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#1227413
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The Marvel Cinematic Universe
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Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Also, I think attitudes around jokes of certain kinds have changed dramatically in very recent years, and if Gunn isn’t an asshole (which I don’t know) then he’s actually listened and changed his ways. Which I actually believe is possible for an adult man of any age, but then I’m an optimist.

Pedo jokes have never been cool and his tweets were edgelord junk I’d expect to hear during Xbox Live chat.

If his tweets were racist, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Nobody would believe that he’s a better person now.

Well I think pedo jokes have gotten considerably less cool in recent years (though honestly you can still find lots of professional comedic content that still has jokes like that now, not just on Xbox live).

Also, the comparison to racist jokes is more complicated, because not all “racist” jokes are necessarily racist or rooted in racism (with some the target of the joke being racism itself). If they were jokes that displayed that he was racist, then obviously we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But making pedo jokes doesn’t make you a pedo.

So if someone unearths 10,000 race-based jokes on some other entertainer’s social media account tomorrow, you’ll be reviewing those jokes on their own merit and potentially defending them because the jokes weren’t actually “rooted in racism”?

As I’ve stated before, I don’t actually work for Disney.

Nobody said you did. I presented a hypothetical situation and wanted to know how you’d respond in order to see if you’d be logically consistent with the argument you’re making.

It was a joke.

Anyway, my point was that racist jokes are on a spectrum that includes “this person is racist” on one end (and no shit making a large number of them probably indicates that). No amount of pedo jokes makes you a pedo though.

(I’m also skeptical of the 10,000 number, not that it matters of course, it’s gross either way).

The 10,000 number is how many tweets he deleted. I’m sure there was some spray-and-pray involved given how quickly he wiped them out.

Yeah, somehow I doubt he carefully went through and found the exact 10,000 inappropriate tweets and deleted only those.

Did Barr’s joke prove her to be a racist? If you believe her story about not knowing the target of her joke was black (and why wouldn’t you…you’re an optimist), then her joke wouldn’t be inherently racist, her apology would have been sincere, and her firing wouldn’t have been justified. Correct?

If that was an isolated incident for Barr, I’d be on a different side of that particular debate.

Was it an isolated incident for Gunn? He tweeted that garbage for years. How is it that he can post trash well into his 40s and it’s not a pattern of behavior?

Do I need to explain again the difference between pedo jokes vs. racist jokes? (in Barr’s case, there’s a history of absolute lunacy on top of it all)

As for my “optimism” statement, I would think it obvious what I meant, but I guess I need to explain it to you. As an optimist I believe in general that people can grow and mature. I ultimately don’t really know if Gunn has, but his apology at the very least would seem to indicate so. Barr’s, on the other hand… saying “I thought the bitch was white” months later doesn’t exactly seem remorseful to me.

I wasn’t aware that optimists tended to compartmentalize their optimism into specific areas; you sound more like a realist since you apply your optimism selectively.

Optimism does not necessarily equal blind optimism. Though maybe you’re right to some extent, I was once called a optimistic realist once.

Regardless, you’re enough of an optimist to believe Gunn, who posted pedo jokes well into his 40s, can finally grow up, but not enough to believe Barr when she says she didn’t know the target of her joke was black. She made that claim immediately after she got in trouble, not months later, and then issued a more formal and (presumably) heartfelt apology soon after. I haven’t watched the new video.

I never said I believe Gunn. I just said his apology is a lot more believable.

Maybe I’m misremembering but I don’t think the “I thought she wasn’t black” apology came “immediately” after (not to mention that’s not actually an apology, but an excuse). Either way, again there’s a key matter of time. It’s a lot more likely that someone has truly understood the error of their ways when there’s years of perspective in-between. Not saying it’s impossible to realize and comprehend right away, just seems doubtful that’s been the case for Barr.

I don’t really care either way. They both said dumb shit and got fired. I don’t think either should have been, but that’s the world we live in at the moment.

I guess my only question is, do you think there’s ever a case where someone should be fired for dumb shit they said?

Anyway, I got burned out on all the comic book movies right around Iron Man 2 (or was it 3?) and I have a lot of catching up to do. Do I need to watch everything in order to understand Avengers or are there any movies I can safely skip?

You could probably safely skip all but the Avengers films and Captain America: Civil War with only a few minor confusing things. Though then you’d be skipping the best ones.

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#1227396
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Also, I think attitudes around jokes of certain kinds have changed dramatically in very recent years, and if Gunn isn’t an asshole (which I don’t know) then he’s actually listened and changed his ways. Which I actually believe is possible for an adult man of any age, but then I’m an optimist.

Pedo jokes have never been cool and his tweets were edgelord junk I’d expect to hear during Xbox Live chat.

If his tweets were racist, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Nobody would believe that he’s a better person now.

Well I think pedo jokes have gotten considerably less cool in recent years (though honestly you can still find lots of professional comedic content that still has jokes like that now, not just on Xbox live).

Also, the comparison to racist jokes is more complicated, because not all “racist” jokes are necessarily racist or rooted in racism (with some the target of the joke being racism itself). If they were jokes that displayed that he was racist, then obviously we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But making pedo jokes doesn’t make you a pedo.

So if someone unearths 10,000 race-based jokes on some other entertainer’s social media account tomorrow, you’ll be reviewing those jokes on their own merit and potentially defending them because the jokes weren’t actually “rooted in racism”?

As I’ve stated before, I don’t actually work for Disney.

Anyway, my point was that racist jokes are on a spectrum that includes “this person is racist” on one end (and no shit making a large number of them probably indicates that). No amount of pedo jokes makes you a pedo though.

(I’m also skeptical of the 10,000 number, not that it matters of course, it’s gross either way).

Did Barr’s joke prove her to be a racist? If you believe her story about not knowing the target of her joke was black (and why wouldn’t you…you’re an optimist), then her joke wouldn’t be inherently racist, her apology would have been sincere, and her firing wouldn’t have been justified. Correct?

If that was an isolated incident for Barr, I’d be on a different side of that particular debate.

As for my “optimism” statement, I would think it obvious what I meant, but I guess I need to explain it to you. As an optimist I believe in general that people can grow and mature. I ultimately don’t really know if Gunn has, but his apology at the very least would seem to indicate so. Barr’s, on the other hand… saying “I thought the bitch was white” months later doesn’t exactly seem remorseful to me.

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#1227365
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Also, I think attitudes around jokes of certain kinds have changed dramatically in very recent years, and if Gunn isn’t an asshole (which I don’t know) then he’s actually listened and changed his ways. Which I actually believe is possible for an adult man of any age, but then I’m an optimist.

Pedo jokes have never been cool and his tweets were edgelord junk I’d expect to hear during Xbox Live chat.

If his tweets were racist, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Nobody would believe that he’s a better person now.

Well I think pedo jokes have gotten considerably less cool in recent years (though honestly you can still find lots of professional comedic content that still has jokes like that now, not just on Xbox live).

Also, the comparison to racist jokes is more complicated, because not all “racist” jokes are necessarily racist or rooted in racism (with some the target of the joke being racism itself). If they were jokes that displayed that he was racist, then obviously we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But making pedo jokes doesn’t make you a pedo.

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#1227357
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

There’s always a line, what I meant was that even the line differs from case to case. In this case past or present is the line, sure, but in many cases, like sexual assault, past or present doesn’t matter.

The decision has more to do with brand appearances (or it should), in the case of Roseanne if she’s a present day loony and offensive personality that can be a detrimental to conditions working with her.

The politics of it all should be a secondary concern. Whether or not there’s an outrage shouldn’t by itself determine whether there’s punishment. At best the company should already be aware of the issue before the outrage, at worst the outrage should merely bring it to their attention. But the ultimate decision should depend entirely on the situation and offense at hand.

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#1227340
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

Politics and outrage culture will ruin entertainment.

There’s a way to conduct matters without either completely ignoring things or going overboard.

Where exactly is that line and who defines it?

No two cases are the same and so the idea that everything must be a firable offense or nothing is is stupid. It’s not a matter of there being a definite line with a definite definition, because the definition won’t necessarily apply in every case. This isn’t a math problem.

And just because some people get fired with insufficient reason doesn’t mean we should throw our hands up and saw no one should be fired for anything ever. It just means people in charge have to actually show some care, rather than just pretending they do (and instead being reckless about it).

Who says Disney didn’t exercise care in this case?

Seems to me it’s “justified” when someone agrees with the decision and “reckless” when they don’t. It’s sort of like speeding: everyone driving slower than you is an idiot and everyone driving faster is crazy.

Despite the differences between Roseanne’s circumstances and Gunn’s, their firings are both tied to politically-driven outrage and social media mobs. There are just different politics driving the mobs.

First of all, whether or not I personally agree with this is besides the point I was making, which was in general terms.

Now, as for whether or not I do agree with this firing, my whole point was that each case is different and should be treated differently. So I don’t get the logic of trying to prove my point wrong by saying “you’re only mad when you don’t agree with it!” What I’m saying is it shouldn’t be a binary everyone should be fired or no one should be. So of course I’ll disagree if it just seems like they’re blindly “firing everyone.”

Gunn’s tweets have been in the world for a while, what’s “reckless” is that only now they are firing him. Despite the fact that he’s apologized already, and supposedly has had a fine working relationship with the company. If we are to take Gunn at his word, that his poor taste in jokes are something that are many years behind him now, than this is something Disney should have considered.

You can’t just ignore the differences between this and Barr. Again, my whole point is that everything can’t be treated the same way. The differences are the most important part. If Gunn tweeted a child rape joke yesterday, this would be a completely different story. Part of the reason Roseanne was canceled were that crew members were jumping ship and didn’t want to work with her anymore.

If there are additional factors at play here, it would be nice to know them. As I said before, Disney is sending a confusing message, because on the surface of it they’re essentially suggesting that people aren’t allowed to mature, change, or put any past mistakes behind them (which isn’t to say that every kind of past mistake is forgivable, but again this is where considering each case individually is important).

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#1227336
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

Jay said:

DominicCobb said:

Jay said:

Politics and outrage culture will ruin entertainment.

There’s a way to conduct matters without either completely ignoring things or going overboard.

Where exactly is that line and who defines it?

No two cases are the same and so the idea that everything must be a firable offense or nothing is is stupid. It’s not a matter of there being a definite line with a definite definition, because the definition won’t necessarily apply in every case. This isn’t a math problem.

And just because some people get fired with insufficient reason doesn’t mean we should throw our hands up and saw no one should be fired for anything ever. It just means people in charge have to actually show some care, rather than just pretending they do (and instead being reckless about it).

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#1227333
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

Haarspalter said:

Handman said:

As long as we condemn everyone who’s done or said something questionable in all the time they’ve been around, there’ll be no one left in Hollywood. No one is infallible.

Well, then Rian Johnson should be worried right now. Back in 2011 he made joke about the Star Wars OT Blu rays. He tweeted “will Lucasfilm release the original cuts or just the cartoon versions?” or something like that.

How is that an example of infallibility?

Honestly the chances of anyone finding old Twitter dirt on Johnson is in the negative percentages at this point. The group that got Gunn had been out for Rian for months now, with nothing to show for it.

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#1227219
Topic
The Place to Go for Emotional Support
Time

suspiciouscoffee said:

I sent a message to him on his bandcamp page and he sent an email back to me.

Possessed said:

I’m safe. Actually if you want the truth I smoked a bunch of meth and had a massive mental breakdown. I spent 3 days hiding in the woods (not shelterless I had my car and I had money to go get food) just because I was scared of everybody. I nearly lost my job, although I didn’t but I wish I had, and for 3 days I was scared of my own shadow and didn’t know what I was going to do. I just had an intense mental breakdown. I never really meant that I was planning on killing myself exactly, but I didn’t know what I was going to do. I’m kinda just embarrassed to come back now, and I’m still pretty shaken up. You can relay this entire message if you like. They deserve an explanation.

Whether he comes back or not, let him know we all love him (even though he smells bad [in fact you should also tell him to take a shower]).

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#1227208
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

John_ said:

I’d love to see Taika Waititi take the reigns for Vol. 3. I feel his style would mesh really well with the tone of the GOTG movies.

Ehh I keep hearing people suggest this but I disagree. Ragnarok and GOTG are tonally similar in a broad sense, but ultimately Waititi’s voice is quite distinct from Gunn’s, and I’d really just prefer him to do the next Thor if anything.

As for Vol. 3 without Gunn, I’m not going to worry too much yet. While it’s a shame he won’t be able to round out his trilogy (though honestly IW already kinda hurt it’s cohesiveness anyway), more likely than not they’ll still be working off his script to some extent. Depending on who they hire as a replacement, it could end up being just fine.

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#1227197
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

pleasehello said:

DominicCobb said:

pleasehello said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

if Disney actually cared he wouldn’t have had a position to be fired from.

That’s what makes this so much harder to swallow. It’s not like these tweets were ever a secret.

Which basically means either one of two things, that Disney has just succumbed to the wishes of alt-right trolls who got mad because Gunn made fun of Trump and Ben Shapiro, or that there was some other reason they wanted to fire him and they’re using this as an excuse (which raises a whole bunch of other questions).

No matter what, Disney’s sending a message for sure, but it’s a very confusing one, to say the least.

Disney fired Roseanne for her one terrible tweet that got publicity while her twitter history had many more. This James Gunn thing seems pretty consistent.

Not actually. Roseanne had a history of tweets that no one at Disney apparently cared about. While the show was airing, she continued tweeting crazy stuff. It wasn’t until she tweeted something that crossed the line that she was let go. She was fired for a tweet she made the same exact day she tweeted it. An important difference.

Meanwhile, they dragged their feet on Lasseter, and had no problem employing Johnny Depp just recently. They’re all over the place, to say the least.

I think Gunn and Roseanne are similar in that Disney doesn’t vet their twitter activity, nor do they care until it gets publicity, whether it’s an old or new tweet. Roseanne’s new “Planet of the Apes” tweet got publicity. Gunn’s old “pedo jokes” got publicity. Only then does Disney take action to try and distance themselves.

Yes there are certainly similarities, but the justification is a lot weaker this time. There were plenty of people who were mad about Roseanne coming back because of things she said in the past. Disney only did something when she gave them reason to in the present day, with no reference made to anything from the past in their decision.

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#1227193
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

pleasehello said:

DominicCobb said:

Handman said:

if Disney actually cared he wouldn’t have had a position to be fired from.

That’s what makes this so much harder to swallow. It’s not like these tweets were ever a secret.

Which basically means either one of two things, that Disney has just succumbed to the wishes of alt-right trolls who got mad because Gunn made fun of Trump and Ben Shapiro, or that there was some other reason they wanted to fire him and they’re using this as an excuse (which raises a whole bunch of other questions).

No matter what, Disney’s sending a message for sure, but it’s a very confusing one, to say the least.

Disney fired Roseanne for her one terrible tweet that got publicity while her twitter history had many more. This James Gunn thing seems pretty consistent.

Not actually. Roseanne had a history of tweets that no one at Disney apparently cared about. While the show was airing, she continued tweeting crazy stuff. It wasn’t until she tweeted something that crossed the line that she was let go. She was fired for a tweet she made the same exact day she tweeted it. An important difference.

Meanwhile, they dragged their feet on Lasseter, and had no problem employing Johnny Depp just recently. They’re all over the place, to say the least.

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#1227185
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

Handman said:

if Disney actually cared he wouldn’t have had a position to be fired from.

That’s what makes this so much harder to swallow. It’s not like these tweets were ever a secret.

Which basically means either one of two things, that Disney has just succumbed to the wishes of alt-right trolls who got mad because Gunn made fun of Trump and Ben Shapiro, or that there was some other reason they wanted to fire him and they’re using this as an excuse (which raises a whole bunch of other questions).

No matter what, Disney’s sending a message for sure, but it’s a very confusing one, to say the least.

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#1227181
Topic
The Marvel Cinematic Universe
Time

suspiciouscoffee said:

  1. The tweets were gross and should have been deleted. Also, the sheer volume of tweets raises red flags, as well as the exact contents of some of the ones I’ve seen.

  2. Mike Cernovich and his army of alt-right shitbags started their smear campaign against Gunn to “prove” their moral superiority over “the left” which prominent Hollywood figures like Gunn supposedly represent, and Disney should not have done anything on the whims of a Pizzagate crackpot like Cernovich.

Both are true.

Yeah pretty much. The thing that’s ultimately most dumb is how old the tweets are - if Disney actually cared he wouldn’t have had a position to be fired from.

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#1227165
Topic
Has Star Wars finally "jumped the shark"?
Time

Does anyone actually want an MCU style 20-film intertwined arc for these films? I much prefer jumping around on the timeline and letting stories live by themselves, and I think that’s a space Star Wars has been much more comfortable occupying. If, in Solo, Han had encountered an Infinity Kyber crystal that was somehow vital to saving the universe in Episode IX, I’m not sure how that would make anything better.

The idea that Star Wars is “failing” simply because the ST doesn’t have an overarching vision is silly for a million reasons, least of which that 90% of trilogies in existence don’t have that, and most of which that the trilogy isn’t even completed yet. As for the suggestion that Kennedy is solely going for a random and scattershot approach, that’s not even remotely true. Literally the only new films currently on the roster are two series of movies, both with the exact thing you mention - an overarching creative director.

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#1227163
Topic
Has Star Wars finally "jumped the shark"?
Time

SilverWook said:

They need to figure out how to avoid the problems that drive the cost of these films up as what happened with Solo. The Star Wars sequel that never was, Splinter Of The Mind’s Eye was conceived as being a modestly budgeted film that would take advantage of props and costumes left over from the first film. There’s probably a few warehouses full of stuff from the current films now.
A lean, mean, lower budgeted SW story film has a better chance at cleaning up at the box office.

I agree completely. They can’t be banking on every film making a billion or a little under to break even. Marvel doesn’t even do that.

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#1227148
Topic
Has Star Wars finally "jumped the shark"?
Time

Creox said:

DominicCobb said:

Creox said:

Jay said:

Creox said:

I think it’s interesting there is a thread on SW jumping the shark or/and over-saturation in the same reality that has Marvel just releasing its what?..umpteenth flick about superheroes.

IMO it seems SW fans want their films to be rare events and in reality their wish for more comes with a lot of caveats.

Consumers eat up multiple comic book movies and 10-hour+ series every year. Marvel’s success suggests frequency and over-saturation aren’t the problem.

Not a problem with the MCU for sure but I think that is starting to erode a bit. How SW is different with respects to how fans respond to more content is a bit of a confusing topic for me. I love that there is more content and movies but many do not. I think it’s due to what I already posted. There is a very vocal percentage of SW super fans who look at the OT as sacred texts that should not be messed with in any way. The release of more and more movies (which appears to me to be the only medium that effects these fans) seems to anger them as it dilutes the religion so to speak? Not sure.

That sounds about right. It’s probably no surprise that a certain segment of fans find RO to be the best film they’ve done - a film that does little to expand the narrative beyond unnecessarily plugging a perceived “plot hole” in the original, and fulfilling the ultimate fan service of seeing Darth Vader commit a massacre (something that had simply been implied before). It’s very much a supplement to the OT.

Marvel’s success seems to be the exception rather than the rule. No one else has replicated it. Honestly the reason is painfully obvious - Marvel is a collection of franchises plural, rather than just one singular franchise. If there was a Guardians of the Galaxy movie out every year, it’s no guarantee whatsoever that they would all be a success.

Your last paragraph is spot on I think. I was rattling similar ideas around my noggin while I was posting before. The post Lucas SW is just getting started and with a new trilogy coming out by Rian it appears they will take a more MCU direction with the franchise.

The thing is, while that approach sounds like it could hypothetically work on paper, there isn’t any evidence yet as to whether or not it’s possible. Marvel took multiple franchises and combined them into a mega franchise. Star Wars is a massive franchise, yes, but the question remains if a massive franchise can be split into parts that are each expected to be equal to the whole. There’s really no precedent for that. The closest I can think of is the X-Men films’ Wolverine spin-offs, but even then there are some obvious key differences. Mostly returning actor vs. new actor, but also release date timing. I think the idea that Star Wars could put out a billion dollar movie every single year if they are all universally loved is an incredibly faulty one. Which is to say nothing of the fact that it is probably beyond impossible for anyone to ever to make a new Star Wars movie that is universally loved.

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#1227132
Topic
Last movie seen
Time

snooker said:

Yeah, I know, but the comics are pretty baaad.

If everyone stayed dead that would be the most interesting possible thing to watch. If anyone was revived it would retroactively make Infinity War worse.

I’m going to have to strongly disagree with that. It would be ridiculous if everyone stayed dead, and I don’t think reviving them would be taking the easy way out at all. The way the film ends is a cliffhanger. Those characters aren’t so much “dead” as stuck in carbonite.

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#1227130
Topic
The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
Time

RogueLeader said:

I didn’t realize the original track was combination of multiple takes! Cool info!

For the record:

0:00 to 0:08, tk.19
0:08 to 0:43, tk.18
0:43 to 1:31, tk.20
1:31 to 1:43, tk.18
1:43 to end, tk.20

What are your reasons? Is the fact you mentioned earlier one of them?

I actually made sure to use parts of takes that weren’t used, but even still, though there are differences, it still sounds too much like that original recording, and sounds a little too different quality-wise from the rest of the prequel scores.

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#1227027
Topic
The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
Time

RogueLeader said:

DominicCobb said:

I’ve done it for my prequel edits. TPM retains its recording, though I’ve swapped out AOTC and ROTS. Originally I had Gerhardt’s for AOTC and an alternate take from the original SW for ROTS, but now I’m leaning towards McNeely for AOTC and Williams’s Hollywood Sound recording for ROTS.

I also guess I need to find one for TLJ.

I don’t know if I’ve heard the alternate version. Was it on the Complete Score album? I think released in 97 and rereleased in 04?

On the 97 SE album (yes, rereleased in 04), on track 13 after the alternate Binary Sun, there are a few minutes of silence, and then they play a few takes from the original recording of the main title. So there are actually multiple alternate takes in there, though you have to be somewhat careful because the original main title that was used in the film is actually an edit of more than one take put together.

Technically Williams did rerecord for TLJ, though for whatever reason it was not ultimately used. Hopefully that’s not the case next time.

He did? That is interesting. Where did you read that he did rerecord the main title? Too bad it can’t be accessed anywhere.

Rian Johnson has stated it on quite a few occasions. He even posted a video on his instagram of Williams conducting it. So… technically there is an accessible recording of it, but it was recorded with an iPhone, so not exactly usable.

So total, that gives you:

  1. Alternate Take from A New Hope Complete Score album
  2. The Hollywood Sound
  3. The Boston Pops performance
  4. Greenaway’s Life in Music
  5. McNeely’s main title
  6. Gerhardt’s main title

To be honest, I’m retreating from the alternate ANH take myself, for a few reasons. But the others are good, and I think there are a least a couple other good ones somewhere out there, if I’m remembering correctly.

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#1227025
Topic
<em>Star Wars: The Clone Wars</em> To Return With New Episodes
Time

Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

Tobar said:

They had two whole seasons recorded before it was cancelled.

What do you mean by recorded? Because if you mean what I think, I find that hard to believe.

Voice recording. Dee Bradley Baker has come out and said as much.

I somehow doubt very much that that’s actually true.

The Lost Missions were 13 episodes long. They’ve publicly shown an additional eight episodes in rough animatic form, comprised of two arcs, the second of which was the season 7 opener. As well as a glimpses of fully voiced scenes from two other arcs that were four episodes long each.

Well okay, I thought you had meant two seasons recorded in addition to all that they’ve already released. Even still, the suggestion that the dialogue recordings (and thus scripts) for the entirety of two seasons were all completely done seems somewhat unlikely to me. At least some of those episodes were probably still in progress when they were cancelled.