DrDre

Thanks, and excellent!!! 😃

dahmage said:

devils advocate: but when sunlight filters through snow, isn’t it gonna be blue?

Sure, just not as blue as for the bluray. 😉

Another shot.

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/EJCCNNNU

It took a little while, but here’s another scene.

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/E9BJNNNU

LUT:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H6isW9424Ogz2HCjlKjIenzGQLgPejQo/view?usp=sharing

crissrudd4554 said:

DrDre said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Like before?

Well, it was slightly different in 2015. The day before the digital release dropped (which was the same week as Celebration IIRC) there was a report citing a “source” within LFL that the Han/Greedo scene had been altered yet again, this time back to its original pre-SE edit.

That report may yet turn out to be true. It could be a change that’s being saved for the 4k remaster.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn’t an OOT rumor that time. But Greedo shooting first is arguably the most controversial change George has made to these films. Changing it back to its original state would be a big deal all on its own.

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s important to note that the article’s source didn’t specifically say that we should expect the OOT the way that every other rumor has. They kind of hinted at it, but again, the point was more that there were 4K restorations happening, not that we’d get the original versions. That, to me, makes the article a bit more credible since it isn’t as speculative.

Yeah, but they also mention that Lucasfilm is thinking at least three discs per movie and that this Skywalker Saga release will “please fans.”

For the OT films, just what in the world could that possibly mean other than the unaltered version on one of those discs?!

Just visit some other Star Wars boards, and you’ll find that most fans are pleased with the SE. Many of them will argue, that they wouldn’t mind an OOT release, but they don’t view it as essential, and some don’t care for it at all. The OOT fans have sadly become a monority, so “please the fans” doesn’t have to imply an OOT release. The SE in the best state possible with a ton of previously unreleased extras will do that for most fans.

The whole “who shot first” thing is still widely associated with the Star Wars fandom. Pleasing the fans is an obvious nod to the OUT in this context. Whether this will happen or not is a different question.

To me this is nothing more than projecting your own views on the entire fandom. The days that “who shot first” was a big thing in the fandom are long past. The fans are a much wider and diverse group than our little community here on OT.com, many if not most who grew up with the PT, and the SE, and many who consider the SE superior to the original versions, and more consistent when viewed in the context of the saga as a whole. When people at Disney talk about pleasing the fans, they are most likely talking about the growing majority of fans, who would like to see the saga in the highest quality possible in combination with unreleased material, not the dwindling minority of OOT fans.

You are aware that those who want the OUT is not restricted to just this site correct?? I’m not saying the market for the OUT isn’t/hasn’t shrinking/shrunk with each passing day but I would not go as far to say this site represents 99% of those who want it. Just because there isn’t others who post about it doesn’t mean they don’t want it.

Hal 9000 said:

I only take issue with Star Wars fans’ opinions when they say they would the OOT not to ever be released alongside the ‘official’ versions.

That would literally be the only scenario it would happen. It ain’t gonna be like E.T. where Spielberg ultimately reversed his opinion and now the theatrical cut is only the available version. The SE’s of Star Wars are here to stay whether we’re happy about it or not. Whether they will coexist someday with the OUT is another story.

I’m very aware, because I’m also active on other boards, and one thing that struck me is, that you often meet the same people who advocate the release of the OOT, while the majority doesn’t seem to care all that much, beyond viewing the OOT as a curiousity, that they might be interested in owning, while their go-to versions will remain the SE. In other words as I said before, the OOT seems nice to have, but not essential to the majority of fans.

moviefreakedmind said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Like before?

Well, it was slightly different in 2015. The day before the digital release dropped (which was the same week as Celebration IIRC) there was a report citing a “source” within LFL that the Han/Greedo scene had been altered yet again, this time back to its original pre-SE edit.

That report may yet turn out to be true. It could be a change that’s being saved for the 4k remaster.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn’t an OOT rumor that time. But Greedo shooting first is arguably the most controversial change George has made to these films. Changing it back to its original state would be a big deal all on its own.

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s important to note that the article’s source didn’t specifically say that we should expect the OOT the way that every other rumor has. They kind of hinted at it, but again, the point was more that there were 4K restorations happening, not that we’d get the original versions. That, to me, makes the article a bit more credible since it isn’t as speculative.

Yeah, but they also mention that Lucasfilm is thinking at least three discs per movie and that this Skywalker Saga release will “please fans.”

For the OT films, just what in the world could that possibly mean other than the unaltered version on one of those discs?!

Just visit some other Star Wars boards, and you’ll find that most fans are pleased with the SE. Many of them will argue, that they wouldn’t mind an OOT release, but they don’t view it as essential, and some don’t care for it at all. The OOT fans have sadly become a monority, so “please the fans” doesn’t have to imply an OOT release. The SE in the best state possible with a ton of previously unreleased extras will do that for most fans.

The whole “who shot first” thing is still widely associated with the Star Wars fandom. Pleasing the fans is an obvious nod to the OUT in this context. Whether this will happen or not is a different question.

To me this is nothing more than projecting your own views on the entire fandom. The days that “who shot first” was a big thing in the fandom are long past. The fans are a much wider and diverse group than our little community here on OT.com, many if not most who grew up with the PT, and the SE, and many who consider the SE superior to the original versions, and more consistent when viewed in the context of the saga as a whole. When people at Disney talk about pleasing the fans, they are most likely talking about the growing majority of fans, who would like to see the saga in the highest quality possible in combination with unreleased material, not the dwindling minority of OOT fans.

Fang Zei said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Like before?

Well, it was slightly different in 2015. The day before the digital release dropped (which was the same week as Celebration IIRC) there was a report citing a “source” within LFL that the Han/Greedo scene had been altered yet again, this time back to its original pre-SE edit.

That report may yet turn out to be true. It could be a change that’s being saved for the 4k remaster.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn’t an OOT rumor that time. But Greedo shooting first is arguably the most controversial change George has made to these films. Changing it back to its original state would be a big deal all on its own.

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s important to note that the article’s source didn’t specifically say that we should expect the OOT the way that every other rumor has. They kind of hinted at it, but again, the point was more that there were 4K restorations happening, not that we’d get the original versions. That, to me, makes the article a bit more credible since it isn’t as speculative.

Yeah, but they also mention that Lucasfilm is thinking at least three discs per movie and that this Skywalker Saga release will “please fans.”

For the OT films, just what in the world could that possibly mean other than the unaltered version on one of those discs?!

Just visit some other Star Wars boards, and you’ll find that most fans are pleased with the SE. Many of them will argue, that they wouldn’t mind an OOT release, but they don’t view it as essential, and some don’t care for it at all. The OOT fans have sadly become a monority, so “please the fans” doesn’t have to imply an OOT release. The SE in the best state possible with a ton of previously unreleased extras will do that for most fans.

Here are two more regrades.

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/EB0CNNNU

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/EB11NNNU

Fang Zei said:

The part about “Four discs per film for the 4k, three for the standard blu” made my heart sink a little, since that might mean they’re once again going to give the two different versions unequal treatment, with the 4k UHD only including the SE in 4k and relegating the unaltered version to 1080p.

When we have actual 4k transfers of these movies made by the fans and LFL actually has the ability to do us one better with a professional cleanup from a scan of higher quality elements only they possess, it would be a real shame if they gave us the OOT only to lock it into a level of quality from 13 years ago. Deja vu, man.

Again, this is assuming anything in this article isn’t total clickbait bs. The timing makes it highly suspect.

My guess is, that they will respect Lucas’ wishes by not restoring the OOT as a whole. What they might possibly do, is to release a whole bunch of restored unreleased footage at 1080p, and in those same extras include the restored OOT scenes.

“This movie had a very, very specific challenge, which was to take eight films and give an ending to three trilogies, and so we had to look at, what is the bigger story? We had conversations amongst ourselves, we met with George Lucas before we started writing the script,” Abrams, who co-wrote and directed both “The Force Awakens” and “The Rise of Skywalker,” told IGN.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/04/george-lucas-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-jj-abrams-1202058551/amp/

Funny image for critics of TLJ:

https://www.thedigitalfix.com/film/content/105409/exclusive-skywalker-saga-4k/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

Update (22:20 on 11/04/19): Following a second conversation our contact helped clarify that Disney are working towards delivering something that will “please fans” and that the original material has come from a “variety of source … much of the original film and negative stock was in poor condition even before George worked on the Special Editions” and the restoration team sought out the “best possible version” of each scene within the LucasFilm and Fox archives. The original trilogy 4K remaster was started way back in 2014 and has been through a number of iterations as new alternative/better copies of some scenes have come to light. The print watched by Gareth Edwards has had some improvement since he viewed it but everything other than Episodes II and III has been locked in now.

I liked the trailer. Didn’t think I could get excited again for a Star Wars film after TLJ, but…

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…and another…

Bluray:

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Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/1CMCNNNU

Here’s the next shot.

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/1C11NNNU

joefavs said:

Has anyone been to any of those live orchestra screenings recently? I’m going to one of ANH in Boston next month, and I’m wondering if it’ll be the same old Lowry master or something else, like the version shown at the Alamo marathon a little while back that was purportedly a hybrid of the long-teased new master with the CGI shots from the Lowry. I know I shouldn’t get my hopes up, but the last time I went to one of these it was Amadeus, and they showed a previously-unknown HD version of the theatrical cut for that, so I wouldn’t be too surprised to see something new.

I went last summer, and it was just the old master sadly. Still an awesome experience, though. Will be seeing Empire with a live orchestra this summmer. 😃

Here’s another frame from the same shot.

Bluray:

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Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/1C1MNNNU

Here’s the second shot.

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/YZYWNNNX

It’s been a little quiet on this front. Having to divide my time between being a parent to a wonderful young boy, and these projects is challenging, but I found a way to go forward. I will be attempting to create the best shot possible given my own capabilities, and the references available. I will try to get at least one shot finished each day. As I will be using NeverarGreat’s great work as the source, I hope to get a V1 out there relatively soon, that takes advantage of the good consistency in NeverarGreat’s work. Anyway, I’m focussing on getting the most of of the bluray, and so quality to me matters more than speed. I already shared the first shot in NeverarGreat’s thread.

Bluray:

Bluray regraded:

Comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/1CJJNNNU

Here’s a short video I made to show how the colors look in motion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpKrtzV57Gs&feature=youtu.be

Here is a link to download a higher quality version, since the youtube conversion seem to have affected the brightness and saturation somewhat:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dakoKSU56NaFfIpshNGhHF-fvl6-XbDp/view?usp=drivesdk

Here’s a short video I made to show how the colors look in motion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpKrtzV57Gs&feature=youtu.be

Edit:

Here is a link to download a higher quality version, since the youtube conversion seem to have affected the brightness and saturation somewhat:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dakoKSU56NaFfIpshNGhHF-fvl6-XbDp/view?usp=drivesdk

NeverarGreat said:

I’m hoping to get the fully complete version of this out soon, but in the meantime I decided to use the updated Color Correction tools in Premiere 2019 to see if I couldn’t improve one of the shots that I felt never got its due in version 1:

https://diff.pics/hPh52iqZu7jm/1

The second image is the Tech V1, notice the flat and orange skintones versus the update.

While I would say the shot is improved, I still think it could be better. Judging the shot on its own terms, I personally feel it is too contrasty, and the skin tones are still too orange. The orange push that affects the skin tones seems to affect other areas of the frame as well, as officer Bast’s clothes take on a reddish/brownish tone in certain areas. I actually have frames for this shot at home:

The skin tones are less orange, and the overall look of the scene is noticeably cooler, due to the use of blue lighting. Using these frames as a reference, and taking into account the issues I have mentioned, I would grade the shot like this for a technicolor version:

Here’s what it looks like when corrected for the technicolor green cast:

Here’s a comparison:

http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/121JNNNU

That looks really good!!! 😃 The project is going slowly. I’m trying to get a color correction for TESB finished asap, so that’s taking up most of the time available to me. I did do a correction of the Derann print preservation, that might come in handy for this project:

dgraham414 said:

A funny thing happened at work today that I thought could be good for discussing TLJ.
I work at a Maths Tutoring facility and was tutoring two ten year olds through their course work and we got on the topic of Star Wars for whatever reason, during that we were talking about the Prequels and the Originals, going over how the Wampa scene is freaking awesome and Darth Maul looks so scary.

They just kept telling me all of their favorite things about all of the movies, and in that same breathe of excitement for the orignals and the prequels one of the kids started describing the scene where Kylo kills Snoke as this amazing thing and how it was “so cool.” I know that us older fans are looking into the “Metaness” of all of the implications and the fact that were invested in where the story threads are going, but it really hit me how this kid didn’t think of any of that. All he saw was an amazing scene that he thought was so cool and showed Kylo’s genius.

I’m not trying to say that this in any way discounts the faults of TLJ or the perceived faults of Disney Star Wars, but it was so great to actually see it through a child’s eyes again.

I personally feel the ST actually works better as a reboot of sorts than a natural continuation of an existing story, which in a sense is how children and new fans experience the story, without baggage so to speak.

pleasehello said:

DrDre said:

I started wondering why we as a movie viewing audience are so uncritical of this Trojan Horse in our wallets feeding on our nostalgia?

I don’t think this is just a recent Disney thing. I know guys who have had Trojans in their wallets for years.

I agree, but it is the first time, that a company like Disney has this much power, and openly embraces the remake strategy with big budget remakes, adaptations, and sequels planned for years to come. Even Pixar which thusfar had a very good reputation for making original content, is now churning out mostly sequels to past hits. In this atmosphere we might expect Disney to keep milking existing Star Wars lore, rather than adding to it, or at most add to it in very small doses.