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#1511922
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The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - 4K Dremastered (Released!)
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This thread is dedicated to a 4K upscale and AI remastering of the 2009 theatrical bluray release of TROTK. While I generally like the new HDR color grade of the official 4K release, the excessive DNR has scrubbed away a lot of detail. So, this here is my attempt at creating a 4K version of TROTK (and the other two films) that does have the clarity, detail and fine layer of grain we come to expect from a 4K release. I chose to use the 2009 bluray, because it has the theatrical color grade, and it doesn’t suffer from black crush like the extended bluray release.

Also available: The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - 4K-Dremastered & The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers - 4K-Dremastered

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Lord-of-the-Rings-The-Fellowship-of-the-Ring-4K-Dremastered-Released/id/99018#1504015

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Lord-of-the-Rings-The-Two-Towers-4K-Dremastered-Released/id/99019

Here are a number of screencaps from TROTK 4K Dremastered:

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#1505446
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Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - 4K Dremastered (Released!)
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coreyatad said:

Do you have any plans to do this with the extended editions? Fellowship would be tricky for that with the green tint, though I know another project a few years ago used the chroma from the DVD release to help with scenes that were too tricky to simply regrade.

Not at the moment. The extended editions have a lot of issues, such as black crush and missing details due to flattening of the color curves aside from the issues you addressed.

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#1504339
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The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers - 4K Dremastered (Released!)
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Fullmetaled said:

DrDre said:

Fullmetaled said:

Are you going to add your own hdr grade to the lotr extended cut trilogy?

No, I’m happy with the theatrical colors.

So you won’t take the theatrical colors and enhance with hdr?

I don’t have the expertise, and since the source is 8 bit color depth, there’s not enough color depth to work with for an HDR color grade.

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#1504083
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The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers - 4K Dremastered (Released!)
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Fullmetaled said:

DrDre said:

Fullmetaled said:

Wow this is incredible this looks like what the 4k blu rays could have looked like and it’s sad again a fan does what studio should have and could have done. does this fanfix keep detail like the top of Gandalf’s staff and make the scene on the bridge look proper again?

The staff scene is in TROTK, but yes that detail should be preserved, and even enhanced when it will be released.

Awesome is it just the lord of the rings extended edition trilogy you are doing or are you doing the hobbit trilogy too? It’s funny how the official release smeared the stone work it looks out of focus.

I haven’t made up my mind about The Hobbit Trilogy. So, maybe?

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#1504064
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The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers - 4K Dremastered (Released!)
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Fullmetaled said:

Wow this is incredible this looks like what the 4k blu rays could have looked like and it’s sad again a fan does what studio should have and could have done. does this fanfix keep detail like the top of Gandalf’s staff and make the scene on the bridge look proper again?

The staff scene is in TROTK, but yes that detail should be preserved, and even enhanced when it will be released.

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#1504039
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The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers - 4K Dremastered (Released!)
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The official 4K release of TTT has some of the worst DNR in the trilogy. Here’s an example:

Here’s how the same shot looks for 4K Dremastered, where the colors have been matched to the official release for this comparison:

The color grading of the official 4K release is also very different from the original. Here’s the same shot of 4K Dremastered with the original colors:

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#1504016
Topic
The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers - 4K Dremastered (Released!)
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This thread is dedicated to a 4K upscale and AI remastering of the 2009 theatrical bluray release of TTT. While I generally like the new HDR color grade of the official 4K release, the excessive DNR has scrubbed away a lot of detail. So, this here is my attempt at creating a 4K version of TTT (and the other two films) that does have the clarity, detail and fine layer of grain we come to expect from a 4K release. I chose to use the 2009 bluray, because it has the theatrical color grade, and it doesn’t suffer from black crush like the extended bluray release.

Also available: The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - 4K-Dremastered & The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the Kings - 4K-Dremastered

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Lord-of-the-Rings-The-Fellowship-of-the-Ring-4K-Dremastered-Released/id/99018#1504015

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Lord-of-the-Rings-The-Return-of-the-King-4K-Dremastered-Released/id/100445

Here are a number of screencaps from TTT 4K Dremastered:

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#1504015
Topic
Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - 4K Dremastered (Released!)
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This thread is dedicated to a 4K upscale and AI remastering of the 2009 theatrical bluray release of FOTR. While I generally like the new HDR color grade of the official 4K release, the excessive DNR has scrubbed away a lot of detail. So, this here is my attempt at creating a 4K version of FOTR (and the other two films) that does have the clarity, detail and fine layer of grain we come to expect from a 4K release. I chose to use the 2009 bluray, because it has the theatrical color grade, and it doesn’t suffer from black crush like the extended bluray release.

Also available: The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers - 4K-Dremastered & The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the Kings - 4K-Dremastered

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Lord-of-the-Rings-The-Two-Towers-4K-Dremastered-Released/id/99019

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Lord-of-the-Rings-The-Return-of-the-King-4K-Dremastered-Released/id/100445

Here are a number of screencaps from FOTR 4K Dremastered:

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#1499744
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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Fan_edit_fan said:

Anchorhead said:

I’ve seen the 1979 original - several times in 79 in the theater and countless times in the decades since. I ubernerded it that year. Books, articles, etc. I still vividly remember my VHS of it just a few years later. I’ve listened to the soundtrack regularly since 79. Honestly, almost weekly, even now.
Because the original is a permanent Top Ten for me, there was never any chance I’d bother with a sequel. It’s a complete and finished story (for me).

You…seriously… have never watched The Empire Strikes Back this entire last 40 years???

He’s talking about never having watched Aliens after seeing Alien.

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#1497593
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StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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thorr said:

The way I see it, he is simply using any technique he can to get the best picture quality out of each frame/scene without replacing the scene, like the special editions did. His version should be a frame for frame match to the original.

Sure, but once you start using techniques with the aim to enhance the image quality beyond what was possible in 1977, it no longer is the original, but a special edition.

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#1496342
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What was the exact process of creating the special editions?
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BedeHistory731 said:

DrDre said:

The 2004 release was based of a 2K scan of the negative, while the 2019 release is based on a 4K scan done in 2012.

I always thought that the 2004/2011 “HD Branch” was a 1080p scan, as horrifying as that may sound.

The final master was 1080p, but the scan itself was 2K according to someone who worked on it.

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#1496330
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StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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I suppose after two years of silence, we can safely assume Legacy will not be seeing a release through the official channels in the foreseeable future. It’s a pity we never got to see anything beyond individual shots. The last update from the actual restoration itself stems from 2015, I believe. It would have been neat to at least get some kind of trailer with sound, such that we could get a sense of how such a release would look with a proper color grading. A comparison with the official 4K restoration released in 2019 would also be very interesting, since that restoration is obviously much more detailed than the much maligned 1080p 2004 master. Ah, well. Que sera sera.

I have to admit, I’m intrigued by this video, that Mike has on his vimeo channel:

https://vimeo.com/120218626

It’s the so called worst shot in the film. While all the techniques discussed are really interesting, I’m having difficulty viewing this particular shot as restored. In my view a restoration in the truest sense of the word would get the highest quality source possible, preferably the original negative or separation masters, repair any damage, remove dirt that was not in the original shot and present the shot as is, warts and all. Which would very likely include a lot of grain, dirt and color noise as Mike points out in his video. However, Mike goes well beyond that using modern digital techniques to get the shot to look better and most notably smoother than it could ever have looked in 1977. Now, how is this different from going back to the original elements and using modern digital techniques, namely digital compositing to get the shot to look better than ever, which aside from the CGI Ronto is exactly what we got with the Special Editions. So, isn’t this shot not just another Special Edition? Additionally, I see a problem in removing grain this way. Namely, the lack of detail is indelibly linked to the grain and overall degradation of the shot. Removing this much grain and noise without significant detail enhancement results in a DNR-ed waxy image, that I’m not sure is a real improvement over the grainy alternative. What do you think?

I should add, that I really like the idea of taking multiple prints and combining them in an effort to get an image much closer to the original negative, but many of the shots Mike discusses go well beyond that. I also fear, that the focus on maximizing detail and minimizing grain for individual shots will result in a lack of cohesion between shots, because the techniques used may work wonders on one shot, but much less so on another. The result will be a mishmash of shots that are supremely detailed approaching the negative, and others that are only slightly better than the best technicolor prints.

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#1496328
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What was the exact process of creating the special editions?
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That’s not quite right. In the mid nineties the film was physically and the color photochemically restored. Only those sections/elements that required CGI updates were scanned at 2K, reworked, and then film outs were created that were inserted in the restored negative, replacing the original shots:

http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html

The 2004 release was based of a 2K scan of the negative, while the 2019 release is based on a 4K scan done in 2012.

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#1494055
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ILM - Disney+ 6 part documentary series
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Wazzles said:

The version Gareth Edwards saw was likely the current Disney+ version since it was in the works at the time.

Almost certainly since he mentioned at the time they just completed a new 4K restoration.

Whatever the source of these clips I’m happy, that unlike the updated Empire of Dreams this documentary will acknowledge the OOT.

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#1493781
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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yotsuya said:

BedeHistory731 said:

So, what’s the TL;DR of your DS9 criticism? I’m curious.

War. Star Trek is supposed to be about avoiding a conflict. I felt at the time and still do that DS9 was copying B5. B5 was about a war. What led up to it, the war itself, and the aftermath and I feel that DS9 decided to copy that. They’d already copied the format. B5 was offered to Paramount before WB picked it up. But the whole DS9 war storyline just felt contrived and against the principles of Star Trek. Plus, I really felt Star Trek fell off after TNG season 5. They divided the creative team and both series suffered. And when Trials and Tribbleations aired I just had this realization that it was sad that the best episode of DS9 was a callback to TOS. I stopped watching not long after.

My problem with Discovery is that they changed everything for change sake. And season 1 is about war. Not just that, but a war started by a student of Sarek. The first episode just felt like a common war SF with a Trek skin. And I just couldn’t get into season 2 and haven’t tried since.

I love Picard. I think it is the perfect follow on to TNG. Loved everything a out it. I love Strange New Worlds, but it is so obviously a reboot, but they went back and are telling TOS and TNG quality stories. I haven’t had a chance to watch the finale yet.

So my enjoyment of Obi-wan Kenobi probably parallels my enjoyment of Picard. The funny thing is that I’ve encountered so many people who love Discovery and hate Picard. I find that baffling on some levels, but on others it makes sense. As a 40 year Star Trek fan it just doesn’t make sense. But when I see what some fans say about various parts of Star Trek, I can see that there is some logic to it. They aren’t looking at it the same way I do. I’ve been trying to find what lies behind my differing views from many of you about TLJ, TROS, and now Kenobi.

The explanation is elementary, old friend. You are a masochist, who likes the emotional torment of watching bad films and shows. 😉

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#1493610
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

Both Kenobi and the ST suffer from the same basic issue. There is no story to tell, and both end in the same place where it started. Ultimately some of us are left wondering what was added to the overall story set out in the first six films. Star Wars has nothing new to say. It’s just regurgitating past stories while throwing in insufferable amounts of fan service.

I respect your opinion, but totally disagree. Sure, the saga can exist without this series, but this series addresses what Kenobi might have had to deal with after ROTS and before he could be the character he was in ANH. It brings the inquisitors into the live action canon (remember, Vader only helped the empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi - the Inquisitors were the ones doing most of the work). As for fan service, it is only insufferable if you don’t appreciate it. Those of us who appreciate it love every moment of it.

It addresses what Kenobi might have had to deal with by giving us another variation of what was already done in The Last Jedi. Star Wars is just going in circles. To me it’s just becoming very tiring, and reductive. There’s just so little originality. The start and end point of all these stories are set in stone, while the road in between is just repeating what was done before. Star Wars has become stale, like an old rock band who after 40+ years just plays the same set list over and over with very slight variations in the arangements of the music. I really hope Taika Waititi can do something different and exciting with his film, and thus inspire Lucasfilm to hire some good writers, that can bring back some creativity to this creative black hole.

I find it disappointing that you can’t see and enjoy the variations that make this unique. To put it in music terms, you are focused on the melody being the same while missing that the lyrics are different. It is a valid opinion, but I think you are missing out.

It just doesn’t do much for me anymore. What suprised me most about the Obi-Wan series is how little the final fight between Obi-Wan and Vader moved me, despite Ewan McGregor’s great performance. It wasn’t always like that. I liked Mando season 1 quite a bit, because it focussed on new characters and a new story. I thought the second season was fine, but it was too preoccupied with cameos and fan service, while the entire raison d’etre of the second season has been undone before the third season started. The Book of Boba Fett was just a poorly written mess with one good Mando episode. Finally Obi-Wan ultimately was a few cool moments held together by a flimsy story and at times surprisingly lazy writing, and cheap visuals.

So, yeah maybe there are a few attempts at new lyrics, but those lyrics have recently neither been good or memorable.

The trailer for Andor looked good, I must admit, so maybe that series may surprise me. On the other hand:

“There’s an old saying in Tennessee - I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, 'Fool me once, shame on… shame on you. Fool me - you can’t get fooled again.”

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#1493588
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

Both Kenobi and the ST suffer from the same basic issue. There is no story to tell, and both end in the same place where it started. Ultimately some of us are left wondering what was added to the overall story set out in the first six films. Star Wars has nothing new to say. It’s just regurgitating past stories while throwing in insufferable amounts of fan service.

I respect your opinion, but totally disagree. Sure, the saga can exist without this series, but this series addresses what Kenobi might have had to deal with after ROTS and before he could be the character he was in ANH. It brings the inquisitors into the live action canon (remember, Vader only helped the empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi - the Inquisitors were the ones doing most of the work). As for fan service, it is only insufferable if you don’t appreciate it. Those of us who appreciate it love every moment of it.

It addresses what Kenobi might have had to deal with by giving us another variation of what was already done in The Last Jedi. Star Wars is just going in circles. To me it’s just becoming very tiring, and reductive. There’s just so little originality. The start and end point of all these stories are set in stone, while the road in between is just repeating what was done before. Star Wars has become stale, like an old rock band who after 40+ years just plays the same set list over and over with very slight variations in the arangements of the music. I really hope Taika Waititi can do something different and exciting with his film, and thus inspire Lucasfilm to hire some good writers, that can bring back some creativity to this creative black hole.

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#1493461
Topic
The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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Both Kenobi and the ST suffer from the same basic issue. There is no story to tell, and both end in the same place where it started. Ultimately some of us are left wondering what was added to the overall story set out in the first six films. Star Wars has nothing new to say. It’s just regurgitating past stories while throwing in insufferable amounts of fan service.