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#1280635
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

The way you’ve twisted Rey’s story is so ridiculous that I’m honestly sad for you.

It’s not ridiculous, because many people feel this way about Rey, and have expressed this one way or the other. If a significant proportion of viewers feel she’s a poorly developed, and overpowered character, than that’s on the writers, who failed to write a character that resonates with an overwhelming majority of viewers, like many other protagonists we’ve witnessed in the past.

It works both ways. I really don’t understand what you see in such a mediocre character, and nothing I say can convince you otherwise. You speak of her innate goodness, as if that’s a good quality for a fictional character. I don’t get that. She’s not the worst character ever written, but that’s faint praise.

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#1280632
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DominicCobb said:

As I’ve stated before when this has come up, she’s looking for for her place in the world. At first she thinks she’s looking for someone to show her her purpose, by the end of TLJ she’s coming to understand that she’ll find her purpose on her own. Everything she does comes down to that and her innate goodness (which are connected, she longs for connection and is isolated but empathetic - look at her saving BB8, empathetic to his plight and ultimately finds kinship with him). Even without building the new Jedi she has still found the place she was looking for with her friends in the Resistance.

Her innate goodness is the problem I have with her. It’s stagnant and boring to me. The combination of innate goodness, and recieving powers from on high removes all chances of development, and choice. She doesn’t choose to commit herself to the hard life and sacrifice Qui-Gon Jinn speaks off in TPM, she just gets bestowed with these powers, and has to deal with it. She doesn’t choose to do the right thing after having faced temptation, she immediately does the right thing, because of her innate goodness. The growth in her character is severely limited by the fact, that she’s already ahead of everyone else morally and in terms her abilities pretty much from the get go. The story of Luke is like the poor guy, who through hard work, struggle, and sacrifice builds his fortune. The story of Rey is like the orphan girl who wins the lotery, and now we have to witness her “struggle” to spent all that money, that she immediately spends wisely from day one, without ever losing control like a normal person would.

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#1280618
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

We’ve been over this. Until the end of TLJ, she wasn’t trying to be a Jedi at all. She and Luke are very different.

Yes, but what does she want? In TFA she’s waiting for her family, and has to accept they’re not coming back. She is then forced through circumstance to accept this “gift” of the Force, that she has recieved. In TLJ she has apparently joined the Resistance, and seeks out Luke for council. Luke turns out to be a disappointment, and in her search for answers for the situation she’s been more or less forced into, she gets duped by Snoke in believing, that Ben Solo is the answer for her, and the Resistance. She escapes knowing her parents were drunks, and then having learned her past does not define her, she accepts her destiny to be the next Jedi. On the other hand she doesn’t really have any other purpose or relationships, that define her. Her only friend is Finn, a relationship, that wasn’t further developed in TLJ. All her mentors are dead. She has no history, or lineage. Being a Jedi gives meaning to what would otherwise be an empty existence. By the end of TLJ little remains, but to fulfill the destiny, that was chosen for her by the powers that be.

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#1280614
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

No I don’t think it’s just Rey at all. That’s one of the biggest points of the final scene of TLJ, showing that this is a potential that lives in many (random people) throughout the galaxy. I hope TROS delves into this aspect in some regard.

In the larger sense, in terms of what I’m explaining, it’s my interpretation and I think it’s good that it’s left to interpretation. In my mind where Rey gets her powers from doesn’t matter so much as what she chooses to do with them.

Which brings us back to motivation. It’s not just what she does, but why? Luke wanted to leave Tatooine, and join his friends in the Academy. He wanted to know who his father was, and follow in his footsteps. Luke has personal motivations for joining the fight, for wanting to be a Jedi. What is Rey’s motivation going into TROS? Why does she want to be a Jedi? Thusfar it seems, that it is, because the plot has forced her into this position. Her main motivation for going to find Luke, is the powers she recieved from on high. Then Luke disappoints, and she’s convinced through Snoke’s deception, that Ben Solo is the answer for the Resistance. Then that plan awry, she ends up saving the remains of the Resistance, and is now apparently the heir to the Jedi religion. Her entire character development is heavily plot driven, forced into her position in the story by circumstances.

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#1280594
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Star Wars Trilogy SE bluray color regrade
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Darth Lucas said:

DrDre said:

Here’s the next shot.

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

This is an unfortunate case of the bluray shot just not being very good. It’s clear so much of the detail was lost in the initial “restoration” process for this shot that brightening it up like that introduces so many ugly artifacts in the shadows.

Yes, it is a rough shot, and I think it was always rough even back in 1977, but fortunately it can be improved with some trickery:

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#1280241
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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nl0428 said:

screams in the void said:

this seems like the appropriate place to leave this …https://www.wired.com/story/cantina-talk-84/?fbclid=IwAR1n48i6qvujd1uo5PfHP9akBNWo6EZiB8GdvSQPBdXQqj0EnCXccHBbhxg&mbid=social_fb&utm_brand=wired&utm_campaign=wired&utm_medium=social&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=facebook be interesting to hear what people think …

I don’t believe this at all. These George Lucas rumors have been spreading for nearly every future Star Wars project.

This is not a rumor. It is fact. Abrams himself has stated, that they consulted Lucas while writing the script for TROS. He is the source in this instance.

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#1279574
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Estimating the original colors of the original Star Wars trilogy
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UnitéD2 said:

Dr Dre, enjoying your latest regrades, I rethought this thread : it’s a shame that it hasn’t been updated for three years and thus remained on page 17 of the section. So I found useful to bring it back to page 1, if you don’t mind. 😉

I don’t mind 😉.

I know that the color balanced version of TN1’s scan of the Spanish LPP (for many reasons), can’t be considered as an accurate source like the tech prints are. But I still think that, for colors, it is one of the most enticing version I’ve seen. I really love how contrasty (yeah, I know it’s probably too contrasty) and colorful it looks.

Here’s how it can look with a quick single correction.

It would be great if, one day, someone manage to give this color timing to a higher quality source.

Here’s roughly how I would correct it:

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#1279014
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

So nothing in TFA indicates that she accepted the call to action?

For me choice is about more than a call to action. It’s about motivation. What’s Rey’s motivation for joining the fight, or wanting to be a Jedi, what is she prepared to do, and sacrifice to succeed? What are the personal consequences for her, if she doesn’t succeed? In my view it should be about more than being instantly endowed with great powers, and almost instantly becoming a hero, because of some innate goodness or something, or that the universe turned you into the foil for Kylo Ren overnight. If we look at the end of TFA, I ask the question why does Rey go to find Luke? It seems her personal motivation seems little more than she’s recieved phenominal cosmic powers, and is in search of guidance. If not for those she would likely still be on Jakku waiting for her family. In many ways Rey’s still an empty vessel without any real personality after two films. I hope that changes with episode IX.

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#1278999
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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

You said she won the cosmic lottery. Lotteries are random. That means she was randomly chosen. That’s what that word means. And whether she was “chosen” or not is completely debatable.

Touché, but considering how virtuous, and perfect she is, I take back the cosmic lotery statement, and maintain she was chosen to be the hero:

“Darkness rises, and light to meet it.”

She is thus her destiny to be the defender of the light, not by choice.

That’s still your interpretation. It was someone’s destiny to defend the light. She made the choice to be that someone.

Little in the films indicate she made a choice to be the defender of the light. She has no motivation to join the fight, or be a Jedi, unlike Luke, who was shown to be bored out of his mind on Tatooine, and wanted to follow in his father’s footsteps, and even then it wasn’t clear whether he would be the hero, or take the quick and easy path. Rey didn’t work for it. It was just, shazam, and she had those powers, and thus became the light to Kylo’s darkness, apparently through the “will of the Force”, or whatever. The original idea behind the first film was, that anyone who put their mind to it, and put in the effort could tap into those powers, and become a Jedi. I don’t see how the ST’s events adhere more closely to this concept, than Lucas’ other films.

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#1278997
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

You said she won the cosmic lottery. Lotteries are random. That means she was randomly chosen. That’s what that word means. And whether she was “chosen” or not is completely debatable.

Touché, but considering how virtuous, and perfect she is, I take back the cosmic lotery statement, and maintain she was chosen to be the hero:

“Darkness rises, and light to meet it.”

She is thus her destiny to be the defender of the light, not by choice.

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#1278994
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Anchorhead said:

As soon as it became apparent that Rey wasn’t Rey Random, she became much less interesting to me. As is the sequel trilogy.

I must have missed that scene.

Rey has been chosen. She’s not a random person, or just anyone at the right moment, and the right time. The ST just replaced a genetic lotery with a cosmic lotery. The idea that any person can tap into the Force and be a Jedi through training, and hard work is as foreign to the ST as it was for the PT.

That’s just speculation.

You don’t choose what family your born into, so I don’t see much difference.

And she’s still random either way.

Being chosen and random are two different things. If it were random, some obnoxious smuck might also have recieved those powers.

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#1278988
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

Anchorhead said:

As soon as it became apparent that Rey wasn’t Rey Random, she became much less interesting to me. As is the sequel trilogy.

I must have missed that scene.

Rey has been chosen. She’s not a random person, or just anyone at the right moment, and the right time. The ST just replaced a genetic lotery with a cosmic lotery. The idea that any person can tap into the Force and be a Jedi through training, and hard work is as foreign to the ST as it was for the PT.

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#1278902
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Star Wars Trilogy SE bluray color regrade
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act on instinct said:

Maybe worth switching over to some other shots at this point? Was helpful at first using the same reference for a while but the slightness between the options can be a little maddening.

The brightness looks a quarter step too high in some places to me, but we all have different displays. I think this has been overall great progress, but I wonder where the rabbit hole ends.

my take:

I haven’t decided yet how bright the image will be. Here’s a less bright and contrasty alternative:

Edit:

I think I prefer this one.