EddieDean

knights2023 said:

Just Watched the first movie of season 2. it flows brilliantly. I don’t think anything needs to changed. Though i did notice something strange. When the rebels are crawling through the jungle at around the 52 min mark a tie fighter engine can now be heard. this was not in the original version and seems like a strange addition. The Empire would not be patrolling yavin

I’ll check this.

Fath0m said:

Would love link to this !

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First movie is fully uploaded, and movie two just finished rendering.

The second movie, from episodes S02E04-S02E06 runs to 02h23m41s. Like the previous one I’m calling this a draft version but I don’t think there’s anything to fix.

This one doesn’t have any rearranging - NFB found elegant ways to smooth out the audio over the gaps. The only slight negative about this edit is you lose the instance of the radio noise over the Andor logo in episode S02E05 that carries the audience through into the episode - but it’s no great loss at all.

Season two is now in progress.

The first movie is rendering now, coming out at 02h11m22s. That’s episodes S02E01-S02E03, with some sensible reordering designed and executed by NFBisms at the transition points. He’s slid the scene of Cassian in space backwards by a few scenes - so now it’s not immediately following him flying to space, and also not working as an episode opener (cool but now unnecessary), giving us more time away from Andor after he does leave Yavin, and also now backing directly into his radio call with Kleya. It works better than the original this way.

I’ll get that uploaded ASAP - would anyone like a “preview” of it? (I’m pretty certain this will also be the final version of this movie.)

Onwards to movie six, from episodes S02E04-S02E06!

That’s essentially the plan, yeah. NFB said he could help on this one too- we’ll probably end up with a mashup of Hal’s plus NFB’s audio with a few tweaks.

Faelin said:

EddieDean said:

• I might also release two additional versions of two of my movies, for age appropriateness in different directions. The first, for adults, would be the “fuck the empire” version of the last movie of season one. The second, for children and those for whom it would be a step too far, is a version of the first movie of season two which removes any references to the attempted assault on Bix. I don’t want to deny the horrors or reality of sexual assault or its genuine association with authoritarian regimes, but I can understand people not wanting to have to face that in their Star Wars and would like to give them the option.

I like the idea of a version that removes the SA related scenes, but not as a children’s edit, but as an edit that is accessible to people who might find such content to be distressing.
An actual “children’s” edit might be something that makes Andor flow in with Rebels more closely in tone and style, perhaps revoicing mon mothma’s speech to be that as seen in rebels.

This latter idea might be, however something better suited for a different project.

Agreed in principle- Andor’s not ideal for kids either way. Definitely the primary audience would be adults wanting to avoid potentially uncomfortable content. That said, my daughter’s nine, and I reckon she could just about enjoy Andor, but I definitely wouldn’t want that scene in for her.

And yeah, changing Andor to suit kids completely is a far different project, and would probably cut a load, which isn’t really what I’m trying to achieve.

Agreed on trimming “little sister”, I thought that too. Baze and Chirrut were only lightly developed characters in what was an ensemble movie, but as a continuation of Andor they’re arguably even more minor, and the implication that this relationship has any meat to it is more distracting than cute.

I’d keep the Vader content though, Andor’s now transitioning towards the Original Trilogy so more Tarkin and Vader I think is important at this point for continuity flow.

I also wonder if it’s sacrilege or not to merge some of Andor and Rogue One? I think it would likely put people off, because it’d make this edit only compatible with itself, and I don’t think these would necessarily add value, but still, I’ll put it here for consideration.

I’m thinking around areas like:

• Introducing Krennic/Jyn earlier. There might be a place where the Rogue One opening scenes of Krennic hiring Galen, and Jyn fleeing until her discovery by Saw Gerrera, could be placed as a flashback bridged by present day Krennic and Saw scenes. That’d leave the flashback of Jyn as a child on Coruscant in her home with Galen and Krennic to work as the dream-flashback in Rogue One to remind us that this is the same character, and bring us back to the present. But likely, this idea wouldn’t work as it’d leave us multiple movies before returning to Jyn.
• Introducing Bodhi just a little earlier. Perhaps in the final arc of Andor, when we’re talking about Saw definitely being on Jedha, having Bodhi captured by Saw’s group, and then interrogated by Saw, in that episode. But again, probably not a value add.
• Shifting the shot of Bix and baby Andor to the very end of Rogue One, just pre-credits, as that final spark of continued hope.
• Maybe a couple of other scenes from the Andor finale into Rogue One, the ones that lead into the Tivix plotline.

…but I’m not super excited about any of these ideas, as I say, they’re just here to be considered.

I agree with those calling to reinstate the Andor/Tivik scene.

I’d also argue the following:

• I think it’s now worth reinstating Cassian’s instructions from Draven to kill Galen Erso. As you argued originally, it was to keep the audience in Jyn’s perspective and related to her line on trust. But in retrospect now we’re coming from the Andor show, I think its inclusion adds more value, by adding more tension to their mission earlier, given that the Andor we know is off to do something perfectly reasonable given the context but that will put him in conflict with our newly introduced focal/vital character.
• I’d remove the scene of Jyn climbing up out of the records vault and having to dodge a slicing door that’s for some reason on a weird open-shut timer. I don’t think it adds any legitimate threat, and only comes off as a bit goofy tonally.

ildiem, I like your suggestions, thanks! Messenger is great. Genocide is… maybe too spoilery to be a title? Perhaps ‘Flashpoint’?

I think I’ll most likely call Rogue One simply “Andor - S03E01 - Rogue One”, and name the project “Rogue One: The Andor Movie Omnibus Finale”, for the clearest possible communication of wot it iz.

What an incredible series. I just watched the full second half, followed immediately by Rogue One. Excellent to the last.

The plan:

• Season two is an easy fix. Some extremely light restructuring at the break points will be all that is sufficient. The only thing I thought might be slightly tricky is I think between episodes 8 and 9, which both had Cassian at his Ghorman plaza window but with slightly different tones, and between episodes 11 and 12, which both featured the assault on the safe house but also a lowering of tonal energy in the episode break. But I’m sure there’s an answer.
• I’ll put a bit more work into Rogue One. I’d like to use NFBism’s idea of Rogue One’s music over the most Andor-compliant version of the movie. That’ll probably be Hal’s version (no Bor Gullet, yes most franchise links) plus the Rings of Kafrene, with NFB’s Andor music, potentially with further polish and new music from Andor season two, depending on how much he’s up for that.
• I think it’s probably not sacrilege to make small changes to Rogue One, unlike how it would have been for Andor. I might take this just a little further, and make a few more tweaks to keep Rogue One as movie #9 of Andor Omnibus. One of these would be slightly making Jyn less of the main character. This would be extremely light touch, but I’m thinking of scenes where Jyn arrives on Andor and kind of immediately becomes the Rogue One leader - I don’t think Cassian should say “I volunteer” when he’s comfortable just outright disobeying rebel command and leading a team. I really don’t want to take anything away from Jyn’s character here - I really enjoyed how she actually comes off as a bit overzealous and undercautious compared to Andor’s more cautious combatants, which can now be justified as her being trained by Saw - but I just want to keep the tone a little more consistent and respect as much as possible of Andor’s new characterisation from the Andor show.
• I might also release two additional versions of two of my movies, for age appropriateness in different directions. The first, for adults, would be the “fuck the empire” version of the last movie of season one. The second, for children and those for whom it would be a step too far, is a version of the first movie of season two which removes any references to the attempted assault on Bix. I don’t want to deny the horrors or reality of sexual assault or its genuine association with authoritarian regimes, but I can understand people not wanting to have to face that in their Star Wars and would like to give them the option.

Yeah, Rings of Kafrene is essential bridging content now.

Cheers! For placement, I’d just put Empire/Underworld as per their chronology, Kenobi not too far after my show concludes, and yeah, the Coda around the time of Rebels, or at least after Kenobi.

Ooooh, I like both Compromise and Divergence…

Work on season two begins. Once again I’m working with NFBisms, who frankly is doing all the actual work so deserves all the credit here - really this season I’m his compiler and distributor.

We’re needing names for the first two arcs, so are open to suggestions. Ideally it’s a single word that’s nice and punchy. I was thinking ‘Connections’ for arc one (wedding, Syril family drama, Cass meeting rebels, Imperials seeking Ghorman, Ferrix folk on the grain planet), though that’s not super punchy. Perhaps Bindings?

Ah, apologies to both of you - I’ve now reached out via PM.

In general I try to discourage requests in this thread out of courtesy to other threads here which are in active development (and thus worthier discussion), but I was unaware of a new poster restriction. So fair enough! And besides, it’s Star Wars day! Enjoy.

Ahh, I see. I’m sure it’s fairly compatible- I’ve cut the one explicit reference I’m aware of, and removed things like Palpatine being Sidious.

But persoally I fall rather staunchly in the other camp- I feel like trying to dam the river of canon at any point is rather futile, and that instead we should just be placing rocks in the stream, improvements around which the shared canon can still freely flow.

And I don’t think there’s a human on Earth who doesn’t know that Anakin is Vader- and if they don’t, then Original Trilogy followed by everything chronologically remains a great introductory order.

Plus, Clone Wars kind of comes at this from the opposite of Adywan’s intention anyway- it does a lot to develop Anakin’s character towards what we know of Vader, arguably better than the prequel movies.

Either way, a fine suggestion, and one that I think this edit serves perfectly well.

What’s Adywan’s vision?

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Ooh! Certainly worth keeping an eye on.

I’m optimistic. Sounds like the first episode of Star Wars Tales from the Underworld features Ventress after the plot of her cut Clone Wars episodes that became a novel instead. It looks like there’s a plot point from the books that they’re undoing (I won’t be specific due to spoilers) but if it does that I may make an edit of it which doesn’t acknowledge the plot point they undo, so it can smoothly avoid the novel (and thus work cleanly as a continuation of TCW:R) for those who haven’t read the book.

Ooh, new animated show is going to be a Maul show! Love that, there’s still so much to this character to enjoy.

JoyOfEditing said:

EddieDean said:

Please keep all your edited shots well organised and on hand, I can see the community being very interested in building up a library of options!

Way ahead of you, Cap’n! Phase3 and I are tag-teaming on quite a few effects shots/restorations at the mo’, and I’m already beginning to organize a library of all of the work we’re doing. Not sure exactly how it’ll be hosted, but we’re recomposing/restoring shots from all six of George’s films, so there’ll be plenty for folks to play with.

Much appreciated, that’s awesome!

Please keep all your edited shots well organised and on hand, I can see the community being very interested in building up a library of options!