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#1366525
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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omnimuffin said:

JakeRyan17 said:

thebluefrog said:

Imagine if Kylo had straight up killed Palpatine at the start and been the primary antagonist. TLJ turned all the villains into jokes, with Hux being ragdolled around, Snoke dying like Jar Jar, and Kylo throwing a tantrum at Luke. Phasma not so much, but she was wasted too, so…

Getting Kylo back on track to be a genuine threat would’ve helped raise the emotional stakes and made his evolution over the trilogy more interesting.

Unfortunately…I don’t think this is editable with current material. Probably 10 years away to be able to edit that with deepfakes and video games.

That was the intention with The Last Jedi killing Snoke, to set Kylo up as Episode IX’s main antagonist. That’s what Colin Trevorrow’s Duel of Fates did as well. I think that was the prevailing idea forward until Abrams’ came back.

Of course, Treverrow’s script didn’t handle it particuarily well either, contriving an excuse for Kylo to get an even more Vader-ey mask and having him lose the final fight because Rey becomes a bad fanfiction grey Jedi using both the light and dark, and with later revisions pulling the ‘last minute turn to the light’ and making one of the Knights of Ren (coincedentally, one that was very much not visible during the flashback in TFA, because a) she’s a woman and b) she has the darksaber) be the eleventh hour final boss.

Because it’s so obvious in the TFA flashbacks that none of them are women?

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#1366400
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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JakeRyan17 said:

Ed Slushie said:

I know we’ve pretty much retired the Ajan Kloss = Naboo idea, but the more I think about it, Ajan Kloss we wouldn’t have to change the canon to make Ajan Kloss into a planet we’ve seen before: On Wookieepedia, there’s no official information as to where Luke’s Jedi Temple (from the flashbacks in TLJ) was located, and given that it was where Luke trained Leia it would make sense for Ajan Kloss to be that same planet.
Can anyone think of a way to make that clearer in the movie?

I think I assumed that Luke trained Leia on Endor, as the flashbacks resemble that forest. Luke’s Jedi Temple from the flashbacks in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi don’t resemble this forest area to me at all.

The flashback I believe has been confirmed to be Ajan Kloss. As to where Luke’s temple is supposed to be? I don’t know.

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#1364326
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Cinefy said:

During the Exegol arrival there is no music, added music from The Last Jedi soundtrack and it really improves and increases the stakes of the scene, feels a lot more intense with this added I made sure it lined up with the shots in the scene in-terms of pacing it in correctly.

Test: https://youtu.be/l3rwZUhTP0k

Uses music from Last Jedi Soundtrack.

Just as an FYI the first part of “Battle of the Resistance” from the soundtrack is unused. That’s what I’ve inserted.

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#1364036
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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StarkillerAG said:

Hal 9000 said:

Eventually, probably if Dom ever finishes his edit.

FTFY

Seriously though, what happened to him? He hasn’t posted much of anything for a while, and he hasn’t made any updates on his TROS edit for a long time.

Sup dude. My edit has been let’s say 95% finished for about two months now, so there hasn’t been anything to update. Only minor changes left but have been holding off releasing because I’ve been waiting for stuff like new VFX shots (plus have just happened to be busy for the past few weeks).

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#1363834
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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kewlfish said:

Alright, I sent MoviesRemastered and a couple others this latest version yesterday. This is a lower quality render but in terms of the saber I would say this version is finalized (other than some nitpick fixes with Finn’s part at the very end). All masking issues were in the theatrical release and I think the effect is subtle enough to not be overpowering.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yveK5n7a9u3q6i5-iwtlPQ77BtnF-T3b/view?usp=sharing

Looking great, one thing I’d say is be wary of the tip of the saber, sometimes the way the crackling happens to be it sort of gives the appearance of boxy top which is less than ideal.

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#1354169
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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NeverarGreat said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

In fact, the comprehensibility of the entire ST rests on Leia being a Skywalker.

How so? Kylo doesn’t need to be a Skywalker to be a Vader fanboy, and he still comes from two important lineages, if you’re worried about it stealing from Rey Nobody.

So we’re just supposed to accept that he’s the son of Han and Leia and just so happens to be one of the strongest Force users in the galaxy?

I mean, the ST posits three massively important pieces of the plot all happening to land within a couple miles of each other on one planet in the galaxy, so I get that this shark is already well and truly jumped, but why add another coincidence to the pile?

Wait, do you think he’d only inherit strength in the force if Leia was a Jedi? What?

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#1352414
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What is the main Star Wars Saga about?
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StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

I think you’re really just looking at it all wrong. I’m not sure I understand the argument.

I could say the same for you. I don’t understand at all how the prequels fit the hero’s journey. I guess the sequels kind of fit it, but Rey’s journey has so many unnecessary distractions that it’s hopelessly confused.

Hero’s journey is just a framework that describes a type of storytelling. It’s not supposed to be a rigid step by step process for storytelling. It’s not even really accurate to say that the OT is the hero’s journey because that’s only describing Luke. Anyway, if you look at the structure, it definitely fits Anakin. I mean even just besides that the OT and the PT have the same basic story, just with opposite endings. Anakin fills out the hero’s journey almost to a T, though admittedly this includes his story through the OT, but arguably the hero’s journey fits Luke best when viewed with the ST involved too, so again, not really a perfect way to describe it.

I think Rey’s story is pretty clear. I wouldn’t say it’s confused so much as ultimately dumbed down, with the overall thematic thrust of the trilogy being the thing that is confused in the last chapter.

Anyway, I think it’s a confusing argument because like I said I don’t really understand the point being made - OT is one thing, PT is another thing, and then ST is a third thing but only the ST is left out? But really what I don’t get what’s being argued in relation to the topic’s question. You seem to be talking about what kind of stories they are (which of course I disagree with as I’ve said, I think they’re all operating in the same space), but the question is not that, it’s what are they about.

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#1352410
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

You can’t read the full draft yet, but you can read a plot summary here:

https://makingstarwars.net/2020/01/i-read-colin-trevorrow-and-derek-connollys-final-star-wars-episode-ix-script/

I don’t think it’s much of an improvement. Mustafar, Coruscant, and Mortis are replaced with generic planets, and there’s a female Knight of Ren who only exists to give Rey and Kylo someone to team up against once Kylo turns good.

What’s wrong with a female knight of Ren?

Did you even read what I said? I don’t have a problem with the idea in theory, it’s just that she only exists to give Rey and Kylo someone to team up against.

I did, your wording was not clear at all, that’s why I asked. Also, I don’t think we can say she “only” exists for that purpose, since we don’t have the script.

Anakin Starkiller said:

DominicCobb said:

omnimuffin said:

I don’t have any problem with the concept; all of the Knights wear thick enough clothing that you wouldn’t be able to tell any more than you could tell Enfys Nest was a woman. My problem is that Sollony ain’t one of the Knights of Ren we see in the flashback or in any of the supporting material. She comes out of nowhere.

How do we know that? We don’t have the script.

You’re both wrong. Sollony could be any one of the knights we’ve already seen, and we do have a script (though maybe not the exact draft you’re looking for). It was leaked and confirmed as real by Trevorrow himself, remember?

Nothing I said is wrong. We’re talking about a script that we don’t have access to (the one with Sollony).

omnimuffin said:

DominicCobb said:

omnimuffin said:

I don’t have any problem with the concept; all of the Knights wear thick enough clothing that you wouldn’t be able to tell any more than you could tell Enfys Nest was a woman. My problem is that Sollony ain’t one of the Knights of Ren we see in the flashback or in any of the supporting material. She comes out of nowhere.

How do we know that? We don’t have the script.

Because she appears in the original draft, which we do have.

She does not.

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#1352356
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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omnimuffin said:

I don’t have any problem with the concept; all of the Knights wear thick enough clothing that you wouldn’t be able to tell any more than you could tell Enfys Nest was a woman. My problem is that Sollony ain’t one of the Knights of Ren we see in the flashback or in any of the supporting material. She comes out of nowhere.

How do we know that? We don’t have the script.

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#1352348
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What is the main Star Wars Saga about?
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act on instinct said:

DominicCobb said:

act on instinct said:

StarkillerAG said:

I think the definition of the Star Wars saga depends on which trilogies you include.

If you only include the OT, it’s the story of Luke Skywalker. We watch as he goes though the hero’s journey, in the style of classic mythology.

If you add the prequels, it becomes the story of Anakin Skywalker. We watch as he rises, falls, and rises again, in the style of a classic tragedy.

If you add the sequels, it becomes the story of the Skywalker family. We watch as they go through their lives, ending with someone who isn’t part of the family taking their name.

One of these things is not like the others…

StarkillerAG said:

Yeah, the definition gets a lot looser once George stops being the showrunner. The first six movies were under one single vision, but now it’s basically a free for all.

I don’t think so, if we’re all being honest it became the story of the Skywalker family when the PT was added. Just because George retroactively said it was the story of Anakin doesn’t make it true, obviously the OT isn’t Anakin’s story and TPM barely is either.

No that’s ridiculous to say it was never the story of the Skywalker family before the PT, Luke goes with Ben as a mentor because he knew his father, he wants to live up to his father, not just be a Jedi because he’s all invested in the creed or even aware of them. What about Darth Vader being the father in the second movie? how early did George’s mind have to be set to qualify exactly?

To clarify, I think it’s reasonable to say that it was almost always the story of the Skywalker family. What I don’t think is reasonable is saying it was the story of Anakin Skywalker, which is just plainly untrue.

Besides the reason I said one is not like the others and what I believe StarkillerAG was implying has more to do with the progression from retelling classic mythology to classic tragedy where by the third it’s not so anchored in intention (which also isn’t to say the individual movies are without theme).

I’m not sure I understand your distinction. OT does one thing, PT does another thing, ST does a third thing, but I guess doesn’t fit? Seems arbitrary.

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#1352342
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What is the main Star Wars Saga about?
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act on instinct said:

StarkillerAG said:

I think the definition of the Star Wars saga depends on which trilogies you include.

If you only include the OT, it’s the story of Luke Skywalker. We watch as he goes though the hero’s journey, in the style of classic mythology.

If you add the prequels, it becomes the story of Anakin Skywalker. We watch as he rises, falls, and rises again, in the style of a classic tragedy.

If you add the sequels, it becomes the story of the Skywalker family. We watch as they go through their lives, ending with someone who isn’t part of the family taking their name.

One of these things is not like the others…

StarkillerAG said:

Yeah, the definition gets a lot looser once George stops being the showrunner. The first six movies were under one single vision, but now it’s basically a free for all.

I don’t think so, if we’re all being honest it became the story of the Skywalker family when the PT was added. Just because George retroactively said it was the story of Anakin doesn’t make it true, obviously the OT isn’t Anakin’s story and TPM barely is either.

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#1352338
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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StarkillerAG said:

You can’t read the full draft yet, but you can read a plot summary here:

https://makingstarwars.net/2020/01/i-read-colin-trevorrow-and-derek-connollys-final-star-wars-episode-ix-script/

I don’t think it’s much of an improvement. Mustafar, Coruscant, and Mortis are replaced with generic planets, and there’s a female Knight of Ren who only exists to give Rey and Kylo someone to team up against once Kylo turns good.

What’s wrong with a female knight of Ren?

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#1352303
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What is the main Star Wars Saga about?
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BB-Rey said:

DominicCobb said:

As misguided as TROS is, whatever George had come up with for the trilogy would have been 100% worse.

I doubt that very seriously. I think it would’ve been much better as at the very least he’d be following a broader story that is consistent. He always had an idea of where the story was going as even Steven Spielberg said in the 90’s that part of George’s process for the Prequels was part of his concept for the Sequels.

That’s not really true, Lucas had ideas but it’s pretty obviously inaccurate to say that it was in any way “consistent.”

The Rise of Skywalker has no sense of plot or story but feels more like a game of darts. You can’t say that for the Prequels.

That’s actually exactly how I’d describe the prequels.