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#1278983
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Can't be Bothered: justifying Rey's power vs Luke's
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It is kind of insane to me that people trump up Rey’s piloting ability when the film goes out of its way to show her inexperience. When she’s able to navigate through the star destroyer, we believe it because she literally knows it inside and out. Remember her intro scene? When she makes that incredible hairpin turn, in my mind that’s the film finally telling us “hey, she’s got pretty good instincts so… you know what that means.” In my mind when I first saw the movie I was like wow, it reminded me of Qui-Gon saying Anakin he had Jedi reflexes. It was the moment I realized she had the force.

It’s crazy to me how people can watch this and get so riled up. How dare this girl fly the Falcon better than Han! It’s a baffling conclusion to come to. It’s not what the film is saying at all. But that’s Star Wars fans these days I guess.

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#1278895
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Can't be Bothered: justifying Rey's power vs Luke's
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It’s probably always safe to assume that fans/audiences underestimate how much thought filmmakers put into their choices. Most don’t realize how long and intensive the process is. In the case of TFA, JJ was essentially writing that movie from the beginning of 2013 all the way through to the end of 2015 (plus being a fan he probably came in with a lot of prior thoughts about the nature of things in the universe).

This is not me saying you can’t complain about the choices that were made, but it’s unfair and innacurate to suggest that the choices were made thoughtlessly.

For me, if it’s a choice you don’t like, I think it’s interesting to consider why they might have made such a choice - typically it’s in service of something else that they believe is more important than the thing you dislike about it.

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#1278850
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Can't be Bothered: justifying Rey's power vs Luke's
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mfastx said:

DominicCobb said:

Luke’s best friend mentions he’s a good pilot? Not in the movie I watch.

Also, we don’t see Luke pilot a ship until the end of the movie, so it’s necessary to set it up so it doesn’t come out of nowhere. When Rey says she’s a pilot as they’re running towards the Falcon, we’re still learning who she is. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t take her at her word, and it would have been silly to mention so earlier (“That’s Teedo. He has no respect for anyone. But I’m Rey and I fly ships good”).

“Sir, Luke is the best bush pilot in the outer rim territories” is in the movie.

Nope

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#1278777
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Can't be Bothered: justifying Rey's power vs Luke's
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Luke’s best friend mentions he’s a good pilot? Not in the movie I watch.

Also, we don’t see Luke pilot a ship until the end of the movie, so it’s necessary to set it up so it doesn’t come out of nowhere. When Rey says she’s a pilot as they’re running towards the Falcon, we’re still learning who she is. There’s no reason why we shouldn’t take her at her word, and it would have been silly to mention so earlier (“That’s Teedo. He has no respect for anyone. But I’m Rey and I fly ships good”).

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#1278383
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Fang Zei said:

Mocata said:

Because if they include things to make it one whole “Saga” with explicit links to the PT and the SW Story films it’s unlikely they want any weird stray threads lying around. It’s always been a Special Edition. It’s always been one interconnected series. George Lucas was a genius and this was all part of his original vision. Solo and Rogue One were smooth productions. It’s all one nice brand friendly package and all remnants of the old versions will be swept away.

But, again, what exactly is “three discs per film” supposed to mean other than that one of those discs is gonna be the unaltered version?

I mean, if Lucasfilm just considers it “bonus content” anyway…

Easy:
Disc 1: 4K
Disc 2: Blu-Ray
Disc 3: DVD

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#1278341
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Can't be Bothered: justifying Rey's power vs Luke's
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DougieP said:

screams in the void said:

to be fair , the film makers actually acknowledge in The Last Jedi that Rey’s powers are not the norm . Snoke says to Kylo , "you were unbalanced , bested by a girl who never held a lightsaber "!

The film makers do but, more importantly, the characters within the film don’t. For example Yoda trained jedi for years, including Luke. Very difficult task but Rey doesn’t need any at all. Yet Yoda doesn’t say “Amazing this is. Need to watch her we do. This much power, pull her to the dark side it can” or anything like that at all. No one bats an eye as if this is the norm.

Have you seen the film?

JEDIT: I’m sorry, it occurred to me the line I’m thinking of is in the trailer as well

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#1278339
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Love long winded posts like that RL, gives me a lot to chew on and think about. I’ll say, no matter what, the people who think the victories of ROTJ were shat on will think that no matter how you frame the crawl. You’re either okay with there being more after the happy ending, or not. I really like the idea of star destroyers jumping away in ROTJ and I’d love to see that. When it comes to IX, I’m not sure how it’ll go, and I like your thought. I’ll say personally I’ll be pretty annoyed if it’s an ROTJ happy ending redux “but we really mean it this time” sort of thing. If they’re properly concluding the story they’ve been telling thus far in the ST, there’ll be a big victory, but it’ll be understood that the war in the general sense (if not the specific sense) will never be truly over, but that’s okay because they have what it takes to keep fighting.

I like your ROTJ crawl a lot. I personally have a crazy notion to state the Luke is trying to bring balance to the force. But I don’t know if I can fit it.

As for the red star destroyer, you could probably just add a couple red stripes a la the FO special forces tie fighters, which would be a lot easier to accomplish.

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#1278226
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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It’s not so much specific explanations I’m against, it’s more the trying to cram as much in as possible. But also then yes, once you’ve gotten down to a couple different phrasings you can use, ultimately what should make the decision is which is most relevant to the film at hand. For instance, I like the idea of framing the FO as having a spy network (connects nicely to ANH), but if the spies are only relevant to the New Republic side of things (which is a very small aspect of the movie), does it make sense to talk about them and how they’re spreading misinformation or whatever? You know what I mean? It’s cool lore but it doesn’t really apply to the movie. Same would go for a crawl that tries to explain potential war crime investigations, wealthy benefactors, etc. There are certainly areas though where a little could suggest a lot. It’s not worth taking up space explaining how some NR members are loyal to the FO (in my opinion), but you could potential suggest something like that with phrasing as simple as “the fractured New Republic” or “the divided New Republic.”

This is where the struggle for me is between ‘don’t want to start another war’ and ‘complacency,’ which I think are the best options. If you’re watching the episodes in order, you definitely do need an explanation for why the NR has allowed the FO to rise. But the film ultimately is not about the NR, so whatever you say about them needs some relevance beyond the background table setting. I like ‘not wanting to start another war’ because it is easily understandable and you can also intuitively map that kind of thinking on to, say, Han Solo. But the phrasing also feels very generationally specific. Rey and Finn and co. never fought a war, so ‘learning when you need to start another war’ seems like a weird thing for them to overcome. On the other hand ‘complacency’ is the kind of pervasive struggle that is relevant to all. You could track of the theme of recognizing and overcoming complacency is relevant to a lot of the characters in the film.

What I really want to accomplish is a crawl that pairs well with Maz’s monologue in the middle of her film. In my mind that’s kind of the thesis statement for the necessity of the trilogy. To paraphrase, through the ages there have always been threats like the FO, and there always will be, and the only thing you can do is not to ignore it but to fight it. A lot of people complain that TFA ‘reverses the victory’ of ROTJ, but I think there’s a pretty mature message here that no victory is forever, and you can’t forget that and let it get you down. Since the crawl is explaining why the Empire is back in the expositional sense, in my mind it should also explain why it’s back in the emotional/thematic sense as well (if it can). I don’t know if the crawl I have right now is the best way to do it. I think at one point I even had the phrase “failing to convince the New Republic that their time of peace has inevitably ended…” But anyway just trying to explain where I’m coming from, for me I think the best TFA crawl would accomplish more than just expositional filling in the blanks.

Semi-related, do you have a crawl for ROTJ?

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#1278199
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I think it’s pretty safe to assume that there was a lot developed about the political situation in TFA that was probably culled a bit when it came time to write the screenplay, and then finally effectively cut out entirely during editing. In JJ’s quest for fast-paced simplicity he basically just made it so people who weren’t paying attention could go “oh right rebels vs. empire,” without being confused or bored by the political specifics (ala TPM). With Rian, we’ll never known what he would’ve done without the set up, but as with everything he just followed JJ’s lead and kept the details of political situation to a minimum.

Now when it comes to rewriting the crawl, there’s certainly room to expand upon JJ’s uber-simplified version. But I think we should keep in mind not adding information that isn’t really relevant to the film (just to satisfy personal desire for lore).

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#1278186
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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SilverWook said:

DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

Can we please take such questions to the spoiler thread? Some people are avoiding the trailer you know!

https://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/New-plot-spoiler-policy-please-read/id/16764

Work, concerning the post you edited, putting “REDACTED” in place doesn’t hide anything that wouldn’t be glaringly obvious from the context of the rest of the post.

Fixed. 😉

And who the heck is Work?

You’ll have to ask my autocorrect. Fixed

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#1278182
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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SilverWook said:

Can we please take such questions to the spoiler thread? Some people are avoiding the trailer you know!

https://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/New-plot-spoiler-policy-please-read/id/16764

Wook, concerning the post you edited, putting “REDACTED” in place doesn’t hide anything that wouldn’t be glaringly obvious from the context of the rest of the post.

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#1278108
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Anakin Starkiller said:

The other thing that might be reworkable is I remember RL suggesting phrasing to the effect of the New Republic doesn’t want to start another war. I’m kinda weighing whether I like that or the complacency angle better.

Don’t know who RL is, but not wanting another war is definitely more interesting than complacency, as that would be a retread of how the previous Republic fell.

RL is Rogue Leader.

Hadn’t thought of that. But I don’t know if it’s necessarily true, you could argue that the Jedi fell because they were complacent but the Republic willingly became the Empire. Almost the opposite issue really, where they were too worried about the threats of the Jedi and Separatists.

Either way for me what’s important isn’t whether it’s a “retread” or not. Properly setting the NR’s headspace is important because it will also reflect on the headspace of the galaxy at large (and the main characters within it). I lean towards complacency because the struggle for the characters in this film is to move beyond the daily routine they’re comfortable with and do the hard thing which is the right thing - standing to fight.

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#1278077
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Can't be Bothered: justifying Rey's power vs Luke's
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No one has ever force grabbed a saber out of someone’s hand in any of these movies. You seem to think about these things in terms of logical technical rules of how things should literally work - like a video game. But for me movies are not video games. The way I look at it is that plot and technical abilities are simply in service to the story and characters, not the other way around.

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#1278071
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Very interesting. I like your TFA crawl, but you might be pushing it in terms of how many words you’re cramming in there. The other thing that personally doesn’t work for me is your framing of Leia “proving that diplomacy is not an option.” I get what you mean, but the wording makes it seem like she’s a warmonger or something, when the Resistance is essentially a defensive force.

I like your TLJ crawl as well, but as a small note I think the way you’ve worded the second sentence would make it confusing who “their” refers to in “their leadership.” The idea of invoking a goal of unity is a really interesting one that I like a lot, and would add another layer to the throne room sequence (amongst other things). Personally, however, I still like the “spark of hope” phrase.

As for the “chaos reigns,” I still stand by that there isn’t really a problem with “The FIRST ORDER reigns” (you used it yourself!), but looking back at our conversation, I do like the flavor that “chaos reigns” brings.

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#1277998
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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If Palpatine is a small role as some sort of Bane-like spirit, but his character has an ethereal effect on the film and story and characters as a whole - or something along those lines - I probably wouldn’t have much to complain about. There’s likely a decent way to involve the character and his lasting impact (and bring the saga “full circle”) without cheesily bringing him back to life and forcing him into a literal/physical big bad role.