team
of ambassadors to defuse the
situation…