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#1359637
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<em>REY NOBODY</em> - The 'Official' Fan-Editing Thread
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An alternative to Rey needing to be a Palpatine to have conflict, could be her struggles with the Dark. Force lightning, her relatively high power, it could all be because she leans towards it.

I saw a great interview with Dave Filoni (I think it was part of the BTS for Mandalorian) where he talks about why the fight between Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and Darth Maul is the ‘Duel of the Fates’ - it’s the duel for the fate of Anakin’s soul. He expands, that Qui-Gon is the first Jedi to realise the failing of the light side, and the issue with the Jedi serving a corruptible republic. He explains that, had Qui-Gon survived, that HE would have been the one to train Anakin, and would have raised Anakin to learn to manage and accept his darker side, rather than treat it as a binary thing to reject (at first) then allow to consume him (like Vader).

And remember, we have that through-line of Qui-Gon being the first one to be able to exist as a force ghost, passing it on to Yoda and Obi-Wan - the two other most enlightened jedi. So right from the beginning (well, the PT), it was intended that balance beat light or dark.

And I believe that the balance concept of Lucas’ scripts remained part of the intention in the ST. In the first Jedi temple, there’s the black/white buddha statue. Luke himself says “at the height of their power the Jedi failed to stop Palpatine” and that “it’s time for the Jedi to end”.

I think that leaves us with a solid through-line of Rey being the inheritor of that line of thought, from Qui-gon to Yoda to Obi-wan to Luke to deathbed-Vader to Rey, as the idea that balance is the way into force-heaven. Green lightsabers seem to be a signifier that they’re on this path.

And that conflict with the dark which becomes acceptance and balance doesn’t need to include a relationship with Palpatine, if it can be played up - while still being a satisfying conclusion to the entire saga.

(And in that context, Rey declaring herself “Nobody” works as she’s accepted who she is, just as declaring herself “Skywalker” implies “the inheritor to that line of enlightened thought”. Her creation of a gold lightsaber would signify her being the one to ‘conclude’/‘refine’ it, leading the next generation in balance.)

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#1358792
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Help managing my editing project?
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Hi folks, I’m embarking on a little project, where I’m going to edit multiple movies down into multiple episodes, and I need a bit of advice on how to manage the project using my editing software.

My main question is, should I be creating one project per episode (and adding in only all of the sources for that episode), or should I be creating one single project (which contains all the sources, then exports out only each episode in isolation)?

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#1358129
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Since we’re nearing a release, I thought it worth revisiting some of the earlier ideas which came out of the poll I did or in earlier discussion, but which haven’t seen much consideration recently. So, in case they warrant further thought and discussion, and in no particular order:

  • Making the smoke around Palpatine’s life support green, as a way of implying an arcane factor to Palpatine’s resurrection (with a hint of Nightsister magic for those who care)
  • Making Palpatine’s Final Order a bit more of a hodgepodge of new First Order troopers, older Original Trilogy troopers, and sith cultists
  • Rey Nobody, who was also not a factor in Palpatine’s plan - she was the one variable he didn’t predict, so upon learning about her he simply intended to kill her, before being defeated by her and the jonh ghost squad
  • Leaning more into the Dyad in prior movies, and possibly incorporating TLJ’s black/white buddha pool into the imagery somehow, though cutting the idea of consuming it being something Palpatine wants to do
  • Leia as the active cause of the Han Solo ‘memory’, and thus giving her last breath to help return her son to the light
  • Kylo’s survival and exile on Tattooine - redemption and penance without absolution, and we end with a Ben on Tattooine, just like Kenobi before him
  • Ajan Kloss as Naboo, to bring the PT into the ST, and for a fitting final rest for Leia

And the one I personally think would be brilliant, albeit for a lot of FX work:

  • Making Rey’s lightsaber blue but with Kylo’s crackling effect throughout. This would give payoff to the broken lightsaber in TLJ, imply that she’s a little broken/dark-leaning herself, symbolise a change to the skywalker legacy, and pay off the later decision to rebuild her own saber into gold later. But most valuably, it’d echo Kylo’s nicely, and then give some great imagery when she teleports it to Kylo - not only would it imply him turning towards the light, but it would give him the saber he thinks is his birthright but in a broken form.
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#1357597
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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DarkSpecter5K said:

Knight of Kalee said:

Hey! I remember someone in this forum once did a mock-up of a green Exegol, but I can’t remember who was.
I was thinking about that idea of suggesting Palpatine kept himself alive through arcane methods, maybe involving secrets learned from the Nightsisters. That could be accomplished by surrounding the ailing Palpatine and his machinery with a faint green mist, plus Nightsister magic sound effects pulled from the Clone Wars show.

Also, maybe that green color and magic SFX could be applied to the Force-draining when Palpatine restores himself. I was watching the original movie with my family and it was kind of funny for us how the draining effect looked like a Dementor’s kiss 😄

That actually makes sense, especially considering the zombie Nightsisters in Jedi Fallen Order

Yes! Always been a fan of anything that implies a link between Palpatine and the Nightsister magics as opposed to Sith magics. For me it always implied that Palps’ plans were wider than the Sith, or that he was especially desperate.

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#1353225
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COAXIUM BEBOP (CB-style Solo Fanedit)
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Yeah, Cowboy Bebop is absolutely worth checking out - especially if you “don’t like anime” (I don’t). It’s an incredible, mature, fun, realistic space opera. And its music is incredible. You could absolutely enjoy a Bebopified Solo movie without knowing the show, because so much of the style is captured by the music and it genuinely would suit Solo, but the show is magnificent whether you like anime or not.

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#1351687
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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As a counterpoint to the idea that Leia’s vision showed her son would die, remember, a major motivator for her in TFA was the idea they’d “lost” their son. So just like ‘Vader killed Anakin’, we can interpret that ‘Kylo killed Ben’, and that was why they called him lost. His fall was worse than his death, so I think the vision (which, yes, included his death) doesn’t need to be a prophecy which was ultimately fulfilled, because her main fear there, just like Luke’s major regret, was his fall to the darkside. His redemption is what she’s after.

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#1350344
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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specialk2121 said:

Hal 9000 said:

It’s weird to feel a little sad to see how… close to being sort of complete the cutlist is.

I’ll be real with you, it’s gonna be hard when this thing is finished.

If only there was a way to do a big watch party premiere when it’s done. To send the HAL9000 saga out with a bang!

We could get everyone on Discord and sync up a play of it!

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#1349338
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For TRoS Edits: Dialogue for the Knights of Ren! Come help!
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These are really great! I wasn’t sure about this idea at all, but seeing it, it really works! I don’t even really think you need another voice. Other than making what you already have a little clearer, I wouldn’t suggest anything else at all!

Preferences:

Pasaana:

  • “Solo’s Wookiee” (implies they have fairly good tabs on our resistance heroes and Ben’s wider life)
  • “I get his teeth” (or, “I get his hide”)

Kijimi:

  • “The girl. I feel her presence. Find her.” (“The girl” seems to be how the bad guys refer to Rey, as Kylo did in TFA when he was on the hunt for her. Find her keeps the intention ambiguous, so editors won’t need to work around this as they would with ‘Palpatine wants…’, etc)

Exegol Entrance:
I’d advise only using two - three feels a bit too full.

  • “Still chasing the girl, Ben?” (emphasises his turn, his feelings for Rey, and uses his old name, which they must surely consider an insult)
  • “Traitorous scum. To think we followed you.” (Best reference back to “master of the Knights of Ren”, makes it personal)

Exegol Pause:

  • “You’ll join your father soon” (‘Join’ better than ‘see’ because they might not believe in ghosts, but this one’s strongest as it twists the knife, and reminds us we’ve lost Han)

Exegol Saber:

  • “What?! How?!” (We recognise it as Luke’s so we don’t need the reminder, nor do we need them to account for ‘fairness’ - this plot element and new power should be a suprise, so their language here should just reflect that)
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#1346878
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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So what about shifting Mustafar to the ending of TLJ? He failed to convince Rey of his ideology and had her slam the mental door on him, he failed to defeat Luke Skywalker, he defeated Snoke. He’s in the right mindset to seek greater power. So we have the ‘find me’ radio scene, then we end on a quick montage of him travelling to Mustafar, slaughtering through the natives, and finding an object which is clearly a map. Mysterious! Angry Kylo leaves us in a nice dark place.

Then, with TROS, we open with him finally having followed the wayfinder.

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#1345962
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TROS Edit Opinions Poll - RESULTS &amp; ANALYSIS
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Yeah. It’s a bit flimsy, but that’s how the films have done it. Vader turned at the end and lobbed Palpatine down the shaft, and that plus a little chat with Luke were all we really needed to accept he’s now so good he gets to become a ghost.

Kylo wouldn’t be much different. He joined the fight versus Palpatine, healed Rey, got a kiss, then died. That’s roughly equivalent, for these purposes, and that’s why folks support it.

This is why I’m leaning way more to survival and exile. Firstly, the whole heal > kiss > die scene was just super clumsy either way. Secondly, that it just mirror’s Vader’s too closely, and I’d rather see something different. But mainly, because I think it’s more potent to see someone initially full of rage and confusion choose a life of penitence and peace.

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#1345544
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TROS Edit Opinions Poll - RESULTS &amp; ANALYSIS
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Hal 9000 said:

I agree 100%. I just wanted to play devil’s advocate about the bad guys and their former one-sidedness in fairness to the original point.

Yup, totally legitimate point. I enjoyed it being more explicit in the old EU, where it was used to good effect. It showed that Thrawn was considered valuable beyond the Imperials’ prejudice (like, uh, Ben Carson?), and in the Legacy comics it showed a more desperate Imperial remnant needing to turn to aliens to bolster their ranks. In both examples, potent and cool.

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#1345542
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TROS Edit Opinions Poll - RESULTS &amp; ANALYSIS
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RogueLeader said:

Nice post. Wasn’t expecting to for things to get deep.

Yeah, sorry. Didn’t want to, and I know it’s no fun, but I do kind of feel responsible for standing up for this kind of thing. Privilege isn’t a zero sum game, it’s not a limited resource we need to fight over, and I hate that people have to go through their lives with others wanting them to have less. Nobody loses out when we treat others as valid (except those who seek to deny others their validity; punch your local nazis, folks).

Seriously though, is having Leia die with Padme’s necklace in her hands a good idea?

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#1345541
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TROS Edit Opinions Poll - RESULTS &amp; ANALYSIS
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Chase Adams said:

Great post, but since when do Imperials have unnatural hair colours? 😐

Not hair colours specifically, but the Ralph McQuarrie art book (and I’m sure other sources) discuss how Lucas, right from the beginning, directed the artists in this way. The intention was that Imperials would use an unnatural colour scheme - black, white, grey, red - whereas rebels would use natural colours - browns, forest green, sky blue. There are exceptions but those guidelines were definitely given and broadly applied. So objecting to Holdo’s hair colour on that basis would be valid (though I think caring about that is a waste of a perfectly good care).

I for one can definitely imagine an Imperial (even in senior uniform) with pink hair looking pretty appropriate.

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#1345525
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TROS Edit Opinions Poll - RESULTS &amp; ANALYSIS
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Goddamn, I hate getting preachy, it’s not fun for anyone. But I know that being a woman or other non straight white cis male, and trying to just enjoy fun things, and having to see oppressive trash like this so frequently must be way more fucking invalidating and frustrating. Just fuck off and let us enjoy thinking about magic laser knights and pew pew spaceships together.

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#1345523
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TROS Edit Opinions Poll - RESULTS &amp; ANALYSIS
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Hal, your argument’s made in perfectly good faith, so please take this the same. The fact that Imperial/FO troops have historically been primarily male and implicitly (or explicitly only in the EU) prejudiced organisations is valid. Just as a valid opposition to Holdo having purple hair, is that there was an observed soft rule in early SW design that Imperials would use unnatural colours and rebels would use natural ones.

But there’s still a couple of issues. Firstly but least importantly, that it’s not a hard rule that Disney are breaking by having female roles like this, because it hasn’t been made explicit in core media that these organisations have these prejudices. And it’s not like even with an established rule, that a writer couldn’t introduce the change with a throwaway line. (Especially in Star Wars… If Palpatine can “somehow” return, the First Order can “somehow” have included more women in its ranks.)

But mostly, it’s that adherence to canon or implicit soft rules isn’t the motivation of that poster and other similar posters. I’ll need to make generalised assumptions about people now, but it feels very safe to say that quotes like “Kathleen Kennedy mandated…” or “whammen whammen whammen” or “admiral gender studies” indicate that such posters are formally or informally a part of the broader movement which seeks to continue to suppress accurate and equal female representation. Or, to put it more succinctly, it’s not about Star Wars at all, it’s about women.

And this is where we get subjective, but the world needs better female representation. It needs women growing up to believe they are valid, and strong, and deserving of all the opportunities and privileges and securities men have. It needs men to accept, support, and celebrate that. I’m not going to justify that statement because nobody wants a feminist rant right now, but my point here is that, while your argument about canon is valid, the real-world gain of representation is far greater than the minor impact on inexplicit soft canon. So I think that needs to be the determining factor here - it’s certainly why I personally didn’t consider the option for my poll. End of main response.

As an aside, I wish I could credit Disney for this, but again, motivation is key. I believe that Kathleen Kennedy / other writers / Disney are moving towards being progressive, but I believe they’re capitalist first. KK/OW/D may have minor progressive leanings (I believe KK takes genuine pride in representation of diversity), but I believe that the real reason that Disney and other large companies are shifting progressive is because that’s the way the markets are shifting right now. It’s only relatively recently that entertainment media, especially movies, have realised that women can be just as passionate and engaged (and marketable) fans as men, once the representation is there. For example, I love that Forces of Destiny has a strong female focus, because that representation is still the greater good, but I know that behind the scenes for Disney it’s an investment in growing their market share.

I believe this is why there is broad backlash from typical anti-progressive communities too - for those for whom a progressive world is seen as a threat, they see this change in representation and they want to create a backlash, because backlash can hit these companies in their bottom line - they’re speaking in capitalism, because that’s what these companies respond to. This is also why I think it’s likely that Disney would never lean too hard into explicitly showing “the baddies” as particularly prejudiced - because being told “racism is what baddies do”, or “sexism is what baddies do”, or similar, is still something that risks a money-damaging public backlash from the kind of people who oppose this culture shift.

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#1345258
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TROS Edit Opinions Poll - RESULTS &amp; ANALYSIS
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raphdude said:

Interesting poll! I’m sorry I missed out on it. Just curious, are you considering an option of undoing some of the female first order trooper voices/screams and making them male? I have a feeling Kathleen Kennedy sat there in the editing room and said, “Make that one a whammen, whammen, whammen here, put a whammen there, whammen soldier, whammen soldier, wabbit season, wabbit season!” Whoops!

I did not, and will not, consider asking about whether women should have the roles they have in this movie, or any other Star Wars movie, or for any other subject about which I might make a poll in my life. Decreasing the prominence of roles which represent the breadth and potential of female existence is not something I think is necessary or valid or, frankly, human. Thank you for your interest in the poll, I’m sorry to have missed your input. I’m afraid you’ll have to look elsewhere for help pursuing that idea, and insofar as I can make the request of you, I’d appreciate if you kept such lines of thought out of this thread.

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#1345189
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Revenge of the Sith (The New Canon Cut) [CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE]
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These clips are amazing.

Love the lightsaber discussion on the balcony, though I struggle to comprehend the first line.

Also, the slightly awkward “You’re beautiful because I’m so in love with you” scene could be cut to remove some clumsiness:
Anakin: “You’re so beautiful”
Padme: “So love has blinded you?”
Anakin: [Smiles with the wide, humorous smile and dismissive head shake before he originally says “No, no, it’s because I’m so in love with you”, but instead we just cut to-]
Padme: “It’s probably true.”
Anakin: [Gives the chuckle he gives before he originally says “That’s not exactly what I meant”]

This way it’s a genuine moment from Anakin, followed by a flirtatious but affectionate tease from Padme, which Anakin responds to with effectively “well you got me there!”