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#1275926
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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For all the good elements in TLJ I have to admit I’m having a very difficult time accepting how RJ hit the reset button on the galaxy and its heroes. What doesn’t make sense to me is, that after the destruction of SKB the FO would reign the galaxy as stated in the opening crawl, later revised to controlling all major systems within weeks. Some here have claimed, that the FO doesn’t yet control the galaxy, and that the ending of the film suggests they might never reach that point, because of how inspired everyone is, because of Luke’s big illusion. However, this completely ignores the fact, that the Resistance suddenly becomes the rebellion again in this film, and is literally stated to be reborn by the end of it.

rebellion
/rɪˈbɛljən/
noun
an act of armed resistance to an established government or leader.
“the authorities put down a rebellion by landless colonials”
synonims: uprising, revolt, insurrection, mutiny, revolution, insurgence, insurgency, rising, rioting, riot.

In other words the Resistance can only become rebels, if the FO now represents the established government, otherwise the whole rebel designation makes no sense. For all its rehashing of ANH, and poor explaining of the bigger picture, TFA managed to at least present a state of the galaxy that seems pretty realistic. It makes sense that there would be Imperial remnants. It makes sense that Leia, given what she went through in the OT, would consider them a threat. It makes sense that the Republic, tired of war, would want to believe the FO can safely be ignored. In other words it provides a setup for a potentially very different conflict between a government struggling to maintain stability (and at what cost?), and a ruthless organization bent on terrorizing the galaxy, and destabalizing said government, whilst expanding its sphere of influence. However, despite the risks TLJ took in some of its character moments, its narrative outcome is a New Republic wiped from existence, and a tiny band of rebels resisting an Empire, the starting point of ANH. So, in terms of the big picture, the story has completely regressed back to where we started in 1977.

So much of what was established in the OT (and PT) was undone in the ST both from a narrative and a character perspective, and the best explanation we’ve been given thusfar is, that a lot can happen in thirty years (as long as what happens ultimately places us narratively in OT territory). Two of the big three turned into shells of their former selves, because of past failures that are only hinted at in flashbacks, and conversations, then find an ounce of redemption, and then die. Ben Solo was seduced by Snoke for some reason, Snoke was able to revive the Empire for some reason, the entire galaxy just gave up fighting once the Hosnian system was destroyed for some reason, the FO ends up with unlimited resources, despite the fact that SKB was destroyed for some reason. This kind of lazy storytelling to me is very unsatisfactory, and makes it very hard for me to get excited about the upcoming episode IX. For all the good acting, plot twists, great action and visuals, I can’t shake the sense, that the entire premise of the ST thusfar remains on very weak footing, and sadly fits perfectly in Disney’s currently successful business model of feeding off the nostalgia, that the general audience has for classic stories, whether it be through a modernized adaptation of the OT, or live remakes of their animated classics.

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#1275711
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

So many of these types of arguments are made in bad faith though, and many misrepresenting the events of the film. It’s not always the case, but many people taking issue with the execution of this perceived agenda are actually taking issue with the agenda itself, whether consciously or not.

It is an assumption, that these arguments are made in bad faith, and whether critics subconsciously take issue with the agenda. It is also a manner to invalidate an opposing opinion, which makes such assumptions suspect.

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#1275707
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

screams in the void said:

the whole thing of using the term social justice warrior as a pejorative when talking about super heroes is just plain stupid …of course they are social justice warriors …that is the whole damn point of them !

Well like the term Mary Sue, the term SJW has a different connotation now. I’ll quote wiki:

The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and engaging in disingenuous arguments.

A large part of the criticism of SJW’s is not in the goals that are pursued, but how these goals are pursued.

Yeah, I’m sure if you asked the average person who uses SJW pejoratively they would say “I agree with their goals, but not their methods” and not something like “They’re undermining masculinity and western civilization with their cultural marxist agenda”. Ever since people like Sargon started talking about them in 2014-2015, SJWs have been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the left.

Yes, and alt-right has been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the right. What’s your point? Left or right it generally involves those with a lack of respect for those with different perspectives.

Show me a video of some purple haired tumblrina killing 50 people in cold blood. Then we can talk about how both sides are just as bad. One side has done a very tangible harm to society, and the other has, what, made some overzealous blog posts. Throw all the complaints about Antifa you want, it doesn’t change the fact that their opponents stated goals are the discrimination, deportation, or deaths of millions of people.

Never heard of the Rote Armee Fraction, I see. For every Hitler, there is a Stalin, and for every Pinochet, a Kim Il Un, or a Castro. Extremism does not discriminate. Genocide has occured in the name of many socalled ideals, whether they be considered left or right.

You can point out any number of cold war atrocities on either side. That’s not the point, the point is that today, in the here and now, one side is committing a disproportionate amount of harm, and is a far greater threat than the other. If some Naxalite wannabes start killing people and gain a sizable amount of online clout and sympathy. I’ll be concerned. But so far, all I’ve seen is hostile action on the right and defensive measures on the left. Remember, this entire culture war thing started with some game journalists started getting death threats. And now, for the past couple of years, that online bullshit has started seeping into the real world.

The point is not to focus on sides, but on compassion, and understanding. History tells us, that it is not about sides, and the threat is not in persuing ideals, but how we choose to persue those ideals. It’s always too easy to conflate the ideals with the methods used to persue them.

Isn’t that exactly the issue with using SJW as a pejorative though? Some “SJWs” use methods that annoy (or worse), but now people throw around the term to describe anyone championing those ideals. Rian Johnson is an SJW because his film features more women in it than any other Star Wars film (amongst other things). But that’s an incredibly low bar, so it’s not like he cut all the men out to make it work. The ideal is something any decent person should agree with (better gender parity) and his method is highly innocuous (putting more women in a fantasy movie). But he’s an “SJW.” The term is dogshit.

The criticisms against TLJ go beyond putting more women in a fantasy movie. It’s directed against what some percieve as the dumbing down of male characters to make the female characters shine by comparison. It’s about what some consider a rather contrived conflict involving the witholding of crucial information to make a point about gender relations. It’s about a protagonist who obtains powers faster than any protagonist before her, and displays a distinct lack of character flaws, as if the creators are afraid to make her too vulnurable, thus making her a boring character to some. The term SJW follows from the assumption, that percieved flaws in the story, and characters follow from a conscious effort to push a political agenda. The pursuit of this agenda in the view of some critics allegedly took precedent over good story and characters. Now, we can debate, whether such flaws exist, or whether the creators were pursuing an agenda, but for the vast majority of TLJ’s critics it is a massive oversimplification to state it’s just a matter of more women in a fantasy movie.

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#1275700
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

screams in the void said:

the whole thing of using the term social justice warrior as a pejorative when talking about super heroes is just plain stupid …of course they are social justice warriors …that is the whole damn point of them !

Well like the term Mary Sue, the term SJW has a different connotation now. I’ll quote wiki:

The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and engaging in disingenuous arguments.

A large part of the criticism of SJW’s is not in the goals that are pursued, but how these goals are pursued.

Yeah, I’m sure if you asked the average person who uses SJW pejoratively they would say “I agree with their goals, but not their methods” and not something like “They’re undermining masculinity and western civilization with their cultural marxist agenda”. Ever since people like Sargon started talking about them in 2014-2015, SJWs have been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the left.

Yes, and alt-right has been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the right. What’s your point? Left or right it generally involves those with a lack of respect for those with different perspectives.

Show me a video of some purple haired tumblrina killing 50 people in cold blood. Then we can talk about how both sides are just as bad. One side has done a very tangible harm to society, and the other has, what, made some overzealous blog posts. Throw all the complaints about Antifa you want, it doesn’t change the fact that their opponents stated goals are the discrimination, deportation, or deaths of millions of people.

Never heard of the Rote Armee Fraction, I see. For every Hitler, there is a Stalin, and for every Pinochet, a Kim Il Un, or a Castro. Extremism does not discriminate. Genocide has occured in the name of many socalled ideals, whether they be considered left or right.

You can point out any number of cold war atrocities on either side. That’s not the point, the point is that today, in the here and now, one side is committing a disproportionate amount of harm, and is a far greater threat than the other. If some Naxalite wannabes start killing people and gain a sizable amount of online clout and sympathy. I’ll be concerned. But so far, all I’ve seen is hostile action on the right and defensive measures on the left. Remember, this entire culture war thing started with some game journalists started getting death threats. And now, for the past couple of years, that online bullshit has started seeping into the real world.

The point is not to focus on sides, but on compassion, and understanding. History tells us, that it is not about sides, and the threat is not in persuing ideals, but how we choose to persue those ideals. It’s always too easy to conflate the ideals with the methods used to persue them.

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#1275696
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

screams in the void said:

the whole thing of using the term social justice warrior as a pejorative when talking about super heroes is just plain stupid …of course they are social justice warriors …that is the whole damn point of them !

Well like the term Mary Sue, the term SJW has a different connotation now. I’ll quote wiki:

The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and engaging in disingenuous arguments.

A large part of the criticism of SJW’s is not in the goals that are pursued, but how these goals are pursued.

Yeah, I’m sure if you asked the average person who uses SJW pejoratively they would say “I agree with their goals, but not their methods” and not something like “They’re undermining masculinity and western civilization with their cultural marxist agenda”. Ever since people like Sargon started talking about them in 2014-2015, SJWs have been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the left.

Yes, and alt-right has been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the right. What’s your point? Left or right it generally involves those with a lack of respect for those with different perspectives.

Show me a video of some purple haired tumblrina killing 50 people in cold blood. Then we can talk about how both sides are just as bad. One side has done a very tangible harm to society, and the other has, what, made some overzealous blog posts. Throw all the complaints about Antifa you want, it doesn’t change the fact that their opponents stated goals are the discrimination, deportation, or deaths of millions of people.

Never heard of the Rote Armee Fraction, I see. For every Hitler, there is a Stalin, and for every Pinochet, a Kim Il Un, or a Castro. Extremism does not discriminate. Genocide has occured in the pursuit of many so called ideal societies, whether they be considered left wing or right wing.

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#1275693
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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screams in the void said:

so , how are those goals pursued and what are their methods ?

Well, as I stated it generally involves a lack of respect for other points of view, and an attitude of superiority, that gets on people’s nerves. I would charactarize a SJW as a person who so zealously persues his or her goals, that it even turns off those that generally might favour their point of view. In other words it becomes a counterproductive endeavour, which often devolves into an us versus them mentality, pointing fingers, and passing blame for the ills of society.

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#1275692
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

screams in the void said:

the whole thing of using the term social justice warrior as a pejorative when talking about super heroes is just plain stupid …of course they are social justice warriors …that is the whole damn point of them !

Well like the term Mary Sue, the term SJW has a different connotation now. I’ll quote wiki:

The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and engaging in disingenuous arguments.

A large part of the criticism of SJW’s is not in the goals that are pursued, but how these goals are pursued.

Yeah, I’m sure if you asked the average person who uses SJW pejoratively they would say “I agree with their goals, but not their methods” and not something like “They’re undermining masculinity and western civilization with their cultural marxist agenda”. Ever since people like Sargon started talking about them in 2014-2015, SJWs have been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the left.

Yes, and alt-right has been this nebulous boogieman that can encompass anyone and anything on the right. What’s your point? Left or right it generally involves those with a lack of respect for those with different perspectives.

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#1275688
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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screams in the void said:

yeah . wikipedia is a credible source…

You could use any dictionary. It is usually a derogotary term, that much is clear, and that negative connotation is clearly related to undesirable behaviour (in the eyes of critics of such behaviour).

Collins dictionary:

usually derogatory
a person who campaigns zealously and vociferously for causes associated with social justice

The urban dictionary:

A person who uses the fight for civil rights as an excuse to be rude, condescending, and sometimes violent for the purpose of relieving their frustrations or validating their sense of unwarranted moral superiority. The behaviors of Social justice warriors usually have a negative impact on the civil rights movement, turning away potential allies and fueling the resurgence of bigoted groups that scoop up people who have been burned or turned off by social justice warriors.

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#1275685
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

screams in the void said:

the whole thing of using the term social justice warrior as a pejorative when talking about super heroes is just plain stupid …of course they are social justice warriors …that is the whole damn point of them !

Well like the term Mary Sue, the term SJW has a different connotation now. I’ll quote wiki:

The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and engaging in disingenuous arguments.

A large part of the criticism of SJW’s is not in the goals that are pursued, but how these goals are pursued.

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#1275263
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

joefavs said:

Possible poster leak: https://thegeekiverse.com/possible-star-wars-episode-ix-poster-leaked/

EDIT: beaten to it.

If this poster is legit, it seems (at least from what we can make out from this poster), that we’re sadly still mostly recycling classic ship designs. The Knights of Ren look cool though… C-3PO with Chewie’s weaponary might suggest we’ll be saying goodbye to another classic character.

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#1275218
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Zachary VIII said:

DrDre said:

Zachary VIII said:

Has anyone else had a near 180 switch on their opinions of this movie? For about the first 9 months after TLJ came out I hated everything about it and thought it was the worst Star Wars movie since AotC. But, after re-watching the it and coming to appreciate the themes more than the action, my opinions softened a good deal.
I still have issues with the pacing and comedy, but I really like the direction with Luke and how he wasn’t just a fanservicey power fantasy that overshadowed everyone and saved the day singlehandedly. I think it’s a pretty decent Star Wars film, and it greatly annoys me how every comments section of any video relating to the ST inevitability has a million dweebs repeating the same nitpicky shallow complaints and whining about how Disney ruined Star Wars.

Seems a bit of an odd stance to admit you hated the movie for nine months, a rather extreme stance, and now that you personally changed your mind, stating the side of the fence you once belonged to consists of dweebs repeating the same nitpicky shallow complaints and whining about how Disney ruined Star Wars. I don’t think most of the Disney movies are very good, and I have my reasons for it, but I don’t hate them, and never did, nor would I call anyone a dweeb for expressing an opinion, whether in favour or against any of the movies.

You’re right. My choice of words was harsh. It’s just the amount of extreme negativity that floods much of the discussion around the Disney films is really exhausting. I don’t dislike people simply for not liking any of the films. And I think there are many valid criticisms. But I’ve seen so much hate directed, not only at the film and characters, but at the directors, actors and producers, that I don’t really have a high opinion of the people with those attitudes.

I agree, there’s just too much vitriol going around. Sadly, it’s pretty much been this way since TPM.

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#1275215
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Zachary VIII said:

Has anyone else had a near 180 switch on their opinions of this movie? For about the first 9 months after TLJ came out I hated everything about it and thought it was the worst Star Wars movie since AotC. But, after re-watching the it and coming to appreciate the themes more than the action, my opinions softened a good deal.
I still have issues with the pacing and comedy, but I really like the direction with Luke and how he wasn’t just a fanservicey power fantasy that overshadowed everyone and saved the day singlehandedly. I think it’s a pretty decent Star Wars film, and it greatly annoys me how every comments section of any video relating to the ST inevitability has a million dweebs repeating the same nitpicky shallow complaints and whining about how Disney ruined Star Wars.

Seems a bit of an odd stance to admit you hated the movie for nine months, a rather extreme stance, and now that you personally changed your mind, to state the side of the fence you once belonged to consists of dweebs repeating the same nitpicky shallow complaints and whining about how Disney ruined Star Wars. I don’t think most of the Disney movies are very good, and I have my reasons for it, but I don’t hate them, and never did, nor would I call anyone a dweeb for expressing an opinion, whether in favour or against any of the movies.

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#1274543
Topic
The Empire Strikes Back bluray regrade
Time

Here’s an update of the Luke meets Yoda scene.

A LUT will be provided after the weekend.

Edit:

It’s interesting to note, that Puggo Strikes Back seems to suggest, that the theatrical color grading had a nice balance of oranges, and blues for this scene, whereas the color grading is heavily scewed towards blues and greens for the bluray.

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#1274527
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The Empire Strikes Back bluray regrade
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MalàStrana said:

That’s very cool ! I like the regrade. I never noticed how dark were the bluray colors. Except on Dagobah: I prefer the bluray green colors though. It seems we’re losing lots of details with the regrade.

I’ve started from scratch, so the examples of the previous pages are not representative of how it will look. For the colors the 1997 SE telecine is the basis, but I also will use Puggo Strikes Back as a color reference.

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#1274498
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The Empire Strikes Back bluray regrade
Time

Following a request from Hal 9000, I decided to try and create some scene by scene LUTs to get the TESB bluray to look half descent, using the 1997 SE telecine as the basis, while adding a few touches of my own. I will make these LUTs freely available, as he’s not the first member to make this request.

Here’s the first set of frames.

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/1E21NNNU

LUT:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qYfl68kDNGmoSIBhMmrM3UCZCr6hI6tT/view?usp=sharing