DominicCobb

Hal 9000 said:

Dom, I’m curious why you feel Anakin shouldn’t have a ghost. Do you mean at all, or just in the ST? Would you have preferred he not in ROTJ either?

At all. Giving Anakin a ghost feels false and unearned. Part of ROTJ’s fairy tale happily ever after ending which in my mind doesn’t match the complexity of the character, oddly enough especially so post-PT.

As someone who doesn’t think Anakin should have a force ghost, I would not be happy regardless of appearance. That being said, controversial opinion, but if he appears it should be Hayden, but just how he looks now, nothing crazy.

If they wanted his input they would’ve contacted him beforehand, not after. The idea that Lucas could help them make sure there won’t be a fan backlash is what really tells you this is bs.

I’ve said it before, but it’s clear the biggest reason some fans were mad about TLJ was due to its being an episode (i.e. they didn’t like how existing characters were handled, were unhappy with how the saga was progressing). Given the fact that Rian is working basically from scratch, it’s highly unlikely that if he made his new film in the exact same style/tone as TLJ (which I doubt he would do anyway) that fans would be up in arms against it. I don’t think it’d be at all surprising if many fans who hated TLJ ended up loving his trilogy, as it’s likely he’ll be expanding the canon in interesting ways.

As for the general audiences, that’s definitely the big question mark. How willing and curious are they to invest in a totally random Star Wars saga, and so soon after the main saga has just had a new trilogy?

leetwall31 said:

RogueLeader said:

leetwall31 said:

I really hope that’s not true. And it’s not the just the internet. Majority of my friends (whom aren’t Star Wars fans in the first place) really didn’t care for it. I can’t recall hearing any good opinions on it the time it came out. It was always “eh”.

I get what your saying, but anecdotal information isn’t really evidence. Many of the people I know who saw the movie liked it, and I read a lot of good opinions about the movie. Does that make me right?

All opinions are anecdotal. That kinda defeats the purpose of this discussion. But damn, I really wanna find some people who liked it now. I knew nobody who did.

Since you seem to care, for what it’s worth I know no one who didn’t like it. Have a couple friends who disliked certain aspects, but that’s as harsh as it gets. Most of us are baffled by the backlash.

leetwall31 said:

DominicCobb said:

leetwall31 said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I might get to the rest of your post later, but that one really jumped out at me.

Probably not worth it my man.

Dominic, why are you on a discussion forum if your mind is already made up?

Not the issue, I just mean to say these points have been debated ad nauseam here and elsewhere.

I understand, but don’t assume since I’m making the same point I won’t be able to say it in a new way that might convince you. Labeling things before you look at then will prevent you from learning new things. Always stay open minded.

What are you trying to convince me of exactly?

leetwall31 said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I might get to the rest of your post later, but that one really jumped out at me.

Probably not worth it my man.

Dominic, why are you on a discussion forum if your mind is already made up?

Not the issue, I just mean to say these points have been debated ad nauseam here and elsewhere.

ChainsawAsh said:

I might get to the rest of your post later, but that one really jumped out at me.

Probably not worth it my man.

trimboNZ said:

RogueLeader said:

Hal 9000 said:

(In moviemaking parlance based on how its presented; Luke’s being real murderous in reality.)

Yeah. The music during that scene is very heroic, but if you think about it, him threatening Jabba with death, and then killing all of his minions doesn’t exactly scream “the Jedi way”. But I think it serves the story.

Eh, it didn’t look to me like a murderous rampage. It was set up as an Errol Flynn swashbuckling pirate ship rescue. Jabba and his minions were immediate threats to Luke and his friends.

Errol Flynn didn’t usually blow up his enemy’s ship after the rescue. And Luke isn’t a pirate, he’s a Jedi. Making threats is out of character.

Valheru_84 said:

DominicCobb said:

The possibility of an OUT release is merely a potential silver lining to what is otherwise a terrible, terrible thing.

^ This (with a couple of spelling mistakes fixed)

Maybe if Disney can find a way to fix auto correct I’ll change my stance.

Hal 9000 said:

That being said, I trust you implicitly. ANH and TFA depict many of the same things in different ways, with TFA being ‘faster and more intense,’ so the cockpit shots you are working on do not need to have quite as intense of a blue and white flicker all over everything as TFA does.

Not just in general, but specifically those two scenes in TFA are faster and more intense by nature (ship about to overload because of compressor, preparing to enter the Starkiller atmosphere), whereas the ANH scene is just people talking. So there should definitely be an effort to match the feel of TFA’s lighting while fitting with the tone of the ANH scene.

Looking great Ridley.

The possibility of an OUT release is merely a potential silver lining to what is otherwise a terrible, terrible thing.

Mocata said:

It’s… fine? There’s a lot of jarring moments that highlight just how disjointed the old and new is personally.

Kinda how I feel, but ultimately it’s a pretty cool montage of Star Wars so hard not to enjoy. The last couple minutes are particularly effective.

Anakin Starkiller said:

It just occurred to me how weird it is EA Battlefront II has no Mustafar map. Did they at least port Sullust from the first game?

They didn’t port any maps from the first game. I don’t think it’s really that weird that Mustafar is missing. They didn’t even have Bespin or Geonosis when the game first shipped.

I can see a year (though I would tend to think less than that), but people here talking about two or three years is crazy. To end one movie with “I’ll meet you at the rendezvous point on Tatooine” and for that not to happen until three years later is absurd. It shouldn’t take that long to come up with a plan, especially not the one we see play out in ROTJ.

Anyways, I think we’re a bit off topic.

For under 10 bucks I’d say it’s worth it even for solely offline play. If you’re going to be online, it’s a steal at that price.

Hopefully the Jedi game they have planned for this year (?) ends up being good.

I don’t think separating is necessary. It’s messy now, but the amount of posts per day is low enough that the messiness doesn’t cause you to miss ongoing conversations because the section is overflowing. Like damage said, separating too much could simply cause ghost towns.

If organization is the issue, perhaps we could simply add tags to the threads that denote the different topics? So like if I have no interest in the EU, I can just skim over any thread with, say, a purple icon.

Lesser said:

Yeah on it’s own, TLJ’s score is still good to listen to like the others. Hope IX knocks it and TFA’s score out of the water though, and I think Powell should definitely do more Star Wars scores.

I agree, I thought Solo’s score was on par or better than a couple of Williams’s (the latter prequels).

I had always attributed any of the Falcon’s theme as Han’s theme as well growing up, but I am glad he has his own personal theme now as well.

The Falcon doesn’t technically have a theme. I suppose you might mean the Rebel fanfare? It’s become more associated with the Falcon overtime but has been used for other things as well.

What’s Poe’s theme outside of March of the Resistance though?

Only has a handful of plays in each movie, many of which didn’t make it into the soundtracks. Here’s a couple:

https://youtu.be/cHJrfB7VquM?t=77

https://youtu.be/1jGDKkxjo8s?t=65

https://youtu.be/p9hRK005s8c?t=160

https://youtu.be/chJumPSPsF8?t=166

TLJ suffers for lack of a new cohesive theme (big missed opportunity not having a Rey/Ben theme), but if you listen to the whole score (not just the soundtrack presentation) it is really quite an exceptional work, on the whole on par with TFA (and actually better in many regards).

By the way, Poe does have a theme that’s not March of the Resistance. Why doesn’t Finn? I mean why didn’t Han have a theme until last year?

As for the triumphant force theme during Luke’s death, that’s kind of the point. It’s not supposed to be a depressing moment, he’s becoming one with the force.

RogueLeader said:

These are cold, hard, objective opinions, Dom.

Oh, my bad.

There’s a good argument to be made that Rian is the best director who has ever worked on a Star Wars film. Not saying I would necessarily make that argument, but I think it’s possible. He’s also the only filmmaker other than Lucas who wrote and directed an SW film solo, which is an efficient combo.

He’s a very talented man, whether you like TLJ or not. He finished his film ahead of schedule without any headaches, which makes his SW production an outlier the likes of which Disney would obviously want to replicate. Surely they saw how the film was shaping up before it was done and liked it (most people did). Whether or not they could have predicted the fan backlash is irrelevant. The film was a critical and commercial success, and the fans that hated it did so mostly because of how it treated existing characters, something that wouldn’t be an issue in an unrelated trilogy. So hiring him for more was really a no-brainer.

leetwall31 said:

Over half of the Star Wars movies aren’t considered good.

I don’t think that’s accurate.

leetwall31 said:

DominicCobb said:

The fact that the scene was, in fact, filmed. I think it’s maybe one of the top SW cut scenes that should have been in the movie (well, depending on how it looks when played out).

I disagree. From what I saw, it looked like the most awkward duel ever. Anakin was just standing there, watching them. And the worst part was that he wasn’t in the background. He was like a couple feet off, making dumb faces trying to show the audience he was torn about this. I’m sooooo happy it was cut.

What are you talking about?

Weird, I see to remember people here saying RT audience scores are always fair and honest?

https://comicbook.com/marvel/amp/2019/02/23/captain-marvel-rotten-tomatoes-review-bombing/

RogueLeader said:

Maybe I am a bit too harsh on the “George” revisionism claim regarding Rinzler, but apparently that modified “midichlorian” quote is around page 398 of the Making of Star Wars book.

I’ll have to check my copy.

Yeah, actually I think what you said is exactly on point. Rinzler mentions in that interview that he had actually finished the manuscript, and that there really wasn’t anything “juicy” in it per se. He said he felt if it was ever released, fans would probably be disappointed. But he thinks the reason it was cancelled was because Lucasfilm didn’t want to bring back up certain things from production, things that the public already knows, like Lucas saying they didn’t use his treatments, Brad Bird being in talks to direct early on, Harrison Ford’s injury (which Rinzler describes as “Harrison almost dying”). Like you said, it might be a long time before we get any official Behind the Scenes book outside of the Art of books, I would say at the earliest 10 years from now, if not longer.

I imagine yeah that the main reason it was canned is that right now LFL and Disney seem to try to be very tight lipped about a lot of behind the scenes things, even ones that aren’t necessarily negative. I feel like if we did get a making of after TFA, it probably wouldn’t have been much more in depth than the doc we got on the blu-ray.

On the other hand some of that secrecy is probably coming from JJ/Bad Robot, as that’s their MO. Rian seems to be a lot more open with the process, especially with hiring a documentary filmmaker to be on set 24/7. Ultimately what we got on the TLJ blu-ray is a lot more honest about the process of making that film, though in fairness LFL was probably okay with that because TLJ is easily the smoothest production there has ever been for a SW film, and really the only person who might not like what’s in the doc is Rian himself (what with the discussions of people disagreeing with his approach), but I think he figured fans would be mature enough to understand what was going on (little did he know…).

That’s why I think it would be really interesting for a fan-made book were to be made that would compile as much known information regarding the development as possible. Sources like books, interviews, blogs, behind the scenes videos, etc. But something in the vein of Secret History might be the only “making of” book we might get for a very long time.

I’d be leery of a fan made book right now just because there’s so little information out there that a lot of it is misinformation. Secret History, just like Rinzler’s books, had the benefit of years of hindsight and also a lot of different sources to pull from, including the original scripts and treatments (none of which have been made available for the Disney films).