EddieDean

Movie #4 was a capable restructuring of a medium story. The original plotline wasn’t super interesting and suffered from too many epilogues, but you did a good job of putting it together and made the right call in shifting the Salvor/Gaal epilogue to movie #5. A perfectly decent step towards what comes next.

Movie #5 was excellent - really exciting, well polished, and well paced. I’ve not seen the original season two but this felt perfect in its subjects and execution. I can feel the show getting better and deserving the improved critical recognition, and I’m really glad I had your season one movies to get me to this point. Really good job, please keep at it!

Yeah, FoD is definitely a weird one!

I had considered putting the Ahsoka Training episode of TotJ within the finale (where it pays off), but I think it’s most useful as that pacer between seasons one and two, where we get to see her going through a bit of a maturing transition. It also works well as a bookend for some other story (or stories) due to its fragmented nature.

And Forces of Destiny, as you say, have some decent value but do throw off the tone a bit. I originally planned to mix it with some more content from the existing Tartakovsky cartoon, but that wasn’t vital to the plot of TCW:R (and also itself tonally unique), so when I realised I had TotJ to use as a bridge that became a natural marriage to become an odd, experimental little bonus episode.

I hadn’t considered post-credits, but I think in this case they wouldn’t quite work, mainly because people aren’t really expecting them, and one of the major goals of this project was to manage the users’ expectations (hence my comments in the spreadsheet, etc).

Either way, thanks for your feedback, and I’m really glad you enjoyed the edit and the original content!

I’ve just watched your movie #3, and it was my favourite one yet. Three very strong plotlines, very well paced internally and around each other, that keep the thrust of the whole show moving. Technically excellent too. Very very good work!

You mentioned making some trims for season 2’s content- without spoilers, how heavy are they? I’m not sure whether to watch your movies or the original episodic format first.

Thanks for the review, I’m so glad you enjoyed it!

Really good to hear positive feedback on Retribution - that was a fairly radical idea and a complex patch job but I’m glad you got the intended value add from it.

I see what you mean on Krell’s stunning. The actual technical cut works but the feel of the moments running to it make it a little jarring - it’s not telescoped quite as much as tone changes usually are in TCW. I’ll take that note.

I take your meaning on Citadel. I’m not sure what I have against that arc - I never considered it a standout, but so many people requested it that I clearly am an outlier. I’ll bump it up to the main list like the rest of the recommended episodes, with a ‘?’ for recommended (instead of blank), to give it more prominence and to let the viewer make that choice.

I don’t think I removed any actual force ghost context from Cosmic Force. I really enjoyed that whole arc and remember that when editing it all I really did was reorder some content to make the journey more of a vision quest than Yoda actually travelling physically to hot spots of the force. In fact, checking over my release notes, “all of the key beats are preserved, and any important mystical dialogue from a cut scene has found its way into another natural location.” So I think you’re getting as much context as the original episode has.

Outside of video game mechanics, it just doesn’t appear in other canon media for the last 25 years. I’d love to see it cut from this.

Smudger’s Clone Wars movie edits are the OG! Five are out there somewhere. I believe he’s announced he’s eager to complete the rest.

Wicketthewarrick, can you dial it down please? You might not realise it but the way you’re interacting with people here is coming off as pretty abrasive.

You’re welcome to your opinions but you’re arguing with everyone who challenges you, and then firstly not paying enough attention to understand what others are saying, and secondly not communicating clearly at all yourself. Please try to be more attentive to what people are saying to you, and maybe proofread your messages with an outsider’s perspective before hitting send, if you’d like to fit into the community better.

You’re also making a lot of requests for extremely specific fanedits. People rarely, if ever, make fanedits to order. In almost every case, fan edits either get made because an individual is passionate about their own specific ideas, or a community consensus arises around a well-thought-out idea that’s argued clearly and well. If you want specific edits which don’t already exist, I’d strongly advise you to either pick up the skills and put in the effort to make them yourself, or communicate your ideas far more clearly and see if they gain popular momentum.

If you read this post as criticism that you need to defend against, you’re taking the wrong message from it, and I’d advise you to breathe, take a minute, and read it again.

Extremely impressive and exciting, Acbagel!

Just to justify why I’m suggesting S02E05B for it:

• I prefer to open a season with an episode featuring all the main cast (in this case, Seven Warriors AKA Bounty Hunters).
• The season one finale features Bane, and the season two opening heavily features bounty hunters, and the season two finale has less bounty hunting, so putting it in the middle balances the season a bit more.
• The current S02E06 is a more minor episode heavily featuring only Anakin and Ahsoka, so having a solo Obi-Wan adventure pairs nicely with that.

That said, it’s entirely up to the viewer, and g00b’s placement is completely valid.

Aye, life’s taken me away from editing at the moment. That said, season two doesn’t need any restructuring, it’s literally just eight stitches, perhaps with a little light polish at the transition points, so should be a fairly accessible job if anyone else wanted to give it a crack.

Also the post I just made mentioned that it can be found on line 101.

This edit desperately deserves a glowing review! I’m finally picking this up and only two movies in, but absolutely loving it so far. Common consensus of the show, especially through season three, seems to be that the decision to deviate from the source books has borne out. And I certainly enjoyed season one in its original form for what it was, though found it extremely disjointed, with a lot of character revelations (especially their motivations) often being revealed after their actions. For me, the two movies I’ve seen so far completely remedy this, allowing the available content to be enjoyed in the most digestible manner. It’s a great effort and really well executed, and definitely the way I’d propose a first-time viewer watch this show.

One minor nitpick is that in the first two movies at least, some of the on-screen text (‘X years ago’ and planet names) is inconsistently sized/positioned relative to each other, and in one instance in the first movie some of that text is actually cut off by the new black bars at the bottom of the screen. This didn’t hamper my enjoyment of the content, though.

And one other question: Does season two jump around in time in the same way as season one, or is the original content told in chronological order?

RELEASED - S02E05b - The Hutt Cartel (v2.0)

• RELEASE VERSION.
• Special GUEST episode by g00b!
• This is a BONUS episode that isn’t part of the recommended viewing order (as it’s not vital to the plot of the clone wars) but which will certainly be of interest to fans of Hutt politics and Quinlan Vos, as it’s his only appearance!
• It’s placed early in season 2. I’d put it at s02e05b, and g00b recommends s02e00 (first episode of season 2).
• Comprising the original episode The Hunt for Ziro, with an added (edited) scene from Assassin.
• Running 25 minutes.
• DOWNLOAD LINK is in the tracker spreadsheet, PM me (or g00b) for access.
• Note: It’s recommended that you download this before watching, rather than streaming it directly from Google Drive.

By popular request, here’s a little treat - g00b’s created a lovely edit of this episode which uses all the TCW:R conventions (intros, outros, etc) and most importantly fixes the biggest issue with this storyline - the horrible voices! With new alien voices for both Ziro the Hutt and Sy Snootles, not only do we have the removal of that annoyance, but g00b’s taken the opportunity to write far better lines via subtitles. The story is now, frankly, completely watchable, and the best it could possibly be.

The huge upshot of this is that we now get to see Quinlan Vos onscreen, who was always the best part of this episode and much missed in my original edit.

Edits in g00b’s own words:

• Cut Obi-Wan overexplaining calling Quinlin Vos and calling him crazy
• Cut Cody saying the ships coming in from the west
• Cut Voss and Obi-Wan talking about Jabba and potential motives for a break out with a hostage negotiation… don’t need it. We just jump right to Voss’s info
• Cut from Voss mentioning Nal Hutta to their ship taking off.
• Reordered the Hutt council scene with Zero to take place AFTER Obi-Wan and Vos setup that he’s been broken out of prison.
• Completely rewrote the Hutt council scene. Used subs to change the dialogue of all the Huttese. The same basic premise of the episode is kept alive. Ziro has information on the hutt council that could damage them and if he’s kill it’ll be released to their allies who will then forsake the hutts.
• Complely redid Ziro’s voice. His voice is no longer so insufferable you want to turn the episode off AND he now speaks huttese.
• Inserted the footage from the end of s03e07 - with Cad Bane and Jabba. I’m rewriting this scene to have Jabba included to make the twist at the end make more sense.
• Cut Cad Bane saying the item he gave was the floor plans for the senate. Now he’s just finishing some odd job.
• Cut the protocol droids translations completely. Here, Cad Bane can speak Huttese but needs extra help with ancient huttese.
• Cut Bane playing hard to get for some reason…
• Made the Twilek dancer speak huttese to give better control over the scene
• Made Sy Snootles speak huttese - I understand the episode made her talk basic because she was a main character of this episode… but she CAN speak huttese… so why wouldn’t she on Nal Hutta???
• Now that Sy and Ziro both speak Huttese, I used this oppotunity to rewrite the script to better suit the narrative and give more hints towards the contents of the datapad.
• cut Cad Bane taking the job because in this edit he’s already gotten it.
• replace Ziro’s mothers voice so she speaks huttese. Hutts would not speak basic to one another…
• essentially reworked all conversations with Ziro and Sy to make a watchable better narrative.
• cut Sy’s final remarks at the end of the episode.

The new episode can be found on line 101 of the spreadsheet (in the ‘Extra Episodes’ section).

I’m really excited to be able to show off g00b’s excellent work here and consider it a true part of TCW:R.

Ah, nice, that sounds delightful!

Sorry to ask you to repeat yourself - I dug back through the history of this thread but couldn’t find a clear answer - which of your plans did you end up going for for your new Books 5 and 6? What’re the rough plot beats of both? If I remember correctly you’re pulling the BoBF content into Book 6, making Book 5 the start of Mando season 3?

Raditz, I’ve just gone over yours too. I do really like Thunderbolts coming early, as you have it. I might think about the kind of minor edits which might enable some of the better placements.

Yeah, I’d have liked to keep him too, but that plotline’s awful. I tried to keep his fight with Bane, but there wasnt anything else to connect it to. In the end I just had to pay him homage in one of the opening crawls.

Edit: g00b produced a great edit of this episode! Scroll down a bit!

I’ve come back to this again (why?) with a bit of a tightening now we know a lot more. I’m still aiming for eight movies/shows per phase, just because it looks nice in Plex and seems to pace seasons nicely. The eighth film in a phase should be a big one, and the fourth ideally is also fairly big/important, for good pacing of peaks. My focus is really on the core Marvel MCU as those blocks of eight, with stuff like Netflix Defenders, non-MCU Spidey and X-Men, and What if?, kind of living outside this.

The priority is still “Get plotlines which take characters off the board in earlier, and get plotlines which set up more stuff in later” because I think it’s best for cognitive load and flow to have the fewest dangling threads and new characters doing nothing in the background at a time.

But the main changes now are slightly more adherence to the original release order, mostly because as nice as it would be to move stuff like Brave New World and Thunderbolts earlier for closeness to their prequel sources, they require so much stuff to shift. This also helps keep the most content which directly refers to the Snap as early as possible so you feel its effects. There are still a couple of key exceptions to this - most notably Eternals.

One other thing I’ve tried to do is at least keep most related plots as close together as possible, so payoff is close, or multi-movie/show arcs (like Fisk) at least popping up once per phase.

I’ve also decided to move Loki Season One to right after Endgame, because while it’s a plot ‘opener’, it does follow most immediately from Endgame and it permits the moving of some other content earlier too.

But here’s where I’m at right now:

PHASE ONE: TESSERACT - As in original post.
PHASE TWO: ESCALATION - As in original post.
PHASE THREE: DISASSEMBLED - As in original post.

PHASE FOUR: AFTERMATH

• Loki S1 - Immediate consequence of Endgame, sets up unstable Kang-oriented multiverse.
• Spider-Man Far From Home - Aftermath of Tony’s death. Light mention of multiverse.
• Thor: Love and Thunder - Guardians and Thor. Takes Thor off the table.
• Falcon and Winter Soldier - Aftermath of Cap leaving this time period. Now we’ve dealt with the big three. Light touch for Wakanda, which we won’t return to for a while.
• Hawkeye - Aftermath for Hawkeye and Nat’s Death. Reintroduces Yelena.
• Guardians Holiday Special - Christmassy after Hawkeye.
• Ant-Man and Wasp: Quantumania - Aftermath for Ant-family.
• Guardians vol 3 - Conclusion for the Guardians, which deserves coming early.

By this point, we’ve taken a lot off the table and most characters aren’t exactly back in ‘active service’. But we also haven’t had a major global threat.

PHASE FIVE: MULTIVERSE

• Loki S2 - Deals with Kang, sets up a stable multiverse. This is where we can now get weird with it.
• Wandavision - Aftermath for Wanda and Vision (who are more ‘outsider’ Avengers). Bohner as a sort-of Multiverse reference. Takes them off the board for a while. Introduces Monica.
• Shang-Chi - First new main character, but also aftermath for Hulk, Wong, and Captain Marvel (our final ‘outsider’ Avengers) showing they’re mostly off the board. Final evidence that the Avengers aren’t really a thing any more.
• Spider-Man: No Way Home - The multiverse comes to 616. This one starts immediately after the previous Spidey, but then the legal squabbles could take around a year offscreen. Plus we’re not seeing Spidey again for a while so it’s good to pace him out - though this nicely takes him off the board.
• Echo - exactly eight movies/shows after Hawkeye, continuing that thread. Light impact, but good location for it.
• Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness - We travel the Multiverse. Takes Strange and Wanda off the board for now. X-Men featured.
• Ms. Marvel Second new main character, big references back to classic Avengers. Directly into-
• The Marvels First multiversal collision. Payoff for Fury, Monica, Captain Marvel, and Ms. Marvel. Nice overlap of cosmic and multiversal threads, and leaves Monica in an X-Men universe and has Ms. Marvel planning to gather the Young Avengers/Champions who’ve been slowly introduced.

Now we’ve had a full taste of Multiverse, given attention to all our main characters, and started to give attention to the new and what’s coming. Still no major global impact.

PHASE SIX: NEW WORLD ORDER

• Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - We see why T’Challa was off the board so long (RIP), and introduce Namor and Riri, and the new state of Wakanda which’ll be relevant Doomsday/Secret Wars.
• Eternals - Placed way later than release (I justify this in-universe as the Tiamat activation being related to a huge baby boom post-blip) because originally it had a huge global impact that remained unacknowledged. Many new characters.
• She-Hulk - Returns to Hulk and Abomination eight movies/shows after their light touch in Shang-Chi. Introduces She-Hulk, and an easter egg mentions Eternals.
• Captain America: Brave New World - Continues the Hulk revival, explicitly acknowledges Eternals, and positions new Cap back at the forefront of the response to global events.
• Daredevil: Born Again - eight movies/shows after Echo, continuing that thread, and firmly reestablishing Daredevil and Punisher after a slow reintroduction after Netflix.
• Agatha All Along - Twelve movies/shows after Agatha’s introduction, and eight after the last Wanda/Billy/Tommy story.
• Ironheart - Following Wakanda Forever, introducing a new very major character and reigniting the Iron Man legacy.
• Thunderbolts - Would have been nice to have earlier but it’s so dependent on other stuff. Takes a lot of C-listers and elevates them to a B-list teamup, and finally deals with the world’s lack of a true Avengers team. Setup for what’s to come.

And now we’ve got all the elements in play to set up Fantastic Four/Spider-Man 4/Defenders/Champions/Doomsday/Secret Wars, with the recent focus mainly being on the new characters.

REMAINDER

• Deadpool and Wolverine - The first movie of Phase Seven, really gives us the first proper collision with the X-Men universe and returns us to Loki’s Void, kicking off further Multiverse focus.
• Werewolf by Night and Moon Knight don’t impact the main story at all, and can end up a little closer to the now-rumoured Marvel Knights arc.
• Secret Invasion - can just be forgotten until it ever gets acknowledged, frankly, and doesn’t need to be before Captain Marvel.

I don’t plan to 😃

Just a note to say I’m rather busy right now so haven’t been able to make much progress on this. I think NFB is particularly busy too. If anyone’s game, feel free to go ahead and produce these edits (and take full credit, naturally) - they’re fairly straightforward stitchings without cutting anything.

Luke rebuilding his Saber for ROTJ is a big one.

I don’t know if that’s quite cinema quality, but it’s far better than I was expecting it to be!

I’d definitely be down for that, Broom.

I’d certainly take a copy of that audio thanks guys!

That one’s not a trim I’d make, I’m afraid. I’m still pro-bridging-content in as many cases as possible. “All of Star Wars is better than any of Star Wars” remains my mantra - no one show, not even Andor, should trump the franchise continuity.