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#1288682
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SWOTFAN25 said:

DrDre said:

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

DrDre thank you for being civilized with your opinions as usual. It makes me angry that not all Star Wars fans can appreciate the ST, and I blame the creators for that. But IMO I do think there is meaningful and valuable storytelling going on thus far. You think that it’s too easy to just blame the fans, I agree with you. But it’s also too easy to blame the “evil kathleen kennedy disney franchise ruining greedy empire” as so many fans have so obviously have stated. Everybody thinks they understand the whole picture. If you look at both directors that being JJ and Rian, from what I have gathered they REALLY do give a shit. I don’t think its fair AT ALL to say none of the new creative vision matters. You can choose to see them as the “evil corporation” ruining my star wars, or you can view it as a group of people who despite common belief were actually given creative freedom. (Or obviously somewhere in the middle) Dre we all know about the modern day remake machine in hollywood, and we know it has infected Disney. But I personally don’t think its fair to say the ST is just a modern remake cash grab. If you personally weren’t emotionally affected by the new stories being told then honestly I wish you were. Dre I know you don’t like the new story, my only hope is that you along with many other fans try giving the story ANOTHER chance. That’s what the movies are ultimately about and its the ONLY reason why they are valuable. Everyone needs to stop carrying in all this extra baggage to these movies which are supposed to bring everybody together (which I know people will find ignorant to say). But this is the last one. Is it too much to ask people for once to stop pointing fingers at each other, come together, and enjoy this classic we all love? None of us would be here on this site if we didn’t have the utmost respect and love for the franchise. My point is, THIS IS IT. The last time we will see these characters we love on screen. The final performance of Carrie Fischer. The end to the saga. The last installment that REALLY MATTERS as far as me or you is concerned. Whether people like it or not, I’m just happy we’ve all had a place to come and discuss this stuff after all these years. I love this site. If anyone has read this far thanks for listening. Peace.

Thanks for your well thought out, and well written post. I don’t think the ST is just a cash grab. There’s inspired stuff and creativity in there, and overall I’m happy this generation can have their Star Wars. I’m cautiously optimistic about episode IX. I’m not expecting it to be the second coming, but an entertaining film nonetheless, and I guess after 40 years of history, that’s not a bad way to end the Skywalker saga.

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#1288665
Topic
Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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nl0428 said:

DrDre said:

SWOTFAN25 said:

Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

Honestly, that’s about Disney’s live-action remakes of their animated classics. I know that the reviews for their remake of The Lion King are coming out to be quite mixed, but save that for another topic/thread. This is about The Rise of Skywalker, which I can’t wait for. On top of all of that, I do have some thoughts on Galexy’s Edge which I may post in the thread for that at some point.

Actually it’s not imo. The ST thusfar has been a reimagining of the OT very much in the vein of Maleficent, or Alice in Wonderland. So, while it’s not a shot by shot remake like Lion King, I think it fits the nostalgia driven mold that Disney has created very well. Now that Palpatine appears to be back, it looks like in TROS we’re going to see the same evil defeated again in an Empire vs rebels scenario very similar to the OT with another fallen Jedi apprentice likely to redeem himself destroying old Palps. Now, I hope and expect there will be more new elements than in the previous two films, but it won’t alter the fact that the ST has thusfar followed a very similar trajectory as the OT, and thus my points stand.

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#1288647
Topic
Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SWOTFAN25 said:

Guys I’m so sick of all the hate. I love you guys here. Even the people who dislike the new films are for the most part civillized. But everywhere else I go I just encounter the hivemind. I just want to be excited for this thing, and I think the whole sequel trilogy has been butchered by the fans. Idk is anyone else just fed up with the all the internet bullshit?

I really want to get excited for episode IX too, but while the trailer got me pumped to a degree, the string of mediocre live action remakes, and the focus on nostalgia rather than fresh and original story telling dampens my excitement quite a bit. What’s everyone talking about in relation to episode IX? How a dead character is going to return, so more nostalgia. It’s not that I hate the new movies, and I think they’re all entertaining enough, and expect IX will be as well, but the fact that it’s a movie in my favourite franchise is not enough anymore. It’s too easy to blame the fans for all the negativity. There are certainly many bad elements in internet and fan culture, but while watching this drama unfold, I can’t help but feel a sense of dread with this enormous, and powerful media empire now having its fingers in most of our beloved properties, and franchises, trying to get its hands in our wallets month after month. There’s going to be more Star Wars movies, not because it makes narrative sense, but because it makes financial sense. The new movies need to be marketable, and recognizable, but need just enough new elements to keep people interested for the next one. I just can’t view these films in the same light anymore. The context of these films, and how they are made have changed, and I guess so have I. For every mediocre Star Wars film, remake, etc Disney churns out banking on our nostalgia, three or more original movies could have been made, perhaps the Star Wars of this generation, and that makes me sad. Billions of dollars are spent on both sides of the fence running in circles. It’s mind boggling if you really think about it. So, yeah there appears to be a lot of internet bullshit, but I see a lot of it as a symptom of a larger issue.

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#1288340
Topic
4k77 - shot by shot color grading
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Eddington said:

I have two questions DrDre.

  1. How your color graded version will be superior to Sanjuro’s color graded version? I’m asking because version 1.4 seems to have really good colors. It looks like a definite version (when it comes to colors). So much improvement compared to the original 1.1 release. I’m just wondering how in this case color grading could be better, but I suppose it could 😃 Or will it rather be a matter of personal taste and preferences and the changes will be really minimal?
  2. When can we expect your version? This year? Can you give us a month +/- ?
  1. Of course there’s always a degree of subjectivity, but my version is meant to be accurate to 35mm print colors, whilst also minimizing shot to shot inconsistencies. I don’t think Sanjuro intended his version to be accurate to the theatrical colors, although I agree his colors are a massive improvement over v1.1. I also think a shot by shot correction takes a lot of time, and whilst I am impressed by what he achieved in such limited time, ultimately there’s only so much you can do given the time frame.

  2. It’s difficult to give an estimate. First my color grade for 4k83 will be finished, which I expect to be done in a number of weeks with the color references finished, but like I said color correcting each shot individually takes up a lot of time, so it will be many months before it’s done.

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#1287743
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4k83 shot by shot color correction
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TK-949 said:

Imho, the ships in the first scene were always too grey/blue since the Special Edition. The Stardestroyers had a slight beige tone while the other ships were bluish grey. And Endor had a little bit of green. So I fiddled a little bit with a 4K83 screenshot. Maybe the TIEs are a little bit too purple. What do you think?

The colors were never that consistent throughout the OOT. The only film to more consistently feature beige star destroyers was ANH, and even there the tractor beam shot featured a blue star destroyer, or more likely a beige star destroyer lit with blue lighting.

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#1285789
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Star Wars Trilogy SE bluray color regrade
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sade1212 said:

Hey Dre, have you considered applying your colour grading sensibilities to the PT at all? Obviously AOTC and ROTS were shot digitally so the Bluray releases have, give or take an odd tint, the original colours, but I think it would be interesting to imagine the look they’d have if they were shot like the OT. Of course, it no longer falls under preservation, and there would be no reference film frames to work off or anything of the sort. Just something I’d be interested to see your take on if you ever fancy a break from your excellent work on Star Wars, Empire and Jedi.

I haven’t considered it, but once I finished the OT, it might be something to think about. 😃