DominicCobb

Anakin Starkiller said:

bromeo said:

I’ve never been that interested in TCW or Rebels, but I could easily imagine myself jumping in if there were movie edits of the shows. Does anyone know if there’s someone in our midst who is / has been juggling with this kind of an idea? A story arc in a single movie or two with all the filler cut out? To me, that would probably be the most enjoyable way of watching (or just look up all the filler episodes and skip them).

I always watch filler because one man’s trash is another man’s treasure, so I think I should see everything for myself to form my own opinion. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

Rebels literally took the most commonly cited “filler” episode and made it a crucial element of its finale’s climax. So yeah sometimes it can be tricky. I will say though due to TCW’s non-serialized/episodic-arc nature, combined with the rotating cast, you can pretty easily skip around with that show.

Been thinking crawls recently.

Here’s where I’m at with TFA (a tricky one):

Luke Skywalker has vanished. Without the Jedi, the mysterious FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker has been destroyed.

Failing to convince the complacent New Republic of this growing threat, General Leia Organa hastens to form a brave RESISTANCE to reignite the fight against the dark side.

Desperate for her brother’s help, Leia has sent her most trusted pilot on a daring mission to Jakku, where a clue has been discovered to Luke’s whereabouts….

I figure my use of “the dark side” is probably controversial but I like what it adds (I’m also potentially planning adding references to the force in other crawls). The alternative is probably something like “the fight against the forces of darkness/evil.”

The other thing that might be reworkable is I remember RL suggesting phrasing to the effect of the New Republic doesn’t want to start another war. I’m kinda weighing whether I like that or the complacency angle better.

Here’s my TLJ crawl:

Chaos reigns. Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys the merciless legions of the FIRST ORDER to seize military control of the galaxy.

With the remaining Republic forces fearful to face this rising tyranny, only General Leia Organa’s band of RESISTANCE fighters stand to fight, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the cause.

But the Resistance has been exposed. As the First Order speeds toward the rebel base, the brave heroes mount a desperate escape….

Wasn’t sure if I wanted to change this one at all at first but talking with RL a few months ago landed me here, basically just the original with some slight nudges. Maybe a little on the wordy side but at the moment I like it.

dahmage said:

DominicCobb said:

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Yes, Palpatine bring back is a little lazy/fan-servicey, but him back won’t inherently make the story of TROS not “original” (an overrated concept to begin with). We don’t even know what him being back means or how he’ll factor in.

Yes. maybe we can save our soapbox speeches for after the actual movie is released.

But then maybe some of the exaggerated cynicism will no longer apply!

Though I guess that’s never stopped anyone before.

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Yes, Palpatine bring back is a little lazy/fan-servicey, but him back won’t inherently make the story of TROS not “original” (an overrated concept to begin with). We don’t even know what him being back means or how he’ll factor in.

I’m one to talk, I know, but it’s better not to feed the troll.

Jesus man…

Darth Muffy said:

DominicCobb said:

JJ talked in an interview about how fun it was to work with Ian.

I must of missed that but bear in mind JJ has lyed in the past about his films take his Khan quote for example.

JJ lied in that case so as to not spoil a reveal. I can’t imagine a reason he would outright state he worked with an actor if that was not the case, and why everyone involved in the film would say he’s back if that’s not true. If anything it seems more like Ian is the one playing coy here, probably trying not to give anything away about the nature of his role.

JJ talked in an interview about how fun it was to work with Ian.

Just announced…

Looks like I’m going to finally go to my first celebration.

I watched the panel but I can’t say it got me that excited. Nothing in the trailer really gave me anything I couldn’t have imagined immediately upon hearing the game’s premise. Would have preferred to see some gameplay. Hopefully it’s good, because I’m definitely a little hungry for SW video game content.

captainsolo said:

I will admit I found Solo the least offensive Disney release to a hardcore SW fan,

…sure

dahmage said:

I just hope we all keep our theorizing in check (or at least acknowledge that we are probably wrong, despite the fun of it), as fan theories are almost always wrong and I would hate for us to ruin our enjoyment of the movie we will eventually get.

That said I’m looking forward to this!

Yes always I good thing to keep in mind.

It’s really cool that we’re finally getting SW TV, and seeing that model work is awesome. I just hope they keep the promise of making this truly a western (whereas the two spin-offs films so far have promised other genres but only done so halfheartedly).

ChainsawAsh said:

Annoyed that 4 of the 12 episodes are ones we’ve already seen before (they finished the Bad Batch story reels). Apparently they only got enough money for 8 new episodes, but used some of it to finish those 4 too, or something like that.

I kinda figured the majority of it would be finished story reel stuff so I’m actually kinda excited we’ll get that much new stuff. The way I see it, anything new is more than we thought we’d get even just a year ago.

If they were gonna make 1/3 of the new season stuff we’ve already gotten, it should’ve been Son of Dathomir, which is a pretty important bridge from The Lawless to Siege of Mandalore, and is only available as a hard to find graphic novel.

It makes sense though why not. If they’re going to do a story they’ve already told, it makes sense it would be one that they’ve already put work into. Whereas Son of Dathomir would be a story they’ve already told plus cost as much as completely new episodes.

RogueLeader said:

I’ve seen a few people say they don’t like The Rise of Skywalker as the title. My friends don’t, and I’ll admit I didn’t like it at first either (I was holding out hope for Balance of the Force)

If we’re talking about holding out hope for a different title, I’m going to have to wait for the movie to prove to me that my suggested title “Legacy of the Skywalkers” isn’t better.

Hal 9000 said:

With the 2004 release of ESB adding a line of dialogue to Palpatine and TLJ’s “Death Star tech,” the only film (in their current official presentations) NOT to invoke the Death Star in some way is The Phantom Menace. 😦

Even then, the film features conscious evocation of the Death Star attack with the assault on the droid control ship.

RogueLeader said:

I’ve also been hoping they wouldn’t resort to a greater evil trope that they have to unite in order to take down. To me, Kylo Ren and his followers should be treated as the bad guys, but through the posutive actions of the good guys they are able to find a path to peace with their enemy rather than by just destroying them.

But, there’s so little information that we are doomed to get false expectations or blow things out of proportion until we see the movie. I’m just gonna keep an open mind that they can make the Emperor’s return work and make sense within the story, and maybe it’ll provide some more context with how Snoke fit into this picture. I didn’t see anyone mention how the Emperor’s motif played in TLJ when Snoke threw Rey into the air. Initially I just thought it was a callback but maybe that will carry more importance in retrospect.

At this point, the Emperor might be playing a bigger or smaller role than we are expecting right now. So the best thing is to keep an open mind and imagine how either option could work for you and the story.

Ultimately, though I’m definitely more on the negative side, I am with you as usual. At the end of the day it will all depend on how it plays out.

snooker said:

There was the Sidious namedrop in TLJ, but idk if that really counts.

I wouldn’t say so, considering the context. Closest thing in my mind was playing the Emperor’s theme while Rey got tortured, but even that doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

joefavs said:

Kennedy says they were always working towards Palpatine in IX, even though they didn’t always know exactly how they were going to get there.

https://twitter.com/djkevlar/status/1116837650520997888?s=21

I mean, if that is true (which is possible), why no hints at the very least in TFA and TLJ? Obviously JJ and Rian were given free reign which I appreciate, but small hints, that’s not the kind of thing that would go against that.

joefavs said:

Here’s the article I’ve been trying to remember ever since Palpy turned up yesterday. It’s got to have something to do with this, right? https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Contingency

Yeah this is what I’m talking about. Palpatine and his contingency plan has been such a prominent part of the new canon that it makes me think a return has been a potential for awhile.

MalàStrana said:

Might refer to a family…

(just saying: so far Shmi, Anakin, Leia, Luke, Ben… family you can extend to Padmé, Owen, Beru…)

(it is time… for the Skywalker Saga to end)

Yeah I mean, it would be a surprise if it was referring to an individual honestly. What individual? More obviously the family and their legacy.

Anakin Starkiller said:

The saga titles haven’t sounded Star Warsy to me since The Force Awakens, and it’s only by chance they picked that one. The Last Jedi is derivative of Return of the Jedi,

Is it though?

and The Rise of Skywalker refers to an individual.

Does it though?

Tobar said:

DominicCobb said:

Honestly the whole idea is really nagging at me. I have so many thoughts about it going through my head. Like how long have they planned this? You would think they just came up with it now, but it ties in very, very well with a lot of the expanded material stuff in the last few years. It actually sounds to me like something George might’ve come up with in his treatments. But then, if they had it plannned, why are there no hints at it in either TFA or TLJ?

You should know by now they’ve been winging it the whole time. Here’s JJ talking about just that:

JJ Abrams said:

But without getting in the weeds on episode eight, that was a story that Rian wrote and was telling based on seven before we met. So he was taking the thing in another direction. So we also had to respond to Episode VIII. So our movie was not just following what we had started, it was following what we had started and then had been advanced by someone else…the lack of a complete structure for this thing, given the way it was being run was an enormous challenge…I feel like we might’ve done it. Like, I actually feel like this crazy challenge that could have been a wildly uncomfortable contortion of ideas, and a kind of shoving-in of answers and Band-Aids and bridges and things that would have felt messy. Strangely, we were sort of relentless and almost unbearably disciplined about the story and forcing ourselves to question and answer some fundamental things that at the beginning, I absolutely had no clue how we would begin to address.

I mean… obviously. I’ve already read that interview and anyway it’s not new information. I just mean it’s possible it’s an idea that’s been kicking around LFL as a possibility for awhile. JJ says there wasn’t a structure but that doesn’t means there wasn’t any idea about where things might go.

It certainly seems like they’ve been setting up the possibility in other things.

Like I said I wouldn’t be surprised if it was something in George’s treatments. I could see a concept image of Palpatine circa 2013 showing up in the Art of TROS book. But I would just as easily not be surprised if they just came up with it now, like I said before.

pleasehello said:

DominicCobb said:

I have to say if they’re legit bring Palpatine back to life, on the face of it that’s a pretty lame idea.

This.

But I mean the mere fact that they teased Palpatine in the trailer probably means that he won’t really be coming back to life or be playing that pivotal a role in the movie. Lucasfilm would never prematurely shoot that wad–so to speak.

See and I was thinking the opposite. If it was a small role, they would’ve kept it a surprise like Yoda. But I figure it must be important enough that they’ve revealed it so soon, because it must be a big part of the movie and the marketing campaign. It’s kinda weird watching interviews where they just feel free to talk about him being back. Doesn’t seem like they’d be doing that unless they had too, if you know what I mean.

Honestly the whole idea is really nagging at me. I have so many thoughts about it going through my head. Like how long have they planned this? You would think they just came up with it now, but it ties in very, very well with a lot of the expanded material stuff in the last few years. It actually sounds to me like something George might’ve come up with in his treatments. But then, if they had it plannned, why are there no hints at it in either TFA or TLJ?

OutboundFlight said:

I think Palpatine would be a great addition to Episode 9. They need to tie this all into one saga, and as it stands now Episodes 7 and 8 don’t make much sense in the grand scheme of things.

Personally I think it’s overly simplistic. The ST thus far has been telling in my mind a much more compelling story about what happens after you beat the big bad, rounding out the saga with ruminations on legacy. What happens when you destroy the sith but you realize that the dark side will always exist in some way? Simply bringing back the old big bad or having a new one is not as interesting or dramatically daring as simply asking what will these characters do in the absence of one? You know? Will Ben do the right thing anyway or will he take up that mantle himself? Where will the Skywalker legacy go now?

Bringing back Palpatine just feels like a lazy way of adding stakes and bringing things full circle. Meaning, there are other ways they could do it, but this is the easy, fan-service way I guess. Which doesn’t mean it’ll be bad but on some level it’s disappointing.

welp

dgraham414 said:

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/04/the-episode-ix-piece-of-the-star-wars-celebration-mural-has-leaked.html

pretty much confirms undoubtedly the remade Kylo mask

^Must have been an earlier version.

If you ask me I wish they revealed less haha.

I will say though I like Colbert but I don’t think he was a great host. Lot of missed opportunities for questions that wouldn’t be spoilers (instead he mostly kept doing the jokey “I’m going to ask you a question we all know you can’t answer”).

Unrelated, do we know all the filming locations for IX at this point?